Ron Atkinson - Burka Bomb Joke

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Ron Atkinson given formal warning for Burka Bomb Joke
www.dailystar.co.uk/tv/big-brother/334677/Big-Ron-Atkinson-s-burka-bomb-joke-storm

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I guess a leopard cant change his spots...

[Razzle Dazzle]

The loose women person got reprimanded by big brother for using the word n**ger but that never made the papers

[Drunkster]

She was quoting it as what Ron had said that ended his career, she didn't use it as a phrase of her own in a conversation.

[madmurray]

Once a racist.....

[Razzle Dazzle]

Aug 26, 2013 18:25:20 GMT 1 Drunkster said:

She was quoting it as what Ron had said that ended his career, she didn't use it as a phrase of her own in a conversation.

she could of said he used the "n word" but instead she got wrecked and said ni**er live on tv no matter what context, she got a warning from big brother because she is an idiot

and she didn't get the quote right anyway

[raliverpool]

Aug 26, 2013 19:34:08 GMT 1 Razzle Dazzle said:

Aug 26, 2013 18:25:20 GMT 1 Drunkster said:

She was quoting it as what Ron had said that ended his career, she didn't use it as a phrase of her own in a conversation.

she could of said he used the "n word" but instead she got wrecked and said ni**er live on tv no matter what context, she got a warning from big brother because she is an idiot

and she didn't get the quote right anyway

.. But she's a (former) journalist who used to write a weekly column in the Daily Express ... so of course the media are going to look after their own.

[ManicKangaroo]

Aug 26, 2013 19:34:08 GMT 1 Razzle Dazzle said:

Aug 26, 2013 18:25:20 GMT 1 Drunkster said:

She was quoting it as what Ron had said that ended his career, she didn't use it as a phrase of her own in a conversation.

she could of said he used the "n word" but instead she got wrecked and said ni**er live on tv no matter what context, she got a warning from big brother because she is an idiot

It wasn't live, C5 chose to show it and bleeped the word anyway however when they showed her receiving her warning Big Brother used the word unbleeped

[Razzle Dazzle]

And ron atkinson isnt a racist. He is misogynistic, politically incorrect and from the old school. He was one of the first managers to give black players a chance to play in the top english league when nobody else did. Hows he racist? Yes he used a racist word. Slap his wrist, but in all fairness desailly was fat and lazy and big ron is the kinda guy that uses a wide range of politically incorrect words. His actions are far from being racist. Its a bit rich for people to refer to him as "the racist".

[S1m]

Aug 26, 2013 20:40:29 GMT 1 Razzle Dazzle said:

And ron atkinson isnt a racist. He is misogynistic, politically incorrect and from the old school. He was one of the first managers to give black players a chance to play in the top english league when nobody else did. Hows he racist? Yes he used a racist word. Slap his wrist, but in all fairness desailly was fat and lazy and big ron is the kinda guy that uses a wide range of politically incorrect words. His actions are far from being racist. Its a bit rich for people to refer to him as "the racist".

To be honest Daz, I'm disappointed by this. If someone is lazy, it's ok to point that out. If you use a racial slur whilst doing it, it's racism. Being 'old school' or politically incorrect doesn't exempt you from being a racist and saying things which are technically acts of racism.

[o]

Exactly what I thought Sim, if you use racist terms, surely you're a racist whether you are 11 or 111.

[Razzle Dazzle]

Aug 28, 2013 11:16:51 GMT 1 S1m said:

Aug 26, 2013 20:40:29 GMT 1 Razzle Dazzle said:

And ron atkinson isnt a racist. He is misogynistic, politically incorrect and from the old school. He was one of the first managers to give black players a chance to play in the top english league when nobody else did. Hows he racist? Yes he used a racist word. Slap his wrist, but in all fairness desailly was fat and lazy and big ron is the kinda guy that uses a wide range of politically incorrect words. His actions are far from being racist. Its a bit rich for people to refer to him as "the racist".

