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Post by Jordan on Oct 5, 2021 13:50:00 GMT 1
Very excited for this.
I'm hopeful this series can succeed where GoT season 8 failed, because a conclusion to this part of the story already exists. Hoping they don't try to tie in the white walkers in any way.
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Post by Razzle Dazzle on Oct 5, 2021 14:43:12 GMT 1
looks decent, have to say I agree Game Of Thrones could've been great but the white walkers or the threat of them, in the end it was the main storyline for way too long and once the threat was over the show ended like the first 5 series were kind of pointless, the white walkers wee defeated, end of show
I much enjoyed the first half of the show, the battle between waring factions both internally and between different kingdoms ie the game of thrones, that was brilliant, id hate a new show and then a few series in oh no her come the white walkers again completely derailing the entire show, nothing much happens once they show up as everyone distracted in stopping them!
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Post by o on Oct 7, 2021 12:47:03 GMT 1
GofT season 8 didn't fail, it all tied up with things that happened in the very 1st season. The white walkers have always been there, like the dragons, and the white walkers were awesome. I have no interest in a prequel where you know certain main characters dont die until a certain point. GofT was brilliant, because you didn't know who was going to die or when, unless you'd read the books Saying all that, if I get Sky in my new place and have the channel this is on, then I will probably watch it. Assume that's Matt Smith?
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Post by TheThorne on Oct 7, 2021 14:29:18 GMT 1
GofT season 8 didn't fail, it all tied up with things that happened in the very 1st season. The white walkers have always been there, like the dragons, and the white walkers were awesome. I have no interest in a prequel where you know certain main characters dont die until a certain point. GofT was brilliant, because you didn't know who was going to die or when, unless you'd read the books Saying all that, if I get Sky in my new place and have the channel this is on, then I will probably watch it. Assume that's Matt Smith? Yes thank you, I am always defending it. I think they needed maybe 5 more episodes but everything that happened needed to happen it was just a bit too accelerated with people teleporting thousands of miles. I am currently rewatching half way through season 5 and you spot all, the nods and looks that are forewarning future events, like Red Queen knowing exactly who Jon Snow is, she just gives a look and you know, also the fact that she s looking at differnt battle in the snow in her visions.
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Post by TheThorne on Oct 7, 2021 14:34:55 GMT 1
looks decent, have to say I agree Game Of Thrones could've been great but the white walkers or the threat of them, in the end it was the main storyline for way too long and once the threat was over the show ended like the first 5 series were kind of pointless, the white walkers wee defeated, end of show I much enjoyed the first half of the show, the battle between waring factions both internally and between different kingdoms ie the game of thrones, that was brilliant, id hate a new show and then a few series in oh no her come the white walkers again completely derailing the entire show, nothing much happens once they show up as everyone distracted in stopping them! They were always coming that’s the point, all the squabbles over the throne were for nothing if they weren’t dealt with. Also no chance of that in the new show, it is permanently Summer.
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Post by Razzle Dazzle on Oct 7, 2021 16:12:09 GMT 1
It's just the pacing with the whole white walker thing I think, they are coming, they are coming, they are coming took over the show during the last few series! but with them barely mentioned for the first 4/5 years, it was like 2 different shows tacked together, 4 or 5 years of "the battle for the thrones" and 4 years of "the white walkers are coming" which is fine I guess, I imagine they used different books and the source content changed dramatically, it happens
My problem is more once the white walkers are defeated, that's a solid end to that storyline which played out for several series, but there is more than one storyline throughout GOT and the main storyline for the first 5 years of the show, the storyline the shows success was built on, the actual "game of thrones" got a short montage tacked at the end of the final episode like here is a 3 minute montage of the 6/12 month rebuild after the white walkers came, THE END
Very unsatisfying to watch towards the end, its like an entire series worth of content was condensed into a few minutes, yet we had literally 10 hours of frozen people with blue eyes just walking for 2 series, I get they were trying to build suspense but it was at the expense of imo a proper ending
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Post by Jordan on Oct 7, 2021 18:26:48 GMT 1
I think the pace of the white walker side of it was perfect actually, and in line with the novels. The whole point of it is that very few people actually believed they existed, and far fewer again recognised the actual threat they posed. I don't know where the books are going, but I sense that the whole point is that the warring factions/houses have to decide either to keep fighting each other, or join forces and beat the common threat. They sort of did this in the show with that meeting in the Dragon pit, but it didn't have any time to become at all interesting.
I agree that the pacing was the main issue with Season 8, but I'm also not letting Dan & Dave off the hook. It's not a coincidence that the writing became far less believable and characters way more random when they ran out of books to guide them. They had an end goal in mind, an agreed number of seasons and cash to get there, and very little care given to how they got it there.
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Post by Jordan on Oct 7, 2021 18:27:45 GMT 1
That's the very reason I have more faith in this. The full story of the Dance of Dragons is already written - though not in such depth of detail that creative and respectful writers can't add more intricacies around the edges. That and D&D aren't involved.
