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Post by ligerdog7 on May 6, 2013 2:04:48 GMT 1
i thought Diana Rigg aceeeeeeee yet last weeks 1 hmmmmmmmmmmmm hollaaaaaaaa nooo diggtyyy uppppppppppppppppppppppppppppp
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Post by S1m on May 6, 2013 11:45:23 GMT 1
God there are some ridiculous opinions in this thread. The series is still one of the most popular on TV and the BBC's cash cow. No way will it be ending soon or shoved aside in its 50th year. Just because you haven't enjoyed episodes doesn't mean the show needs to go. How selfish! I've loved this year and can't wait for more.
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Post by o on May 6, 2013 13:28:15 GMT 1
God there are some ridiculous opinions in this thread. The series is still one of the most popular on TV and the BBC's cash cow. No way will it be ending soon or shoved aside in its 50th year. Just because you haven't enjoyed episodes doesn't mean the show needs to go. How selfish! I've loved this year and can't wait for more. Only Martin said it might be having a break? I'd heard the viewing figures have not been great? I haven't enjoyed it, as much as I used to, but I haven't said it should stop. The episode we just had I didn't understand though, people were being dipped in red poison, but what happened to them, as the ones in the glass jars hadn't been dipped in the red stuff, and only the rejects ended up in the canal. I enjoyed seeing the characters from the Christmas special, but it was just generally poorly written and made no sense. How did the doctor and clara get better, they stood in a broom cupboard, flashing lights, all better.
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Post by S1m on May 6, 2013 14:21:12 GMT 1
Mic said that Moffat had "ruined dr who", Martin said he'd "killed a classic cult show" and said he wouldn't be surprised if "this series will be the last for quite awhile". I just find it to be ridiculous hyperbole. I wasn't meaning you Andy as you're generally more balanced in your views and not so hysterical as some can sound.
Viewing figures (for overnights, which is literally everyone watching it as live) have been down and these are the figures being reported by the press and mental fans championing the cancellation of the show on other forums, but the final consolidated figures are in line with previous years (including those who watch it recorded later that night or during the week. When you add in iPlayer views and BBC3 repeats, the show has not lost viewers at all). It still wins its time slot (when not up against say BGT), it's still in the BBC's top five shows along with EastEnders, The Voice, Countryfile etc and it has a healthy audience share of around a third of everyone watching TV at that time tuning in.
It just seems to me that at a time when we should be celebrating Doctor Who's achievements, we are getting less on screen (thanks to budget cuts and the frozen licence fee harming the BBC's spending) and the bits we're getting I have to constantly put up with 'fans' moaning about and calling for the axe. I'm not saying we should be thankful for what we have even if it's rubbish, but when I see people saying the show is dead or that episodes are the worst they've ever seen (which makes me question people's sanity and how many episodes they've seen!), it makes me angry.
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Post by S1m on May 6, 2013 14:26:09 GMT 1
God there are some ridiculous opinions in this thread. The series is still one of the most popular on TV and the BBC's cash cow. No way will it be ending soon or shoved aside in its 50th year. Just because you haven't enjoyed episodes doesn't mean the show needs to go. How selfish! I've loved this year and can't wait for more. Only Martin said it might be having a break? I'd heard the viewing figures have not been great? I haven't enjoyed it, as much as I used to, but I haven't said it should stop. The episode we just had I didn't understand though, people were being dipped in red poison, but what happened to them, as the ones in the glass jars hadn't been dipped in the red stuff, and only the rejects ended up in the canal. I enjoyed seeing the characters from the Christmas special, but it was just generally poorly written and made no sense. How did the doctor and clara get better, they stood in a broom cupboard, flashing lights, all better. I'll respond directly to you now regarding the episode's problems as you spell them out. I do wonder if people pay attention? The red poison was being used to preserve those people Mrs Gillyflower thought would be perfect candidates to survive the apocalypse, in line with her hardline views on moral decay. She was causing the apocalypse herself using the toxins from the leech. Her earlier experiments had caused her daughter's blindness. Those who survived the process were stored in the bell jars ready to awaken after the massacre. Those who failed the process turned red and hard and died. Made perfect sense as far as a mental villain's Victorian/alien plans go. To say it was poorly written based on you not following the plot is a tad harsh. Mark Gatiss is a fine writer, giving us great comedy, horror and mystery stories in many shows. This was a great hybrid for me. The undoing process involved the sonic screwdriver which as we know these days, is pretty much a magic wand (any sufficiently advanced technology appears to others as magic) and I'm glad we didn't get bogged down in an explanation as we needed the characters to be released and active again.
