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Post by greendemon on May 1, 2019 13:59:11 GMT 1
I love Sam but he should really have been a goner in that episode!
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Post by S1m on May 4, 2019 8:25:39 GMT 1
I think avoiding too many theories is definitely advisable. It's either going to turn out exactly like one of them (predictable) or none of them ( disappointing). I loved The Long Night because I had zero theories rattling around.
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Post by Jordan on May 4, 2019 8:27:50 GMT 1
The annoying thing about theories is that the scarce details we have on them make them sound incredible - but they're conjured up without the constraints of budget and time that the show writers are confined by. So the actual plot can seem disappointing in comparison. That's why I'm sure I'll enjoy the whole show even more if I ever watch it over again a few years from now when the theories are extinguished from memory
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Post by greendemon on May 4, 2019 9:21:12 GMT 1
I think that for those of us who remember the books fairly well and really love the world they're set in, it's impossible not to have some theories (particularly going into this season) because, as much as GoT and ASoIaF are separate things, the show has picked up enough from the books that you are always wondering whether this thing or that thing from the books will have a bearing on the show. In some ways it doesn't help that GRRM has himself said that the endings of both stories will largely be similar! We are in an almost unique position here of watching a TV adaptation of books that haven't yet been written, so some speculation was inevitable. The more I reflect on Episode 3, the more I realise it was an ending to the White Walker threat* that was written for those who have just been watching the show and haven't read the books. Most people I know in that category adored Episode 3. Whereas people like me were wanting some sort of pay-off with the Azor Ahai stuff (which is barely mentioned in the show), and we also I think expected some kind of deeper knowledge about the NK would be revealed at some point because GRRM has always said he doesn't like evil characters who are just evil for the sake of it. That's why the NK's death felt so anticlimactic to me. I wish I hadn't speculated so much going into this season but honestly, between the books and having two years between Season 7 and this one (to say nothing of the eight years of build-up for the WW threat!), I can't blame myself. I'm just not one of those people who can turn off the overthink Game of Thrones is without a doubt the most invested I've ever been in a TV show fandom. It has been outstanding television. Like Jordan I am confident I will enjoy the story as a whole after the dust has settled. The unceremonious end of the NK is probably only the third time in the series' whole run that it has really disappointed me. And I don't actually have many theories about how the endgame with Cersei plays out so it should be easier to enjoy it for what it is. * I'm assuming that last week actually was the end of the Night King. I think that's a safe assumption, to be honest, and I'm not about to get myself hyped up again for something that is definitely not going to happen (and which would, in all honesty, feel a bit cheap now).
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Post by o on May 4, 2019 11:16:52 GMT 1
So will this week be more build up for the battle in ep 5, and ep 6 could be a in ten years time scenario? Where characters children are on the various thrones?
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Post by Jordan on May 4, 2019 11:18:29 GMT 1
Apparently episodes 4, 5 and 6 are essentially 'one story' with a beginning, middle, and an end.
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Post by Shireblogger on May 4, 2019 11:30:47 GMT 1
For me, having my own theories is (1) unavoidable, and (2) part of the fun. From season 1 episode 1, GoT has delighted in the unexpected and shocking. Therefore, trying to predict the next surprise event helps to increase the level of immersion you have in the show. I've barely forecasted anything correctly, which just serves to show how creative the writers and directors are, and therefore heighten my admiration for them.
There hasn't been a television series anything close to this good before. And already there are far too many that have tried to replicate some of its characteristics, and just looked woeful for even trying. However it ends, I won't be disappointed, even if one or two plots fail to ignite my enthusiasm.
I haven't re-watched any of it yet, apart from clips on Thronecast. It will be fascinating to go again from the start, knowing the ultimate outcome, but being able to focus more clearly on character development. It will also be interesting to see how the show evolved as its success grew and budgets increased.
I've not read the books. And I probably won't do so, until I know that George Martin has completed the series.
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Post by greendemon on May 4, 2019 11:54:22 GMT 1
Rewatching it every year definitely promotes theory generation. You keep noticing things you didn't pick up at the time, and seeing how they tie in with stuff that has only just happened. It's prime theory fodder - and as Shireblogger says, it's definitely been part of the fun. I don't believe for a minute though that Melisandre's line to Arya in Season 3 was intended to foreshadow her killing the Night King at the time. The writers have said they knew Arya would be the one to do it only 3 years ago. It's a retcon, but it's a very clever retcon, and I do appreciate it on that level. Game of Thrones is peppered with all these lines and moments that feel portentous, so while they could just be interpreted in a straightforward way, they do open up other possibilities.
