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Post by raliverpool on Jan 1, 2017 20:34:28 GMT 1
07/01/1967
1 Aaron Neville - Tell It Like It Is (3wks 14-7-1)
2 Kinks - Dead End Street (7wks 22-13-7-2-1-1-2) 3 Monkees - I'm A Believer (4wks 11-5-4-3) 4 Nancy Sinatra - Sugar Town (5wks 23-9-4-3-4) 5 Wilson Pickett - Mustang Sally (5wks 32-18-9-5-5) 6 Who - Happy Jack (3wks 19-13-6) 7 Frank Sinatra - That's Life (6wks 14-9-6-3-2-7) 8 Dave Dee Dozy Beaky Mick & Tich - Save Me (4wks 25-13-10-8) 9 Mamas & The Papas - Words Of Love (3wks 24-17-9) 10 Four Tops - Standing In The Shadows Of Love (2wks 15-10)
11 Cliff Richard & The Shadows - In The Country (3wks 25-16-11) 12 Sandy Posey - Single Girl (5wks 28-23-18-14-12) 13 Otis Redding - Try A Little Tenderness (2wks 26-13) 14 Easybeats - Friday On My Mind (7wks 19-7-4-1-2-6-14) 15 Wayne Fontana - Pamela Pamela (2wks 28-15) 16 Temptations - (I Know) I'm Losing You (6wks 39-27-15-11-9-16) 17 Troggs - Anyway That You Want Me (3wks 27-22-17) 18 Seekers - Georgy Girl (1wk 18 NEW) 19 Nina Simone - Wild Is The Wind (6wks 25-15-10-6-8-19) 20 Jacques Dutronc - Les Playboys (5wks 40-27-20-18-20)
21 Paul Revere & the Raiders - Good Thing (2wks 27-21) 22 Cream - I Feel Free (2wks 37-22) 23 Seekers - Morningtown Ride (6wks 20-12-8-8-11-23) 24 Monkees - (I'm Not Your) Steppin' Stone (2wks 32-24) 25 Four Seasons - Tell It To The Rain (2wks 33-25) 26 Tom Jones - Green Green Grass Of Home (8wks 23-15-11-8-7-7-12-26) 27 Move - Night Of Fear (1wk 27 NEW) 28 Who - A Quick One, While He's Away (1wk 28 NEW) 29 Normie Rowe - Ooh La La (5wks 37-28-22-21-29) 30 Lovin' Spoonful - Nashville Cats (1wk 30 NEW)
31 Georgie Fame - Sitting In The Park (1wk 31 NEW) 32 Jimmy Ruffin - I've Passed This Way Before (2wks 35-32) 33 Beatles - And Your Bird Can Sing (7wks 9-4-2-3-10-19-33) 34 Fred Neil - Everybody's Talkin' (5wks 36-26-23-23-34) 35 Music Machine - Talk Talk (3wks 35-30-35) 36 Tim Hardin - (How Can We) Hang On To A Dream (1wk 36 NEW) 37 Petula Clark - Colour My World (1wk 37 NEW) 38 ? & The Mysterians - I Need Somebody (4wks 34-29-29-38) 39 Pretty Things - Progress (1wk 39 NEW) 40 Stevie Wonder - A Place In The Sun (7wks 34-27-21-17-16-20-40)
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It is worth mentioning ....
As I said at the start of my Retro Rewind Charts "project" I'm re-imagining (or going back to the future) to a world when album cuts would have been eligible due to cherry picking of album tracks, and therefore would have charted in the equivalent of today's download/streaming climate when the Beatles spent three years at #1 in the album chart during the 1960s. As an indicator of popularity I'm largely taking non charting tracks from Acclaimed Music's All Time Top 6000 Songs Poll of Polls listings.
Examples of rankings of non single album cuts (not released circa the era the corresponding studio album was charting):
3 The Beatles A Day in the Life 20 The Rolling Stones Sympathy for the Devil 22 Led Zeppelin Stairway to Heaven 27 The Rolling Stones Gimme Shelter 64 The Velvet Underground I'm Waiting for the Man 78 The Smiths There Is a Light That Never Goes Out 95 Bruce Springsteen Thunder Road
etc...
You have to remember a lot of classic albums frequently had one or no singles released from them, as it was a rarity for albums to have four singles "mined" from them, until Michael Jackson's Thriller and beyond.