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Post by Roo. on May 6, 2013 15:41:37 GMT 1
I've found The Rings Of Akhaten the only mis-step so far this year, everything else has been a really nice blend of comedy and action, and there's also been a bit of extra focus on old-school horror elements especially in Hide and this week that I've really enjoyed.
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Post by o on May 6, 2013 17:16:16 GMT 1
Only Martin said it might be having a break? I'd heard the viewing figures have not been great? I haven't enjoyed it, as much as I used to, but I haven't said it should stop. The episode we just had I didn't understand though, people were being dipped in red poison, but what happened to them, as the ones in the glass jars hadn't been dipped in the red stuff, and only the rejects ended up in the canal. I enjoyed seeing the characters from the Christmas special, but it was just generally poorly written and made no sense. How did the doctor and clara get better, they stood in a broom cupboard, flashing lights, all better. I'll respond directly to you now regarding the episode's problems as you spell them out. I do wonder if people pay attention? The red poison was being used to preserve those people Mrs Gillyflower thought would be perfect candidates to survive the apocalypse, in line with her hardline views on moral decay. She was causing the apocalypse herself using the toxins from the leech. Her earlier experiments had caused her daughter's blindness. Those who survived the process were stored in the bell jars ready to awaken after the massacre. Those who failed the process turned red and hard and died. Made perfect sense as far as a mental villain's Victorian/alien plans go. To say it was poorly written based on you not following the plot is a tad harsh. Mark Gatiss is a fine writer, giving us great comedy, horror and mystery stories in many shows. This was a great hybrid for me. The undoing process involved the sonic screwdriver which as we know these days, is pretty much a magic wand (any sufficiently advanced technology appears to others as magic) and I'm glad we didn't get bogged down in an explanation as we needed the characters to be released and active again. Maybe I wasn't paying attention, but we saw the doctor getting dipped in the red stuff, and he was a reject, covered in red, we didn't see Clara get dipped in it and come out okay. I assumed that is what happened, but to me it wasn't made clear. I have enjoyed most series of Dr Who, but I've just found this one poor, anyway, Cybermen next.
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Post by S1m on May 6, 2013 17:51:42 GMT 1
I've found The Rings Of Akhaten the only mis-step so far this year, everything else has been a really nice blend of comedy and action, and there's also been a bit of extra focus on old-school horror elements especially in Hide and this week that I've really enjoyed. I suppose at least there are two of us enjoying it!
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Post by raliverpool on May 6, 2013 18:23:03 GMT 1
Forget opinions and look at some hard cold statistics:
The Doctor's Average (overnight) viewing figures (per "adventures"):
William Hartnell 8.34 million (31) Patrick Troughton 7.10m (27) Jon Pertwee 8.29m (25) Tom Baker 8.91m (43) Peter Davison 7.85m (21) Colin Baker 6.19m (10) Sylvestor McCoy 4.81 (12) Paul McGann 9.80m (1 = TV Movie) Christopher Eccleston 7.92m (10) David Tennant 8.33m (34) Matt Smith 7.98m (20) = first two series + Xmas Specials.
But so far the ratings of Series 7 have been:
Asylum of the Daleks – 6.4 million Dinosaurs on a Spaceship – 5.5 million A Town Called Mercy – 6.6 million The Power of Three – 5.5 million The Angels Take Manhattan - 5.9 million The Snowmen – 7.6 million The Bells of Saint John – 6.18 million The Rings of Akhaten - 5.5 million Cold War – 5.7 million Hide – 5.0 million Journey to the Centre of the TARDIS – 4.9 million The Crimson Horror – 4.61 million
Taking Matt Smith's average down to 7.12m (32); whilst Series 7 is showing a troubling downward curve (in stark contrast to The Voice).
