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Post by suedehead on Jan 3, 2020 12:39:51 GMT 1
The clear daylight offside rule operated all throughout the football league for over a decade because it's easy to judge if a blue shirt is ahead of a red shirt for example. If you go down the leagues they dont use the same offside rules as VAR are using, they cant measure to the exact mm and check 100 replays so just use the old rule of if the player is clearly off they flag, if he looks on the flag stays down, level it's a judgement call They apply the same law but without being able to check it. That’s no different from goal-line technology. The point is that it would be stupid to change the rules in a way that makes it even more difficult to apply in the vast majority of matches.
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Post by Razzle Dazzle on Jan 3, 2020 13:33:51 GMT 1
It would be stupid to bring in a rule where you need eagle eyesight to spot whose boot is whose when they are all different colours and could be 12 legs to look at simultaneously but not judging if there's daylight between two different coloured shirts, it worked well for decades at the lower levels
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Post by Earl Purple on Jan 3, 2020 15:05:59 GMT 1
The clear daylight offside rule operated all throughout the football league for over a decade because it's easy to judge if a blue shirt is ahead of a red shirt for example. If you go down the leagues they dont use the same offside rules as VAR are using, they cant measure to the exact mm and check 100 replays so just use the old rule of if the player is clearly off they flag, if he looks on the flag stays down, level it's a judgement call
Ok so it should go by where the shirt is, i.e. the main part of the body.
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Post by raliverpool on Jan 5, 2020 19:18:23 GMT 1
“I always said we had the best two teams on Merseyside… Liverpool and Liverpool Reserves.” Bill Shankly
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Post by frag on Jan 8, 2020 23:22:33 GMT 1
It would be stupid to bring in a rule where you need eagle eyesight to spot whose boot is whose when they are all different colours and could be 12 legs to look at simultaneously but not judging if there's daylight between two different coloured shirts, it worked well for decades at the lower levels Two words: umpire's call. A conversation going something like this: "Ref here, referring a tight offside decision. Lino and I think Red #10 was level with the last defender when the ball was played, so the on-field decision is GOAL." "Understood" (10 seconds later) "Video evidence shows it's very tight, stick with your decision" Or perhaps: (Linesman flags yellow #14 offside) VAR: "Hold up ref, we want to look at this" (10 seconds later) VAR: "You numpty, yellow #14 was two yards onside - give the goal"
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Post by o on Jan 22, 2020 12:12:22 GMT 1
I find it bizarre that De Gea was yellow carded for dissent after a soft foul on him, which VAR agreed with, if someone is booked for diving, and VAR shows they didn't it's rescinded isn't it? Words are only spoken in the heat of the moment, and the decision is overturned. Imagine a striker runs into the box (and is on a yellow card already), he's fouled but the ref plays on, striker runs up to ref and suggests he goes to Specsavers, ref books him for dissent and sends him off, meanwhile VAR say err it was a penalty actually, but that team is now down to 10 men for someone moaning about a decision that the ref was proved to have gotten wrong. What annoys me so much at the moment is changing stuff, initially linesmen were told not to flag until the end of play, now they can flag when they think they are offside, but they might not be, so stick with flagging at the end! And handball was if it touches your hand it's a penalty or free kick in the box, now there has to be intent or an unnatural angle. When you jump or slide your body is at an unnatural angle. I'm not surprised the players are confused sometimes, because I know I certainly am! Same with Luiz last night, penalty given and red card, which I thought was only the case if it was reckless? Just looked clumsy to me, but the commentators said he stopped a goalscoring opportunity, while a player was stood on the line? Dont get me wrong, cant stand Luiz, but I do think it was a little harsh. Simple solution which people will hate, team scores penalty player stays on unless stupidly dangerous tackle was made, penalty saved/missed, player sent off, that way, never a double penalty on the offending team?
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Post by Razzle Dazzle on Jan 22, 2020 14:37:13 GMT 1
The new double jeopardy law means a clumsy challenge that leads to a penalty is only a yellow card now even if they are last man, they got it wrong
The Sheff Utd keeper was closer to the 6 yard line than his goal line when Jesus took his penalty too, VAR is a huge waste of time if they ignore 99% of decisions then give someone offside because they are 1mm off
West Ham striker headbutted an Everton player last week too, went to VAR and was fine, but it wasn't fine, it ended up going to a referee panel after the game who most likely decided if the Ref saw it, VAR reviewed it so how could they give a retrospective ban without making VAR look a joke so ignored the incident
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Post by Earl Purple on Jan 22, 2020 17:49:52 GMT 1
How many players have gone up to the referee drawing rectangular boxes with their fingers? Just like brandishing the invisible card..