With album cuts taken from an album like Sgt Pepper ... then I'm rationing the number of tracks that chart from it at the same time, so they will chart separately or overlap during that album's chart run which spent circa 8 months in the top 5 of the UK album chart, rather than try and chart them simultaneously at the start of the album's run. Where possible I'm mirroring them charting to when opportunistic cover versions of album cuts were charting in the singles chart.
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Post by Earl Purple on Jan 1, 2017 21:30:07 GMT 1
I will post mine in 2 days, i.e. on Tuesday.
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Post by Shireblogger on Jan 1, 2017 22:40:08 GMT 1
Where possible I'm mirroring them charting to when opportunistic cover versions of album cuts were charting in the singles chart. That's a good idea. I think I'll do the same.
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Post by Earl Purple on Jan 2, 2017 9:50:49 GMT 1
I don't do that, however as the USA generally splits double A-sides, when it was a hit over there it gets split in my chart too.
So Penny Lane and Strawberry Fields Forever will chart separately in mine. That they are going to get split voting may of course adversely affect its chart position.
I'm sure that will benefit all the Engelbert Humperdinck fans on here.
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Post by Earl Purple on Jan 3, 2017 21:26:35 GMT 1
And here it finally is.
1 ( 1 ) I'm A Believer - Monkees < 2nd week at #1 > 2 ( 3 ) I Feel Free - Cream 3 ( 8 ) Georgy Girl - Seekers 4 ( 5 ) Happy Jack - Who 5 ( 2 ) That's Life - Frank Sinatra (#1[2]) 6 ( 4 ) Mustang Sally - Wilson Pickett (#4) 7 ( 12 ) Hey Joe - Jimi Hendrix 8 ( 15 ) Try A Little Tenderness - Otis Redding 9 ( 7 ) Snoopy vs The Red Baron - Royal Guardsmen (#7) 10 ( 11 ) Standing In The Shadows Of Love - Four Tops
11 ( 17 ) Nashville Cats - Lovin' Spoonful 12 ( 9 ) In The Country - Cliff Richard And The Shadows (#9) 13 ( -- ) Night Of Fear - Move 14 ( 6 ) Dead End Street - Kinks (#3) 15 ( 24 ) (I'm Not Your) Steppin' Stone Monkees 16 ( 10 ) Pamela Pamela - Wayne Fontana (#7) 17 ( 19 ) I've Passed This Way Before - Jimmy Ruffin 18 ( -- ) (We Ain't Got) Nothin' Yet - Blues Magoos 19 ( 13 ) Save Me - Dave Dee Dozy Beaky Mick and Tich (#11) 20 ( 22 ) Any Way That You Want Me - Troggs
21 ( -- ) 98.6 - Keith 22 ( 18 ) I Need Somebody - ? & The Mysterians (#15) 23 ( -- ) (How Can We) Hang On To A Dream - Tim Hardin 24 ( 14 ) Mellow Yellow - Donovan (#1[2]) 25 ( 36 ) Colour My World Petula Clark 26 ( 16 ) A Hazy Shade Of Winter - Simon & Garfunkel (#3) 27 ( 28 ) Tell It To The Rain - Four Seasons 28 ( -- ) Run To The Door - Clinton Ford 29 ( 25 ) Tell It Like It Is - Aaron Neville (#25) 30 ( -- ) There's Got To Be A Word! - Innocence
31 ( 27 ) Words Of Love - Mamas & The Papas (#27) 32 ( 21 ) There Won't Be Many Coming Home - Roy Orbison (#13) 33 ( 20 ) Mame - Herb Alpert & The Tijuana Brass (#8) 34 ( 23 ) Under New Management - Barron Knights (#15) 35 ( 35 ) Island In The Sun - Righteous Brothers 36 ( 26 ) Sugar Town - Nancy Sinatra (#21) 37 ( 31 ) It's Only Love - Tommy James & The Shondells (#28) 38 ( 29 ) Missy Missy - Paul and Barry Ryan (#23) 39 ( -- ) Where Will The Words Come From - Gary Lewis & The Playboys 40 ( -- ) Gallant Men - Senator Everett McKinley Dirksen
-- ( 30 ) A Place In The Sun - Stevie Wonder (#9) -- ( 32 ) Morningtown Ride - Seekers (#7) -- ( 33 ) East West - Herman's Hermits (#18) -- ( 34 ) Knock On Wood - Eddie Floyd (#4) -- ( 37 ) Time After Time - Chris Montez (#31) -- ( 38 ) Whispers (Getting' Louder) - Jackie Wilson (#17) -- ( 39 ) Run Run Look And See - Brian Hyland (#27) -- ( 40 ) Good Vibrations - Beach Boys (#1[4])
I will also, at various times, put in youtube links to some of the lesser known songs that are charting here. The Tim Hardin song only managed one week at #50 and I think that made him a "least successful chart act" at the time, but he did also write a big hit "If I Were A Carpenter".
