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Post by Jordan on Apr 18, 2019 13:12:48 GMT 1
My main issue with the pacing of S7 and S8 is how it will affect the overall series. If someone comes to the show for the first time and buys the final box set, how strange is it going to feel with seasons 1-6 being pretty much a steady and consistent pace, to then be jolted about so much in the final 13 episodes? My assumption is that it's going to feel rather rushed - which is a shame.
But saying that I do totally get it. They only have so much time and money to work with so this is the best compromise they could get to for entertainment value.
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Post by o on Apr 22, 2019 11:04:52 GMT 1
Brilliant, and that's all I can say for now...
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Post by greendemon on Apr 22, 2019 22:48:19 GMT 1
Episode 2 was amazing! Game of Thrones at its very best. And it did it all with no battles, no dragons and very little sex So many wonderful, heartwarming little moments between all the different characters, and remarkably they all felt authentic; something I didn't always get from last week's episode. I loved the drinking scene and the knighting of Ser Brienne, but also Davos and the girl with the burnt face who so obviously reminded him of Shireen, and I actually even really liked Sansa and Dany's scene - Sansa acknowledging Dany's vital contribution to the defence of Winterfell but also being concerned about the future of the North felt true to her character. AND GHOST LIVES!!! Though my partner did say that's probably all we are going to see of him this season It all felt very "Helm's Deep" preparing for next week's episode - which, as it turns out, *is* in fact going to be 82 minutes long as originally advertised - the longest GoT episode ever. This is going to be a very long week!
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Post by o on Apr 22, 2019 22:55:39 GMT 1
So Sansa and Theon anyone? Not that I think Theon will survive beyond the next episode! I hope that sad gorgeous song doesn't mean all the people in there are going to die? Knighting Brienne suggests she's a goner in my book! I still think we are inside one of Bran's past visions, and everything has already happened.
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Post by greendemon on Apr 22, 2019 23:03:02 GMT 1
Oh no I'm still Team Sansa and Tyrion! Theon deserves a happy ending but I can't see him getting one, he will probably die defending Bran I am really nervous about the crypts, especially with them sending all the women and children to hide there. What could be safer, right? There's nothing down there but loads and loads of dead people! It's a good thing we aren't fighting anyone who routinely brings dead people back to life as vicious murderous zombies... OH WAIT
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Post by Jordan on Apr 23, 2019 8:46:13 GMT 1
I don't think it's any accident that they keep referring to the crypts so much - and the fact that they included them in the opening credits too... they even featured in the first promo for the season.
I had to watch this episode twice to really appreciate it - so many things I missed when I watched it for the first time.
I was a bit disappointed we didn't see anything of King's Landing. They have this thing with Cersei where we never really know what she's planning - I assume that's why we're seeing so little of her atm.
Also I've since become convinced that Qyburn is up to something. I don't believe for a second that Cersei ordered the assassination of Jamie and Tyrion. She had her chance in the last episode of season 7 to take them both out, and she didn't. Why the sudden (off screen) change of heart an episode later? Hmmmm
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Post by Shireblogger on Apr 23, 2019 8:52:54 GMT 1
One of the best Game Of Thrones episodes ever. It had all of things I love - oodles of humour, modestly presented sex, intrigue, menace, temporary alliances being forged... The Jon & Daenerys revelation scene was brilliant. So was the fireside scene. And so was the sequence of the various couples parting on the eve of battle. Unquestionably a 10/10. Plenty of clues, or red herrings, for what lies ahead. I see two possible routes for the final 4 episodes:- Route 1: Episode 3 is the climactic battle against the White Walkers, which the Army of the Living win, with most of our stars surviving. That leaves 3 episodes to resolve the various conflicts that need resolving, including who takes the Iron Throne, what happens to the Lannisters and their allies, and who ends up in control of the North. This would be the more conventional direction for the plot to develop, and hence this might be unlikely. Route 2: The White Walkers win the battle in episode 3, and inflict serious casualties on our heroes. (The revelation in episode 1 that the dragons weren't eating properly worries me). This leaves 3 episodes for the Lannisters to form an alliance with the remains of the Army of the Living, which would mean Tyrion playing a pivotal role. (And would explain him having such a major part in episode 2). This would lead to the very last episode containing the final battle between the living and the dead, and the Iron Throne going to the last man/woman standing. Would be a spectacular way for GoT to end. It hadn't occurred to me that the crypt might not be such a safe place, until greendemon mentioned it. Now I'm really worried for the life expectancy of everyone sent down there.