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Post by greendemon on Oct 8, 2021 0:17:59 GMT 1
I'm tentatively looking forward to this, for much the same reasons as Jordan has said. I feel like I've spent most of the past two years ranting about Season 8 of GoT on social media so I won't go into it again here but I do largely agree with Razzle Dazzle. Did they tie everything up? Yes. Did they do it in a satisfying way? No. A ten-episode season instead of 6 episodes would have gone a long way. That was sort of the most frustrating thing, for me: I did actually agree with most of the end points they got to, I just didn't really buy how they got the characters there. It made me think of my maths teacher at school telling me off for not showing my working. I actually preferred the sound of the other prequel series they originally started work on (set during the original Long Night) as I'm much more interested in the North, the Watch, the Starks and the white walkers than Targaryens. But yes, more Westeros, more dragons, more politics and intrigue all sounds good to me, as long as Benioff and Weiss have nothing to do with it.
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Post by TheThorne on Oct 8, 2021 9:00:34 GMT 1
But before that we have Wheel Of Time, hoping it’s going to be good and closer to Lord Of The Rings/Game Of Thrones quality rather than Shannara Chronicles/Cursed which were both watchable shows but neither anywhere close to their source/inspiration. But then I even watch The Outpost /hides
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Post by greendemon on Oct 8, 2021 9:14:27 GMT 1
I have to say, Wheel of Time looks VERY good. I haven't read the books which will probably help with my enjoyment of it, too.
Also really looking forward to the LOTR series (well a little anxious to be perfectly honest) but that's not until next year. I really, really hope I don't hate it.
Only saw one episode of Shannara (again hadn't read the books) and didn't bother with the rest!
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Post by Jordan on Oct 8, 2021 11:01:42 GMT 1
Agree re Wheel of Time, can't wait for that. But I'm dubious on the LOTR series just because the source material is so hard to get to grips with and the whole story spans thousands of years, and should require the show runners to focus more on the religious aspect of the lore than the movies did.
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Post by greendemon on Oct 8, 2021 11:27:57 GMT 1
I'm not sure what to expect - I think my standards for anything Middle Earth-related are far too high because I love Peter Jackson's original trilogy so so much; if those films were a country I would live there If I remember rightly it's going to be set during the Second Age but they haven't got the rights to The Silmarillion, but they also are not allowed to make stuff up that contradicts anything Tolkien wrote... which sounds kind of weird and restrictive so I definitely have concerns!
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Post by Mart!n on May 25, 2022 23:07:17 GMT 1
I've seen the trailer for this, not holding out hope for Season 2 I believe I read somewhere this series has been dumped already,
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Post by greendemon on May 28, 2022 13:35:57 GMT 1
I've seen the trailer for this, not holding out hope for Season 2 I believe I read somewhere this series has been dumped already, The other GoT spin-off/prequel - working title 'Bloodmoon' - was cancelled following the pilot, before they even made one season. 'House of the Dragon' has not been dumped. Given the obscene amount of publicity and money thrown at the thing already, and the revenue potential that anything Westeros-related automatically has, there's no way they're cancelling it before it's even aired.
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Post by S1m on May 28, 2022 15:15:13 GMT 1
I've seen the trailer for this, not holding out hope for Season 2 I believe I read somewhere this series has been dumped already, The other GoT spin-off/prequel - working title 'Bloodmoon' - was cancelled following the pilot, before they even made one season. 'House of the Dragon' has not been dumped. Given the obscene amount of publicity and money thrown at the thing already, and the revenue potential that anything Westeros-related automatically has, there's no way they're cancelling it before it's even aired. Oh agreed! I've heard at least four or five years of this are planned and invested in. This is BIG business for all involved and they're not going to let people miss this.
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Post by Smurfie on Aug 22, 2022 20:16:12 GMT 1
So first episode in - and not 100% sold yet.
But I will wait for others before asking questions.
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Post by TheThorne on Aug 22, 2022 21:19:30 GMT 1
Solid enough start but all quite po faced. Hope we have a Tyrion type character at some point. It was the pilot it had to be let’s see where it goes from here.
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Post by Shireblogger on Aug 22, 2022 21:33:45 GMT 1
Same, high quality production values of GoT. Good cast. Bloodthirsty as ever. Perhaps the plot was too simplistic for many fans ? And it lacked any zingers.
Its easy to lose sight of how different GoT was when it first aired. Our expectations are now so much higher. Plenty of time for the series, plot and characters to develop.
7/10 from me, but optimistic for future episodes.
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Post by greendemon on Aug 22, 2022 22:59:57 GMT 1
Looking forward to checking this out eventually, once we get around to sorting a Now TV subscription again. Seems to have been reasonably well-reviewed so far but I'd honestly be surprised if it manages to capture that lightning-in-a-bottle formula that GoT had for the first few seasons.
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