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Post by popchartfreak on Jan 4, 2017 15:03:34 GMT 1
I'd add to this but my dilemma (apart from lack of time) is.. do I post what I liked at the time (in which case Seekers/Tom Jones/ Monkees dominate), or what I what I charted in my first "retro" charts in the 70's (I went back to 1967/8 which predate my charts) and which were based on the UK singles top 20 charts (when I got hold of a book which published them), or do I just list what I like now as if new tracks would peak and older ones drop down - that means work, as I'd need to dig out US charts and album tracks to be accurate
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Post by Earl Purple on Jan 4, 2017 15:51:56 GMT 1
If you want to take account of songs going down and up, you can either start about 2 months earlier and compile a few charts to see where you end up in January 1967.
Regarding your change in tastes from the time, when I do 1984-85 etc I try to stick reasonably faithfully to my chart at the time but do occasionally champion a song now I didn't "notice" much at the time or really go to like just a bit later.
So ensure that the Seekers, Tom Jones and the Monkees do well because you like them at the time but if now you like Hendrix a lot more than you did back then, improve his chart runs too, with maybe the acts above doing just slightly worse to accommodate him.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 5, 2017 10:01:14 GMT 1
John, glad to see you here.
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Post by Earl Purple on Jan 5, 2017 12:14:50 GMT 1
Incidentally I source from UK top 50, Billboard top 40 and no album tracks.
Usually only one version of a song that has been recorded in multiple versions. I will normally only allow a cover version of a song that has already been a hit if it sounds a lot different and better than the previous version. Thus "Hey Joe" is in my chart again.
When the earlier version was before 1960 it's more of a dilemma. I have Val Doonican's cover of "Memories Are Made Of This" in early 1967 which falls into that category. Cover of Dean Martin's 1950s hit. I will probably choose not to chart it for that reason. (Val Doonican did do quite well in my chart with "Walk Tall" so I have nothing specifically against him).
The Four Tops will miss out with Walk Away Renee (The Left Banke) and IF I Were A Carpenter (I charted Bobby Darin's version). But then they got the bragging rights of "Baby I Need Your Lovin'" over the Fourmost version and a 1967 Johnny Rivers version. (The Fourmost did chart with their cover of Girls Girls Girls though, as none of the previous versions had been singles, even though Elvis's version was credited in my chart in 2005, but 2005 doesn't count when compiling a chart for 1964).
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Post by o on Jan 5, 2017 13:47:11 GMT 1
I'd add to this but my dilemma (apart from lack of time) is.. do I post what I liked at the time (in which case Seekers/Tom Jones/ Monkees dominate), or what I what I charted in my first "retro" charts in the 70's (I went back to 1967/8 which predate my charts) and which were based on the UK singles top 20 charts (when I got hold of a book which published them), or do I just list what I like now as if new tracks would peak and older ones drop down - that means work, as I'd need to dig out US charts and album tracks to be accurate Try and stay original if you can. Welcome along.