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Post by raliverpool on Jan 22, 2020 19:58:58 GMT 1
As a neutral I have to say Chelsea v Arsenal last night was very entertaining to watch ...... it might have been for all the comedy elements, but it was still very entertaining:
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Post by Tom on Jan 24, 2020 14:27:01 GMT 1
I find it bizarre that De Gea was yellow carded for dissent after a soft foul on him, which VAR agreed with, if someone is booked for diving, and VAR shows they didn't it's rescinded isn't it? Words are only spoken in the heat of the moment, and the decision is overturned. Imagine a striker runs into the box (and is on a yellow card already), he's fouled but the ref plays on, striker runs up to ref and suggests he goes to Specsavers, ref books him for dissent and sends him off, meanwhile VAR say err it was a penalty actually, but that team is now down to 10 men for someone moaning about a decision that the ref was proved to have gotten wrong. What annoys me so much at the moment is changing stuff, initially linesmen were told not to flag until the end of play, now they can flag when they think they are offside, but they might not be, so stick with flagging at the end! And handball was if it touches your hand it's a penalty or free kick in the box, now there has to be intent or an unnatural angle. When you jump or slide your body is at an unnatural angle. I'm not surprised the players are confused sometimes, because I know I certainly am! Same with Luiz last night, penalty given and red card, which I thought was only the case if it was reckless? Just looked clumsy to me, but the commentators said he stopped a goalscoring opportunity, while a player was stood on the line? Dont get me wrong, cant stand Luiz, but I do think it was a little harsh. Simple solution which people will hate, team scores penalty player stays on unless stupidly dangerous tackle was made, penalty saved/missed, player sent off, that way, never a double penalty on the offending team? The penalty + red card is something that causes confusion. Last month we played Derby and a player conceded a penalty and was also sent off. It was questioned by our fans or on the radio coverage, but in that case he was given the red card because there was no attempt to play the ball, he just clumsily pushed our player over, and also IIRC the keeper was nearby too so guess the ref could have seen it as dangerous. In the Luiz case it did seem surprising initially but it looked similar, a push rather than an attempted tackle?
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Post by Razzle Dazzle on Jan 24, 2020 16:21:18 GMT 1
West Ham v Sheff Utd, Anderson breaks away, the Sheff Utd play is chasing shadows so he chops Anderson down from behind in a desperate lunge, no attempt to get the ball, injured him for 6 weeks+ and gets a yellow card outside of the box, I don't think the referees know what's dangerous if they are counting a push as dangerous
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Post by Panda on Feb 14, 2020 19:40:57 GMT 1
Manchester City have been banned from the Champions League for the next two seasons by UEFA after committing "serious breaches" of financial fair play and licensing regulations.
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Post by raliverpool on Feb 14, 2020 19:46:46 GMT 1
Manchester City have been banned from the Champions League for the next two seasons by UEFA after committing "serious breaches" of financial fair play and licensing regulations. Well deserved. Such a shame the Premier League never had the same guts for penalising them for their Unethical Financial Doping that bought them all their success.
The British Sports media really are a joke how over the years they go on and on about UK Cycling, & UK Athletics being dodgy because of the questionable science of biology; yet turn a blind eye to what first Chelski did, and now Man Citeh have done. Basically, playing Championship Manager in Cheat Mode over the years.
Still I'm sure "Abu Dhabi United" will throw the best money lawyers can buy to pick holes in the case and win their appeal in the notorious flaky Court of Arbitration for Sport....
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Post by Robbie on Feb 14, 2020 23:21:12 GMT 1
A bit of nostalgia here. A match that I was at along with 30,000 others. I'm posting it here so I know where to find it if I want to watch it again.
17 March 1984: Newcastle 3 Middlesbrough 1
Peter Beardsley's goal, the move leading up to it starting at 6:10, is magical.
Edit: unfortunately you have to click through and watch in on YouTube.
