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Post by Earl Purple on Apr 16, 2023 12:02:02 GMT 1
This thread is about the upcoming "Instrumental Idol". The format will be 8 rounds of users submitting songs by PM (all in advance), that fit into specific category. One overriding rule in every round is that the track must be instrumental, which means no vocals with words. Vocoder and humming and chanting of non-words is ok. In general, the rounds are being divided as follows: 1. Classical. This refers to any instrumental composed before 1900 regardless of its form. If it is part of a works like a symphony then just one movement. You must pick a youtube video of this work being performed. Should be less than 7 minutes long. All the other rounds other than round 8 are restricted to music composed 1900 or later. 2. Modern orchestral music. This should include a string-section and be composed after 1900. Note: there are some composers whose works crossed over 1900 and it would be acceptable for them to appear in both these rounds with earlier and then later works, should they be entered. 3. Wind instruments. That is the lead instrument: woodwind instruments (e.g. clarinet, saxophone) and brass instruments, also included are bagpipes and pan-pipes. 4. Guitars or any similar instrument that is plucked (e.g. banjo, ukulele). Electric guitar is permitted. 5. Piano. This should be the primary instrument. 6. Synthesizers or organ based music. 7. Dance-orientated music. You can make of that what you will. 8. Anything goes (that is instrumental). This might fit into one of the above categories, or it might be something that fails all of them (not sure what that would be, actually, I've covered pretty much everything up there) The general rule for duplicates will be: - For round 1, the same piece is a duplicate even if you select a different performer. - You will select your priority for each round, 1 to 8 with 1 being your higher priority. - If two select a duplicate, the one with the higher priority gets it. But the Anything Goes round always loses out to something entered in a different round. - Instrumental covers of vocal songs are allowed. So you can check out the panpipes covers album from around 1995 or whatever year it was and pick something from it for round 3 if you want. - Only two tracks have been chosen for exclusion: "Apache" and "Green Onions". I'm open to questions and possibly widening one of the rounds to allow in something I missed. Signed up so far: greendemonDaveWhitneyfanoSmurfieMic1812ManicKangarookrescendoTheThornesmokeybPlease send initial entries by 9pm on Tuesday 23 May and be prepared in the 2 days that follow with substitutes if you have to change something due to duplication or ineligibility. If I'm able I will get the first round up by Thursday 25 May.
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Post by Smurfie on Apr 16, 2023 12:13:33 GMT 1
Is the seven minute rule applicable to all rounds, or just round one? I had one shortlisted that clocks in over that time for round 2.
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Post by Whitneyfan on Apr 16, 2023 13:35:56 GMT 1
I thought I was going to struggle to come up with a song for each round, but I think I'm almost ready to go!
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Post by Earl Purple on Apr 16, 2023 14:08:10 GMT 1
The 7 minute rule is only for round 1. You could play a very long classical piece from before 1900 in round 8 if you want.
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Post by Smurfie on Apr 16, 2023 14:16:25 GMT 1
Thanks! That’s my choices made then.
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Post by TheThorne on Apr 16, 2023 15:08:25 GMT 1
Instrumental covers of vocal songs are allowed
This has messed me up a bit, I have being picking original songs by the artists but they probably stand no chance against Haven favourites played on a kazoo or something, might need to reshuffle a bit
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Post by Smurfie on Apr 16, 2023 15:18:31 GMT 1
I would hope the Haven voters would see through a nose flute or recorder version of Call Me or Don’t You Want Me.
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Post by greendemon on Apr 16, 2023 16:04:57 GMT 1
Anything on a kazoo is going to get nul points from me irrespective of what it is.
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Post by Pablo on Apr 17, 2023 0:11:30 GMT 1
As much as I want to participate, I can't commit the time to play 8 rounds.
However just to comment - it looks like the rounds are based on the primary instruments of the track rather than the type of instrumental it is. So wouldn't it make sense to merge rounds 6 and 7 and make a "electronic instrument" round?
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Post by Earl Purple on Apr 17, 2023 8:00:59 GMT 1
Dance music isn't necessarily electronic / synth based. In particular there is much drum-based dance music like Samba. There is also a lot of synth or organ based music that isn't dance music.
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Post by Razzle Dazzle on Apr 17, 2023 12:06:20 GMT 1
1. Classical. This refers to any instrumental composed before 1900 regardless of its form. If it is part of a works like a symphony then just one movement. You must pick a youtube video of this work being performed. Should be less than 7 minutes long. Does this mean for example we can select a London Philharmonic Orchestra version of a Gustav Mahler classic because it is under 7 minutes and composed before 1900? That's my only question, i have 3 songs for every other round
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Post by Earl Purple on Apr 17, 2023 12:25:22 GMT 1
1. Classical. This refers to any instrumental composed before 1900 regardless of its form. If it is part of a works like a symphony then just one movement. You must pick a youtube video of this work being performed. Should be less than 7 minutes long. Does this mean for example we can select a London Philharmonic Orchestra version of a Gustav Mahler classic because it is under 7 minutes and composed before 1900? That's my only question, i have 3 songs for every other round Yes. The definition of round 1 is as stated, not what Radio 3 would necessarily call "classical". I'm not sure how I'd call something based on classical but a clear change to the way the composer wrote it, e.g. that "A Fifth Of Beethoven" interpretation by Walter Murphy. I suppose it should qualify for round 1 rather than round 2 and certainly would qualify for round 8. For simplicity "Hooked On Classics" and similar medleys are permitted in round 8 but not any other round.
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Post by Razzle Dazzle on Apr 17, 2023 13:04:49 GMT 1
ok, cool, i have a list complete then
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Post by Mic1812 on Apr 17, 2023 18:39:26 GMT 1
Ohhhh was looking forward to a tv theme round.
These catorgories have thrown me a bit.
Ill put me thinking cap on.
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Post by Earl Purple on Apr 17, 2023 18:44:21 GMT 1
We had a TV theme round in Pot Pourri.
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Post by greendemon on Apr 19, 2023 8:35:42 GMT 1
When exactly is this starting please Earl Purple? My plan was to put the LV thread up either tonight after Havenvision results or by Friday at the latest.
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Post by Earl Purple on Apr 19, 2023 16:15:50 GMT 1
I want to finish by 6 July so 8 weeks before that is 11 May so that would be the planned start date which gives you 3 weeks, one now for entering songs and 2 weeks for us to vote on them
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Post by Dave on Apr 19, 2023 19:12:37 GMT 1
I'll play if I can find music that that can fit into all the specific categories. That might be a headache for me and I may get a few rejected along the way. Apart from the 2 tracks mentioned above, is there nothing that is excluded because it has been in a previous contest ?
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Post by Earl Purple on Apr 19, 2023 20:23:56 GMT 1
There was previously an Instruvision but that was restricted to more obscure music, so even the one that won may not do so well if it's up against bigger artists and hits.
So no restrictions other than the two I mentioned.
I'm quite surprised if anyone thinks they can't find anything that fits into a specific category.
I'd rather avoid naming specific artists, but there were a lot of instrumental hits around the late 50s and early 60s, including band leaders with orchestras, some famous players of wind instruments, many guitar-based songs and a few piano players. There was more synth-based music around in the late 70s.
There was, of course, also instrumental music from the first half of the 20th century.
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Post by TheThorne on Apr 20, 2023 9:04:58 GMT 1
It’s not about finding stuff, it’s about finding stuff you like. It is no fun to just enter songs that fit a brief if you don’t care much for them yourself.
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