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Post by popchartfreak on Jan 5, 2017 20:23:03 GMT 1
If you want to take account of songs going down and up, you can either start about 2 months earlier and compile a few charts to see where you end up in January 1967. Regarding your change in tastes from the time, when I do 1984-85 etc I try to stick reasonably faithfully to my chart at the time but do occasionally champion a song now I didn't "notice" much at the time or really go to like just a bit later. So ensure that the Seekers, Tom Jones and the Monkees do well because you like them at the time but if now you like Hendrix a lot more than you did back then, improve his chart runs too, with maybe the acts above doing just slightly worse to accommodate him. Thanks Earl, funny you should mention Hendrix - didn't get him really till I was older, apart from All Along The Watchtower
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Post by popchartfreak on Jan 5, 2017 20:24:20 GMT 1
John, glad to see you here. Thanks A, got there in the end
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Post by popchartfreak on Jan 5, 2017 20:26:49 GMT 1
Incidentally I source from UK top 50, Billboard top 40 and no album tracks. Usually only one version of a song that has been recorded in multiple versions. I will normally only allow a cover version of a song that has already been a hit if it sounds a lot different and better than the previous version. Thus "Hey Joe" is in my chart again. When the earlier version was before 1960 it's more of a dilemma. I have Val Doonican's cover of "Memories Are Made Of This" in early 1967 which falls into that category. Cover of Dean Martin's 1950s hit. I will probably choose not to chart it for that reason. (Val Doonican did do quite well in my chart with "Walk Tall" so I have nothing specifically against him). The Four Tops will miss out with Walk Away Renee (The Left Banke) and IF I Were A Carpenter (I charted Bobby Darin's version). But then they got the bragging rights of "Baby I Need Your Lovin'" over the Fourmost version and a 1967 Johnny Rivers version. (The Fourmost did chart with their cover of Girls Girls Girls though, as none of the previous versions had been singles, even though Elvis's version was credited in my chart in 2005, but 2005 doesn't count when compiling a chart for 1964). I couldn't omit covers meself, Walk Away Renee is such a classic (Four Tops version) it would top my charts, though would also love to chart the Left Banke retrospectively (I wasnt aware of it at the time)
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Post by Earl Purple on Jan 5, 2017 22:31:02 GMT 1
Left Banke's version was 1966 but you'll have a chance to chart the wonderful Pretty Ballerina. It isn't on Spotify (at least not in the UK) but you can find versions on youtube.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 9, 2017 11:46:07 GMT 1
07.01.1967 (Week # 1)01. Sandy Posey - Single Girl (1 week) 02. Petula Clark - Colour My World (3 weeks) 03. Gunter Kallman Chorus - Wish Me A Rainbow (3 weeks) www.youtube.com/watch?v=o_-pbW3dvLw04. Sandie Shaw - Think Sometimes About Me (7 weeks) 05. Gitte - Ich Mach' Protest (3 weeks) www.youtube.com/watch?v=FqbaV2GCke4 06. Yvonne Norrman - Varldens Rikaste Flicka (9 weeks) www.youtube.com/watch?v=cSLmKD-EK8s07. Peggy March - Fool Fool Fool (Look In The Mirror) (3 weeks) www.youtube.com/watch?v=WzHzTaV2cg8 08. Cilla Black - A Fool Am I (12 weeks) 09. Seekers - Morningtown Ride (7 weeks) 10. Barbra Streisand - Free Again (13 weeks) 11. Reparata & Delrons - Mama's Little Girl (20 weeks) www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ykoflzc_Lnk12. Heidi Bruhl - Weiter Dreht Sich Unsre Welt (15 weeks) www.youtube.com/watch?v=D9tOc9Ql0co13. Petula Clark - Who Am I ? (14 weeks) 14. Siw Malmkvist - Slit Och Slang (7 weeks) 15. Nancy Ames - Cry Softly (14 weeks) 16. Margaret Whiting - The Wheel Of Hurt (14 weeks) 17. Nancy Sinatra - In Our Time (17 weeks) 18. Claudine Longet - Meditation (10 weeks) www.youtube.com/watch?v=qxmSdZNR1_Q19. Jackie DeShannon - I Can Make It With You (18 weeks) 20. Jackie Trent - If You Ever Leave Me (20 weeks) It has very hard, but I finished this top 20. Not sure it anybody will check my links, but at least "Varldens Rikaste Flicka" deserves it.
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Post by Earl Purple on Jan 9, 2017 15:28:55 GMT 1
popchartfreak said he plans to enter and you originally said 10th which is tomorrow so maybe check with him first if he intends to submit one soon, otherwise he can always join next week.
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Post by raliverpool on Jan 9, 2017 19:33:51 GMT 1
OK, I can wait him. Which rule you use in Combined chart for the songs with equal points ? Who is higher : the song with more voters or the song with the highest position in any personal chart ? In the album combi chart I do the most voters to split, otherwise it stays a tie (=).
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