To be honest Daz, I'm disappointed by this. If someone is lazy, it's ok to point that out. If you use a racial slur whilst doing it, it's racism. Being 'old school' or politically incorrect doesn't exempt you from being a racist and saying things which are technically acts of racism.

you obviously didnt understand my point then sim

how is being one of the first man to give equal rights to black players in a time when racism was rife in football and nobody else would the act of a racist man?

whilst i agree that using a racist term on tv is a sackable offence (which that daft bint from loose women repeated i might add) but that does not make him a racist in my opinion, my point was he probably calls a lesbian a dy*e and a gay guy a fa**ot and treats women like they are second class citizens, he might be a dick but he is not a racist, some people treat everyone with the same lack of respect.

if using a racist term makes you a racist then most of england are racists which makes most people having a dig at ron atkinson god damn hypocrites

i never said it wasn't wrong, and i never said i condone it, the fact i wasn't happy with the "N word" being repeated on tv in reference to it was in itself not right because it makes it "ok" to say it. i just have a difference of opinion, maybe im a racist aswel?

i think words are cheap and actions speak louder than words in every instance and if the things you do accept all races as one but you say a few un PC words then you are not racist

but if someone smiles and says hello to you and never says a racist term but every act they do was racist, they moved seats when you sat near them, they excluded you because of your race then which is really racist?

now decensatising racism by allowing things to slide like comments made live on tv is another matter entirely

[Razzle Dazzle]

does nobody else think its all become a bit panto? ohh look at him he is a racist, because he said a bad word, racist ron, that has a nice ring to it


or on a completely different subject ohh that guy had consensual sex with a 15 year old 50 year ago, he is a pedo!

etc etc

[S1m]

Aug 28, 2013 13:39:08 GMT 1 Razzle Dazzle said:

Aug 28, 2013 11:16:51 GMT 1 S1m said:

To be honest Daz, I'm disappointed by this. If someone is lazy, it's ok to point that out. If you use a racial slur whilst doing it, it's racism. Being 'old school' or politically incorrect doesn't exempt you from being a racist and saying things which are technically acts of racism.

you obviously didnt understand my point then sim

how is being one of the first man to give equal rights to black players in a time when racism was rife in football and nobody else would the act of a racist man?

whilst i agree that using a racist term on tv is a sackable offence (which that daft bint from loose women repeated i might add) but that does not make him a racist in my opinion, my point was he probably calls a lesbian a dy*e and a gay guy a fa**ot and treats women like they are second class citizens, he might be a dick but he is not a racist, some people treat everyone with the same lack of respect.

if using a racist term makes you a racist then most of england are racists which makes most people having a dig at ron atkinson god damn hypocrites

i never said it wasn't wrong, and i never said i condone it, the fact i wasn't happy with the "N word" being repeated on tv in reference to it was in itself not right because it makes it "ok" to say it. i just have a difference of opinion, maybe im a racist aswel?

i think words are cheap and actions speak louder than words in every instance and if the things you do accept all races as one but you say a few un PC words then you are not racist

but if someone smiles and says hello to you and never says a racist term but every act they do was racist, they moved seats when you sat near them, they excluded you because of your race then which is really racist?

now decensatising racism by allowing things to slide like comments made live on tv is another matter entirely

As a football manager he was picking the best players, some of whom happened to be black. He's not an idiot if he knows what works in a football squad. If he calls them niggers to their faces or behind their backs, he's still spouting racism, regardless of the rest. It's not like an all-or-nothing stance.

Also, just because he's also homophobic, sexist, abusive to other minorities etc, doesn't mean his racism is justified or cancelled out.

My grandfather grew up with some pretty racist views as those were the times he grew up with, but once he'd accepted my mum marrying my dad and times moved on, he would never dream of using such words in public or indded in private. The fact he accepted my parents' marriage would seem to equate Ron's selection of black players. If he then called my dad a nigger would that mean he wasn't racist, because he'd allowed one into his family?

Channel 5/Endemol knew exactly what to expect from Ron. He went on that show to prove he wasn't a racist some years ago when he tried to learn French or something and that just proved he was as bad as he ever was. Being old school doesn't give people a licence to do/say what they want and being tolerant of a minority but then spouting hateful language doesn't balance out.


Also, I have to pick you up on your "most of England are racist" bit. What the heck does that even mean?! Where I live and the people I mix with, I don't hear any sort of racism. Not even the casual sort some seem to be okay with.