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Post by greendemon on Apr 23, 2019 9:58:01 GMT 1
My personal tinfoil theory is that they are going to lose next week and be forced to abandon Winterfell, with many characters dying. I think how they get out of it will involve Melisandre, and possibly Meera/her father Howland Reed (Greywater Watch, their castle, is about the southernmost fortress in the North).
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Post by o on Apr 23, 2019 12:46:31 GMT 1
I too think they may lose, or at least a strategic retreat? How does he bring the dead back, last time it was a raise my hands moment while amongst the dead, surely his death radar only reaches around him, and not into the castle? The dead are inside nice big stone crypts/caskets though aren't they? That would be horrendous to be attacked from within, especially as Sam gave up his sword!
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Post by Jordan on Apr 23, 2019 13:27:58 GMT 1
I think Melisandre HAS to show up in episode 3 (and likely will die doing whatever it is that she does - her own prophecy). It hasn't occurred to me that Meera might make an appearance, but it now seems that she has to. The Night King would have to pass through their lands on the way down to King's Landing anyway so there has to be a return for.
Are we also expecting Nymeria and her pack to show up?
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Post by greendemon on Apr 23, 2019 13:49:25 GMT 1
The mechanics of how the NK raises his wights is still a bit fuzzy. I think though if he could raise everyone in Hardhome with one gesture, he can probably raise a few hundred dead Starks in the crypts without having to actually be in the crypts. Proximity might be important but I'm sure he can do it while outside Winterfell.
I would love to see Nymeria and her pack again - there's a theory that they will come to Arya's rescue in the battle. Would love to see that after their bittersweet reunion last season.
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Post by greendemon on Apr 23, 2019 14:00:08 GMT 1
Re. the crypts, it's also worth nothing that in Season 2 Maester Luwin tells Theon that there are hidden passages out of Winterfell built for the Kings in the North to use to escape if necessary. We never actually see these (I'm not sure any of the surviving characters know where they are/how to access them) but I guess if they are a way out, they must also provide a way in.
So it's possible the NK knows about the secret passages and could use them to come in through the crypts (if that is indeed where they are)...
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Post by o on Apr 23, 2019 20:38:42 GMT 1
No, surely an escape route not a route in for the bad guys
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Post by madmurray on Apr 24, 2019 9:17:24 GMT 1
Agree with theories of Crypts becoming something of an issue.
Will the crypts come alive with the past kings? Could Ned King or even Ghost make a comeback to protect?
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Post by o on Apr 24, 2019 13:19:27 GMT 1
Will Ned have his head under his arm?
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Post by greendemon on Apr 24, 2019 13:45:11 GMT 1
I can't see Ned coming back. He's just bones jumbled up in a box as far as we know. Also what would be the point, no-one would recognise him! And I think if you cut their heads off they can't come back?
We will probably be seeing undead Rickon though...
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Post by Jordan on Apr 25, 2019 7:39:29 GMT 1
Book readers... what are we thinking of the choice of 'Jenny's Song' in ep 2? Is that a foreshadowing of some kind? I'm thinking Summerhall...
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Post by greendemon on Apr 25, 2019 13:13:50 GMT 1
Ooh yes. I was very excited when I realised Pod was singing Jenny's Song! Slightly book-spoilery thoughts: I think it's definitely foreshadowing a similarly tragic love story as that between Jenny of Oldstones and Prince Duncan. Probably between Dany and Jon. And yes, Summerhall-like, there could be a big fire in which loads of people die...
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Post by o on Apr 25, 2019 13:26:53 GMT 1
Could it not just be the one between Cersei and Jaime Why give us more bad stuff. And there will certainly be fire when the dragon gets here!
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Post by greendemon on Apr 25, 2019 13:51:15 GMT 1
Cersei and Jaime doesn't need any foreshadowing to end badly; it's been obvious from day one that was never a good idea As for not giving us more bad stuff, as Ramsay said, if you think this has a happy ending, you've not been paying attention.
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