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Post by o on May 4, 2019 12:55:21 GMT 1
Enjoy rewatching it Shireblogger, the 1st season was full of very interesting comments, and it's great to watch and see what is said and what happens knowing the future outcomes of those scenes and characters. I did totally miss how Dany's lover (actor) totally changed between seasons as well, he was this foppish blonde hunk, and changed into this swarthy dark hunk, I'm so stoopid!
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Post by greendemon on May 5, 2019 14:49:18 GMT 1
It's funny because I actually think I prefer Daario's original actor for that role! Apparently it was his decision to leave, though, not the showrunners wanting to recast the role. Something else that I didn't pick up on until I rewatched the whole thing this year... you remember in Season 3, when Edmure captures the two Lannister boys who Karstark later kills as revenge for Jaime? One of them ends up playing... Tommen Baratheon!
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Post by o on May 5, 2019 15:03:44 GMT 1
Wow, my daughter did know, I didn't, very bizarre! My daughter swears when they did the flashbacks for the Targaryen with Lyanna, that the actor playing him, was also the actor playing Dany's brother who got his crown of gold. I admit they do look alike, but surely they didn't use the same actor for both roles, but seeing the above, anything is possible I guess
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Post by greendemon on May 5, 2019 15:15:50 GMT 1
Nah, I'm sure those two are different actors. Just really good casting!
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Post by greendemon on May 5, 2019 23:44:05 GMT 1
Episode 4 has leaked and I'm pretty sure I've been spoiled. Hoping I'm wrong!
Stay away from Facebook, Twitter and Reddit, for social media is dark and full of spoilers...
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Post by Jordan on May 6, 2019 9:02:21 GMT 1
I've just watched it. Wasn't half as much of a 'filler' episode as I was expecting! Actually it may be my favourite episode of the season so far.
I did spot a possible plot hole though - but they may resolve it in the next episode.
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Post by greendemon on May 6, 2019 10:30:07 GMT 1
I've seen it too! We stayed up to watch even though I knew it was a bad idea. I was right about the spoiler, though And yes, I loved it; I think it's my second favourite this season after Episode 2. Will save my collected thoughts for later when more people have caught up.
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Post by o on May 6, 2019 12:36:34 GMT 1
Yeah, enjoyed it as well, keeps everything nicely balanced, but disappointed about a few things as well.
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Post by Mart!n on May 6, 2019 17:12:47 GMT 1
Just seen the latest episode, Dany is really p*ssed, and the first spear coming from nowhere, never really expected that, than the episode finally picked up a bit, and I also saw the pothole.
The last 3 episodes should roll nicely, with quite a few of shocks at the end of each episode methinks. I think one major character will get killed off next week and the week after with a face off with Cersi in the final episode.
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Post by o on May 6, 2019 20:41:20 GMT 1
There's only 2 eps left Martin I didn't like where they've gone with Bronn, I know he's had a fallout with the actress that plays Cersei, but it's the final season, and they've just stuck him in nowhere land, and given him 2 scenes, most odd. And I dont think after all he's been through with Jaime and Tyrion, that he would do what he did. No more Tormund, surely not? He needs a spin off show of his own! And this isn't linked to tonight's ep. and maybe I'm being a bit dim, but what did Cersei do to get on Arya's list? Joffrey got Ned's head lopped off, she was for sending him to the Wall, and Tywin ordered with the Freys and Boltons to murder Robb Stark, again no involvement with Cersei, so what amd I missing? Great to see her back with the Hound though.
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Post by greendemon on May 6, 2019 21:02:52 GMT 1
In Season 1 episode 2, when Arya's wolf attacked Joffrey, Cersei basically forced Ned to kill Sansa's wolf (since Arya's had run off). I think that was what first made Arya hate her but she obviously also blames her for not stopping Ned's execution and ordering Syrio Forel and the whole Stark household in KL to be killed.
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Post by Jordan on May 7, 2019 8:09:24 GMT 1
So did anyone else notice that Tyrion started talking to Cersei about her pregnancy in front of Euron who had only just been told himself? Would he not clock on that Tyrion would have no way of knowing that unless she was already pregnant? Most odd.
Also hate what they've done to Bronn and Brienne's character. Why is she a bumbling mess all of a sudden? This show was all about girl power a couple of seasons ago but now they're all either going mad or emotional, or becoming sly and treacherous. I'm not saying that show has to be a girl power show at all, but it seems a heck of a U-turn just this season.
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