Incidentally, The Crimson Horror was the lowest overnight rating for Doctor Who in its 21st Century reincarnation.
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Post by Roo. on May 6, 2013 19:34:32 GMT 1
Forget opinions and look at some hard cold statistics: The Bells of Saint John – 6.18 million The Rings of Akhaten - 5.5 million Cold War – 5.7 million Hide – 5.0 million They are just overnights. Once the time-shifts were added they rose to: The Bells of Saint John – 8.44 million The Rings of Akhaten - 7.45 million Cold War – 7.37 million Hide – 6.61 million Hardly terrifying really. Incidentally I didn't watch any of these episodes as they were shown, but all on iPlayer later in the evening once my fiance got back from work, but apparently the fact that we chose to watch it a few hours later means our viewing shouldn't count at all?
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Post by S1m on May 6, 2013 19:38:09 GMT 1
Forget opinions and look at some hard cold statistics: The Doctor's Average (overnight) viewing figures (per "adventures"): William Hartnell 8.34 million (31) Patrick Troughton 7.10m (27) Jon Pertwee 8.29m (25) Tom Baker 8.91m (43) Peter Davison 7.85m (21) Colin Baker 6.19m (10) Sylvestor McCoy 4.81 (12) Paul McGann 9.80m (1 = TV Movie) Christopher Eccleston 7.92m (10) David Tennant 8.33m (34) Matt Smith 7.98m (20) = first two series + Xmas Specials. But so far the ratings of Series 7 have been: Asylum of the Daleks – 6.4 million Dinosaurs on a Spaceship – 5.5 million A Town Called Mercy – 6.6 million The Power of Three – 5.5 million The Angels Take Manhattan - 5.9 million The Snowmen – 7.6 million The Bells of Saint John – 6.18 million The Rings of Akhaten - 5.5 million Cold War – 5.7 million Hide – 5.0 million Journey to the Centre of the TARDIS – 4.9 million The Crimson Horror – 4.61 million Taking Matt Smith's average down to 7.12m (32); whilst Series 7 is showing a troubling downward curve (in stark contrast to The Voice). Incidentally, The Crimson Horror was the lowest overnight rating for Doctor Who in its 21st Century reincarnation. Wrong. You can't compare the modern overnight figures with earlier ones as people had no option BUT to watch it live whereas now people can watch over a number of methods. FINAL figures are the only ones which count and should be used for all comparisons. Also, those Hartnell averages look suspect. In fact a lot of those early ones do. During the Troughton era, figures were desperately low into 1969 with cancellation looming. Again during the 80s. This week's episode is far from being the lowest ever viewed of the modern era. You have to go back to S2 for that.
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Post by raliverpool on May 6, 2013 20:12:33 GMT 1
Forget opinions and look at some hard cold statistics: The Doctor's Average (overnight) viewing figures (per "adventures"): William Hartnell 8.34 million (31) Patrick Troughton 7.10m (27) Jon Pertwee 8.29m (25) Tom Baker 8.91m (43) Peter Davison 7.85m (21) Colin Baker 6.19m (10) Sylvestor McCoy 4.81 (12) Paul McGann 9.80m (1 = TV Movie) Christopher Eccleston 7.92m (10) David Tennant 8.33m (34) Matt Smith 7.98m (20) = first two series + Xmas Specials. But so far the ratings of Series 7 have been: Asylum of the Daleks – 6.4 million Dinosaurs on a Spaceship – 5.5 million A Town Called Mercy – 6.6 million The Power of Three – 5.5 million The Angels Take Manhattan - 5.9 million The Snowmen – 7.6 million The Bells of Saint John – 6.18 million The Rings of Akhaten - 5.5 million Cold War – 5.7 million Hide – 5.0 million Journey to the Centre of the TARDIS – 4.9 million The Crimson Horror – 4.61 million Taking Matt Smith's average down to 7.12m (32); whilst Series 7 is showing a troubling downward curve (in stark contrast to The Voice). Incidentally, The Crimson Horror was the lowest overnight rating for Doctor Who in its 21st Century reincarnation. Wrong. As has been pointed out, you're comparing FINAL figures with overnights. This week's episode is far from being the lowest ever viewed. You have to go back to S2 for that. Nope. You are incorrect, the Who average figures are taken as Overnights; not consolidated (recordings) + iPlayer viewing figures, because it highlights how much Dr Who is an appointment to watch, as opposed to growing number of Dr Who fans who understandably believe the show is not as good as it was in the Tennant/RTD tenure, so they record it or watch it on the BBC iPlayer later rather than watch it on Saturday evening. Whilst the lowest rated episode of S2 (Who reboot) was The Satan Pit which had 5.19m overnight (6.08m consolidated/7.17m + iPlayer) which is 0.58m higher than The Crimson Horror managed.