[Razzle Dazzle]

Aug 28, 2013 13:56:00 GMT 1 S1m said:

Aug 28, 2013 13:39:08 GMT 1 Razzle Dazzle said:

you obviously didnt understand my point then sim

how is being one of the first man to give equal rights to black players in a time when racism was rife in football and nobody else would the act of a racist man?

whilst i agree that using a racist term on tv is a sackable offence (which that daft bint from loose women repeated i might add) but that does not make him a racist in my opinion, my point was he probably calls a lesbian a dy*e and a gay guy a fa**ot and treats women like they are second class citizens, he might be a dick but he is not a racist, some people treat everyone with the same lack of respect.

if using a racist term makes you a racist then most of england are racists which makes most people having a dig at ron atkinson god damn hypocrites

i never said it wasn't wrong, and i never said i condone it, the fact i wasn't happy with the "N word" being repeated on tv in reference to it was in itself not right because it makes it "ok" to say it. i just have a difference of opinion, maybe im a racist aswel?

i think words are cheap and actions speak louder than words in every instance and if the things you do accept all races as one but you say a few un PC words then you are not racist

but if someone smiles and says hello to you and never says a racist term but every act they do was racist, they moved seats when you sat near them, they excluded you because of your race then which is really racist?

now decensatising racism by allowing things to slide like comments made live on tv is another matter entirely

As a football manager he was picking the best players, some of whom happened to be black. He's not an idiot if he knows what works in a football squad. If he calls them niggers to their faces or behind their backs, he's still spouting racism, regardless of the rest. It's not like an all-or-nothing stance.

Also, just because he's also homophobic, sexist, abusive to other minorities etc, doesn't mean his racism is justified or cancelled out.

My grandfather grew up with some pretty racist views as those were the times he grew up with, but once he'd accepted my mum marrying my dad and times moved on, he would never dream of using such words in public or indded in private. The fact he accepted my parents' marriage would seem to equate Ron's selection of black players. If he then called my dad a nigger would that mean he wasn't racist, because he'd allowed one into his family?

Channel 5/Endemol knew exactly what to expect from Ron. He went on that show to prove he wasn't a racist some years ago when he tried to learn French or something and that just proved he was as bad as he ever was. Being old school doesn't give people a licence to do/say what they want and being tolerant of a minority but then spouting hateful language doesn't balance out.


Also, I have to pick you up on your "most of England are racist" bit. What the heck does that even mean?! Where I live and the people I mix with, I don't hear any sort of racism. Not even the casual sort some seem to be okay with.

you haven't seen or heard religious hate towards muslims? where do you live, the moon?

the news, twitter, yahoo, newspaper websites, yahoo its all full of it, you don't even need to leave your front door

the hate towards immigrants taking all our jobs or the government pitching them against us? no

the huge rise in support of UKIP?

then I live in a backward northern town where you cant go to a pub without a dozen people using racist language

or friends of friends racist rants on facebook, I cant block them quick enough

its creeping back into football at an alarming rate, eastern europe are decades behind us

and that is not even going into casual racism, jokes etc, try looking at sickipedia.org (a joke website) I often see people going on about and tell me theres not major problems

an old man that will never change his spots is the least of our worries, he is what you will find is a "scapegoat"

[Razzle Dazzle]

I think it proves how stupid he is going on a tv show that records your actions 24/7 to prove your not a racist and telling jokes about bloody burka bombers!

[S1m]

Aug 28, 2013 14:21:07 GMT 1 Razzle Dazzle said:

you haven't seen or heard religious hate towards muslims? where do you live, the moon?

the news, twitter, yahoo, newspaper websites, yahoo its all full of it, you don't even need to leave your front door

the hate towards immigrants taking all our jobs or the government pitching them against us? no

the huge rise in support of UKIP?

then I live in a backward northern town where you cant go to a pub without a dozen people using racist language

or friends of friends racist rants on facebook, I cant block them quick enough

its creeping back into football at an alarming rate, eastern europe are decades behind us

and that is not even going into casual racism, jokes etc, try looking at sickipedia.org (a joke website) I often see people going on about and tell me theres not major problems

an old man that will never change his spots is the least of our worries, he is what you will find is a "scapegoat"

To be fair, I don't tend to go in the sort of pubs where I would hear racist language. I might live a fairly middle class existence and have a good job, nice friends and live in a lovely area but growing up working class of mixed race and all the rest, I dealt with all that and got away from all the scum. I wouldn't tolerate it from one of my students who perhaps doesn't know better and is echoing a family member's view without understanding it and I certainly wouldn't tolerate it from an older relative either.