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Post by Panda on Feb 14, 2020 23:53:24 GMT 1
I prefer this one:
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Post by Panda on Feb 14, 2020 23:55:17 GMT 1
Though I prefer this one even more: (you can even see me in it)
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Post by Robbie on Feb 15, 2020 12:27:49 GMT 1
Yes, I remember that 1990 Boro v Newcastle game. Very disappointing. Newcastle were going for promotion and needed to win that game to stand any chance of finishing in the automatic promotion places. Instead we finished third on 80 points after that defeat with Leeds and Sheffield Utd getting automatic promotion. We were in the play-offs - against Sunderland. After drawing the first leg 0-0 at Roker Park we were hopeful of victory but unbelievably Sunderland beat us 2-0 at St James Park. The town I live in is a 50/50 split between Newcastle and Sunderland fans and things turned ugly all over the town after Sunderland won. I was in a pub with my mate listening to the match on the radio (the match wasn't shown live or if it was it must have been on the old Sky Sports channels) and after Sunderland won all hell broke loose with people fighting and throwing chairs and even tables at each other! It was like something from the Wild West. In a way it was quite comedic. My mate and I sat at our table drinking our pints while all around fists - and everything else - were flying. At one stage the landlord jumped over the counter and joined in with the general mayhem. Had it not been so serious it would have looked like something from a Carry On film
Even stranger - Sunderland lost in the play-off final but still got promoted as the winners (Swindon) were relegated to the old Third Division because of dodgy dealings.
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Post by Shireblogger on Mar 1, 2020 9:31:18 GMT 1
So, Liverpool have lost a league match this season. I'm mildly disappointed.
I'm not a Liverpool fan, although I really enjoy watching Klopp's team play, as they're highly entertaining.
But my disappointment stems from the fact that it would finally silence the Arsenal bores that I work with, who seem to think that their invincibles season was the ultimate supreme sporting achievement of all time, and never stop banging on about it.
On the plus side, Liverpool were comprehensively beaten. So we won't get disgruntled Liverpool fans going on for 20 years about how they would have been invincible if it wasn't for a shocking refereeing / VAR decision, as is so often the case when the fans of entitlement clubs (i.e. Man Utd, Liverpool & Arsenal) struggle to accept defeat.
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Post by Razzle Dazzle on Mar 1, 2020 11:46:11 GMT 1
Liverpool have been shocking for a month now so this was coming. Took an 80th minute goal to beat bottom of the league Norwich, then on monday two goal keeping errors stopped West Ham beating them at Anfield with one being Masimo Taibi esq and Athletico Madrid taught them a footballing lesson the other week, just like Napoli did in the group stages. They have done amazingly well to be so many points ahead in the league but maybe aren't quite as good as that lead suggests. I'm not disappointed, they have the Champions League already and will add the league title this year, the fans are already intolerable enough without being the new invincibles
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Post by raliverpool on Mar 1, 2020 12:58:07 GMT 1
Most Liverpool fans are more gutted for Stevie G's Glasgow Rangers losing to Hearts in the Scottish Cup QF; than Liverpool losing to Watford as Liverpool fans have been seeing it coming for the past few weeks. Not least as most admire Watford as a football club; their brilliantly underrated manager Nigel Pearson; and their players and supporters who are a credit to the club (which certainly can't be said for a sizeable number of other teams in the Premier League).
Quite frankly we are more alarmed by our poor run of form, but hope it is a wake up call/slap in the face at the right time with critical matches against Chelsea; Bournemouth & Athletico Madrid.
Maybe now fans of other clubs will actually start to believe us when Liverpool fans have been saying all season long that Jordan Henderson is our most important player (especially without the influence of James Milner to replace him on the pitch)...
The idea that Arsenal's Invincibles 2003/4 achievement is superior to Man Utd 98/99 Treble winning season is a joke.
Hence why on RAWK given the poll option hypothetically (as quite frankly nearly 10% of Liverpool supporters would have taken ending 30 years of hurt and winning nothing else in an instant) a choice between surpassing (with a superior points total) Arsenal's unbeaten season; or equaling Man Utd's PL (albeit with a superior points total, hence arguably surpassing Man U's achievement)); FA Cup; & ECL winning season 91% went for the latter.
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