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Post by vastar iner on Jul 22, 2011 21:24:16 GMT 1
just realised Crazy For You hit #2 twice in two different chart runs (here in the mid 80s and then again in 91)... is that a record??? has it happened more times??? (a sorta 'bad luck' record)
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Post by borneoman on Jul 22, 2011 21:54:43 GMT 1
depends if you count different covers of the same song- "The Loco-motion" for example hit No 2 for different singers in different decades meant same person, like in the Madonna case
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Post by evansabove on Jul 22, 2011 21:57:04 GMT 1
depends if you count different covers of the same song- "The Loco-motion" for example hit No 2 for different singers in different decades meant same person, like in the Madonna case vas tariner has pointed out Bobby Goldsboro's Honey as one example. Not sure how many more there would be
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Post by borneoman on Jul 22, 2011 22:09:41 GMT 1
^oh missed that... just checked, never heard the guy or song before... another thing I realized is how differently the singles from Madonna's True Blue charted in the UK vs. the US. Apart from Papa Don't Preach, which was #1 on both sides... in the US, Live to Tell and Open Your Heart hit #1 (but #2 and #4 in the UK), while in the UK it was True Blue and La Isla Bonita that hit #1 (but #3 & 4 in the US)
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Post by evansabove on Jul 22, 2011 22:28:32 GMT 1
Yes she got 5 #1s off that album one side of the Atlantic or the other
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Post by vastar iner on Jul 22, 2011 22:57:11 GMT 1
^oh missed that... just checked, never heard the guy or song before... It was a huge hit in the States in 1968. I'm not sure of the timelines here, but when Tessa Wyatt left him for Richard O'Sullivan, Tony Blackburn played "Honey" incessantly on his shows. Did that precipitate the re-issue, or did the re-issue precipitate that, or does the time just not match?
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Post by TheThorne on Jul 23, 2011 7:07:01 GMT 1
'Live To Tell' is my favourite Madonna song mostly because 1986 is the year I seriously got into following the charts and a lot of songs have special memories for me but it has gorgeous production and her voice has rarely been better.
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Post by borneoman on Jul 23, 2011 9:42:34 GMT 1
Tori Amos did a fantastic cover of Live to Tell on tour a few years back in a concert that I was lucky to attend, still get goosebumps everytime I listen to it...
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Post by evansabove on Jul 23, 2011 12:01:16 GMT 1
Tori Amos cover versions are so fab I wish we could have a whole album of them. Smells Like Teen Spirit is awesome too
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Post by Gezza on Jul 23, 2011 12:32:20 GMT 1
17TH MAY- ON MY OWN - Michael McDonald & Patti LaBelle (3 weeks)Only the 4th No 2 of the year with no film/ TV connection, and it's an odd one. Both acts were 70s survivors, Michael McDonlad formerly of the Doobie Brothers and Patti LaBelle formerly of Labelle, and famously recorded this track without ever meeting. The song was orginally a Dionne Warwick song but was not included on her "Friends" album and was offered to LaBelle to record, which she did but was not happy with it insisting that it might sound better as a duet, enter McDonald. "On My Own" is a prime piece of Mid 80s balladry, but against all the odds this actually works. There is so much warmth and genuine emotion behind it that it seems that personal experience is poured into the track, indeed exactly because they never met it may have been easier to put that personal feeling into the song than if they had met face to face, their is no displaced emotion so to speak. It's not actually that far from similar ballad's like "Cherish" by Kool & The Gang, but unusually for the genre it's lyrics are actually quite defiant and strong rather than melancholy and forlorn "I've got to find out what was mine again/ My heart is saying that it's my time again/ And I have faith that I will shine again/ I have faith in me". Sure there is regret about the failure of the relationship, but there is realism here to, and it is perhaps this that makes the song work, it's not about a moment in a relationship, the rush of love at the beginning, the bitterness at the end, the routine in the middle, it's a song about the whole experience, it's about maturity that comes with age, not the teenage first love bang that so many songs describe. I've always liked the song (though again not a song I recall from the time) in the way that its charms are not immediately evident but well worth the delve....
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Post by vastar iner on Jul 23, 2011 12:38:49 GMT 1
The irony of a song called "On My Own" being a duet.
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Post by Gezza on Jul 23, 2011 12:50:36 GMT 1
7TH JUNE- HOLDING BACK THE YEARS- Simply Red (2 weeks)We all have them don't we? those moments when all you want to do is wallow in your own depression! Mick Hucknell put his on vinyl- now I know it's not very fashionable these days (or for the last 15 years in fact) to like Simply Red but I have to conceed he nails it on "Holding Back The Years". A song that bends and cracks with pain and disappointment of life that it's use on "Only Fools and Horses" three years later as Del is left alone after Rodney's wedding was actually one of the sincerest, sadest moments in TV history and, rather appropriately for 1986, was the perfect marriage of TV and music, a moment bathed in pathos. It's a little too bleak in places for comfort "I've wasted all my tears/ Wasted all those years/ And nothing had the chance to be good/ Nothing ever could" it's a view of life in the rear view mirror tinged with regret and failure- that's not to everyone's taste, but there is no doubt that Hucknell belts this out and no-one could for a second be under the impression that he doesn't believe 100% in the song and the meaning and that will become an increasing rarity as the 80s progress. In my view they would never top this record, the fact that it was never a No 1 song remains a crime in my eyes....