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Post by S1m on May 6, 2013 21:16:21 GMT 1
To be fair, I edited my post straight away but you seem to have managed to quote the original.
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Post by smokeyb on May 6, 2013 21:39:54 GMT 1
I accept some recent episodes are maybe not as good as the previous series, but as a Who fan since the 1970's I still look forward to each new episode. There is a distinct lack of SciFi on terestial tv, not everyone has access to the syfy channel.Back in the 70/80's there were lots of scifi on tv, now there is nothing, Dr Who stands alone.I would much prefer to watch an average Dr Who episode than wall to wall reality tv, at least it stretches your imagination and makes you think, can't really say that about The Voice,the only time travel in that show is old former pop stars from Hearsay or Bucks fizz.EXTERMINATE.
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Post by Razzle Dazzle on May 6, 2013 22:48:33 GMT 1
i never watch live tv unless its football. people have busy lives and either record tv and watch it when they are free or watch the iplayer. bank holiday weekend, nice weather, who sits in watching dr who?
like it or not people are more flexible in how they watch tv
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Post by o on May 11, 2013 21:17:30 GMT 1
Now that was a better episode, we all enjoyed that. Did a quick recap of what I missed in last weeks episode, and noone else realise people were dipped in the red stuff and then jarred if they survived. Anyway, next week's looks good as well!
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Post by Roo. on May 11, 2013 21:31:25 GMT 1
I love Warwick Davis, he's just so cool.
The Doctor vs Cyberplanner thing was amazing, Matt Smith did incredibly with it.
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Post by Deleted on May 12, 2013 12:35:48 GMT 1
Okay episode with the Cyberman i thought. Bit silly in places though.
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Post by Deleted on May 13, 2013 10:38:34 GMT 1
www.digitalspy.co.uk/tv/s7/doctor-who/news/a480890/steven-moffat-on-doctor-who-future-series-8-definitely-confirmed.htmlSteven Moffat on 'Doctor Who' future: 'Series 8 definitely confirmed' Published Monday, May 13 2013, 10:23 BST | By Morgan Jeffery Source: digitalspy Doctor Who will "definitely" continue into an eighth series, showrunner Steven Moffat has said. The BBC sci-fi drama's head writer addressed confusion about the show's future at last night's (May 12) BAFTA Television Awards. "This is a thing that just seems to have slipped by... so can I say it very firmly - series eight is absolutely, definitely confirmed," Moffat said. "It is real and it's happening - it's [taking up] most of my time at the moment." Moffat added that he is unsure why some Doctor Who fans remain unclear about the show's fate. "I get people telling me [that series eight is] not really happening," he explained. "It really, definitely, honestly is!" Doctor Who's seventh series finale will air on BBC One this Saturday (May 18), with a special episode celebrating the programme's 50th anniversary to follow in November. Series eight - which has been confirmed to star current companion actress Jenna-Louise Coleman - will then follow 2013's Christmas special.
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Post by o on May 13, 2013 12:39:41 GMT 1
Just dont read the papers, then you wont see spoilers, simples.
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