And yes, I'm aware that there's a rise in Islamophobia and have heard of people blocking friends/friends of friends, but certainly no one that I would associate with either online or in real life. I was talking about in real life, not online as I tend not to live my life online, it being a massively negative experience generally, magnifying the tiniest of things into all-consuming issues stoked and worsened by keyboard warriors who wouldn't dare say the things they say in public.

It's people like Ron and his apologists that continue the views that the young, ignorant generations lap up. He's not a scapegoat when he willingly signed up for the show. He wasn't tricked, he knows the format, he knows his own reputation and if he intended to change that, he was an idiot to begin with!

[Razzle Dazzle]

Aug 28, 2013 14:48:14 GMT 1 S1m said:

Aug 28, 2013 14:21:07 GMT 1 Razzle Dazzle said:

you haven't seen or heard religious hate towards muslims? where do you live, the moon?

the news, twitter, yahoo, newspaper websites, yahoo its all full of it, you don't even need to leave your front door

the hate towards immigrants taking all our jobs or the government pitching them against us? no

the huge rise in support of UKIP?

then I live in a backward northern town where you cant go to a pub without a dozen people using racist language

or friends of friends racist rants on facebook, I cant block them quick enough

its creeping back into football at an alarming rate, eastern europe are decades behind us

and that is not even going into casual racism, jokes etc, try looking at sickipedia.org (a joke website) I often see people going on about and tell me theres not major problems

an old man that will never change his spots is the least of our worries, he is what you will find is a "scapegoat"

To be fair, I don't tend to go in the sort of pubs where I would hear racist language. I might live a fairly middle class existence and have a good job, nice friends and live in a lovely area but growing up working class of mixed race and all the rest, I dealt with all that and got away from all the scum. I wouldn't tolerate it from one of my students who perhaps doesn't know better and is echoing a family member's view without understanding it and I certainly wouldn't tolerate it from an older relative either.

And yes, I'm aware that there's a rise in Islamophobia and have heard of people blocking friends/friends of friends, but certainly no one that I would associate with either online or in real life. I was talking about in real life, not online as I tend not to live my life online, it being a massively negative experience generally, magnifying the tiniest of things into all-consuming issues stoked and worsened by keyboard warriors who wouldn't dare say the things they say in public.

It's people like Ron and his apologists that continue the views that the young, ignorant generations lap up. He's not a scapegoat when he willingly signed up for the show. He wasn't tricked, he knows the format, he knows his own reputation and if he intended to change that, he was an idiot to begin with!

racism is bred into a person and hatred is the biggest catalyst, a kid hearing a fat, ugly old guy being racist isn't gonna think you know what the guy is talking sense when I grow up I want to be a racist, come on. whilst his views should be kept away from tv our current government are doing 1,000,000 times more damage than him in terms our racism potentially being rife in the next generation. I don't support him or his views, I just think he is not the problem, he is a hate figure taking the brunt of hate, that's why I said he was a scapegoat, theres no doubting the guys stupidity

and before anyone suggests im racist, feel free to ask my black, indian ex gf from a muslim family if i am  or my best friends who are french and polish or his wife who is chinese

i know better than most what it feels like to be discriminated against and it makes my blood boil when someone you love is the victim. but i just cast big ron off as a stupid old man that didnt know better and never will and it didnt bother me

[S1m]

Aug 28, 2013 15:12:19 GMT 1 Razzle Dazzle said:

a kid hearing a fat, ugly old guy being racist isn't gonna think you know what the guy is talking sense when I grow up I want to be a racist, come on.

lol then why has someone not shoved Nick Griffin on his way by now?

Anyway, glad Ron's gone.

[Razzle Dazzle]

Aug 31, 2013 15:36:18 GMT 1 S1m said:

Aug 28, 2013 15:12:19 GMT 1 Razzle Dazzle said:

a kid hearing a fat, ugly old guy being racist isn't gonna think you know what the guy is talking sense when I grow up I want to be a racist, come on.

lol then why has someone not shoved Nick Griffin on his way by now?

Anyway, glad Ron's gone.

he is to heavy to shift ha