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Post by evansabove on Jul 23, 2011 13:42:26 GMT 1
On My Own in the past has been one of my songs to listen to when i have had a break-up in a relationship. It's a sad song but tempered with a sense of maturity and realism
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Post by vastar iner on Jul 23, 2011 13:48:47 GMT 1
7TH JUNE- HOLDING BACK THE YEARS- Simply Red (2 weeks)We all have them don't we? those moments when all you want to do is wallow in your own depression! Jeez, I hope I never get so depressed that I listen to Simply Red. One of the most appalling ghastly acts ever to pollute the charts. I remember being in a WH Smiths when they put one of their albums on and I HAD to walk out, it was having the same effect on me as putting silver paper on fillings. Literally painful...
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Post by Gezza on Jul 23, 2011 13:54:19 GMT 1
7TH JUNE- HOLDING BACK THE YEARS- Simply Red (2 weeks)We all have them don't we? those moments when all you want to do is wallow in your own depression! Jeez, I hope I never get so depressed that I listen to Simply Red. One of the most appalling ghastly acts ever to pollute the charts. I remember being in a WH Smiths when they put one of their albums on and I HAD to walk out, it was having the same effect on me as putting silver paper on fillings. Literally painful... A little harsh- I think they certainly went on too long and had they have called it a day back in the 90s I think they wouldn't be quite so reviled as they are now, mind you had Mick Hucknell not been such a k**b then maybe that wouldn't have happened either I stand by my review of HBTY though
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Post by borneoman on Jul 23, 2011 14:13:18 GMT 1
not crazy myself about Holding Back The Years or Simply Red in general, they have some songs that I do like (Stars, For Your Babies,...) I love sad depressing songs but not Simply Red
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Post by evansabove on Jul 23, 2011 14:22:37 GMT 1
I think it was Mick Hucknall's arrogance that put so many people off Simply Red. I love Fairground and that's about it as far as they are concerned
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Post by thehitparade on Jul 23, 2011 22:17:24 GMT 1
^oh missed that... just checked, never heard the guy or song before... It was a huge hit in the States in 1968. I'm not sure of the timelines here, but when Tessa Wyatt left him for Richard O'Sullivan, Tony Blackburn played "Honey" incessantly on his shows. Did that precipitate the re-issue, or did the re-issue precipitate that, or does the time just not match? The re-issue was in 1975, I think they split up in 1976 or so (Wikipedia says they divorced in 1977) so it's probably just coincidence. Reminds me that I was watching this the other day:
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Post by Earl Purple on Jul 23, 2011 23:18:41 GMT 1
"Holding Back The Years" was actually released in 1985 and flopped, after "Come To My Aid" had also flopped. There was something of a Simply Red revival and the album started selling in abundance. They re-released this single and it got to #2.
You cannot underestimate how big Simply Red were, or at least would become. Between this point and 10 years later they sold more albums in the UK than any other artist.
Of course as a result of all this Mick Hucknall became rich and famous, but he wasn't at first. in fact he was so poor that he covered "Money's Too Tight To Mention", which was a Valentine Brothers song. Simply Red did a few other cover versions too, in particular "If You Don't Know Me By Now". And of course they did many uptempo songs as well as ballads.
In my chart they had one #1 hit, that benig "For Your Babies".
"On My Own" was written by Burt Bacherach and Carole Bayer-Sager. Whilst Patti Labelle was pretty much just a revived 70s star, Michael McDonald doesn't actually appear to have ever stopped and he had another great single "Sweet Freedom" a couple of months later, which I think went top 20 but probably deserved even more.
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Post by Gezza on Jul 24, 2011 14:06:42 GMT 1
28TH JUNE- I CAN'T WAIT- Nu Shooz (1 week)Currently doing the rounds as a sample in Mann's "Buzzin" here's the original. The band were husband and wife team John Day & Valerie Day and has regional success with this track in 1985 around the Portland area but found fame on the US dance chart in early 1986 whereupon a full release was granted. It's not actually a song that I've over heard on the radio which may account for the reason that I actually don't mind this. It's very dated now but it does have a certain charm (after that Su Pollard records perhaps i'm now easily pleased), it may be that rather amateur TOTP performance which is kind of endearing but it's hard to dislike really. It's a hard song to review, one of those "It's ok, but no great shakes" kinda thing but it's a hard come down after "Holding Back the Years"...
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