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Post by Panda on Jan 14, 2022 2:35:29 GMT 1
I know I talked about this last year and ended up not being able to fit it in but I would like to do another Havenvision at some point. With various contests coming thick and fast, it wouldn't be feasible for it to have a dedicated month-long block like it once did but at the same time, given it was the competition that paved the way for the others and still has a "special" feel when it does take place, I wouldn't want it to become a "blink and you miss it" thing either.
Potentially it could overlap with other contests, as long we don't get a situation where people are voting on (and having to listen to) several things at once.
A possible timeframe could be: One week for sign-ups (could be done during another contest) One week for sending songs (same as above) One week for voting (preferably when whatever competition that was going on has finished)
A possible slot in the calendar could be at the end of Haven Factor 11, as it's earlier in the year than it was last year.
Any thoughts?
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Post by Smurfie on Jan 14, 2022 7:58:44 GMT 1
Yes please. Name your time.
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Post by Shireblogger on Jan 14, 2022 9:11:22 GMT 1
I know I talked about this last year and ended up not being able to fit it in but I would like to do another Havenvision at some point. With various contests coming thick and fast, it wouldn't be feasible for it to have a dedicated month-long block like it once did but at the same time, given it was the competition that paved the way for the others and still has a "special" feel when it does take place, I wouldn't want it to become a "blink and you miss it" thing either. Potentially it could overlap with other contests, as long we don't get a situation where people are voting on (and having to listen to) several things at once. A possible timeframe could be: One week for sign-ups (could be done during another contest) One week for sending songs (same as above) One week for voting (preferably when whatever competition that was going on has finished) A possible slot in the calendar could be at the end of Haven Factor 11, as it's earlier in the year than it was last year. Any thoughts? Absolutely yes. It is the granddaddy of all Haven competitions and deserves star billing whenever you are ready to host an edition.
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Post by Panda on Jan 15, 2022 2:04:18 GMT 1
Yes please. Name your time. I could open entries the week of the Haven Factor semi-final. People can send their song during the HF final week. Then the songs can go live the following week for a week of voting, followed by the results show. So based on the timeframe set out for Haven Factor, the voting for Havenvision would take place in early April.
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Post by Smurfie on Jan 16, 2022 22:05:30 GMT 1
Just putting this out there while we're all talking about it... I have in mind a tweaked version of Haven Factor called Haven Factor Express. This would have fewer rounds, and be designed for acts which don't have many hit singles. I'm thinking perhaps 8 rounds, with a qualifying rule along the lines of maximum 4 Top 40 hits &/or silver certified tracks. Obviously, this would be an opportunity to win with an act which hasn't been huge. (Yes, and I know a proper Haven Factor has been won by an obscure act already). With just 8 rounds, Haven Factor Express could come and go in two months. Feel free to comment, and, depending on response, we can see if there is a slot in this year's schedule for it. Love this idea too! Or even five rounds? 16 in double quick time would be very nail biting and carnage. There were lots of acts I toyed with in the past that I was not confident about going the whole hog in HI would fit this perfectly. Just need to probably make sure we are not using up acts with big back catalogues for the full version.
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Post by Jordan on Jan 16, 2022 22:14:38 GMT 1
I have about a hundred times more acts I'd be able to mentor in an express version, than I'd feel confident with in the main edition. Great idea.
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Post by greendemon on Jan 19, 2022 11:25:17 GMT 1
Just putting this out there while we're all talking about it... I have in mind a tweaked version of Haven Factor called Haven Factor Express. This would have fewer rounds, and be designed for acts which don't have many hit singles. I'm thinking perhaps 8 rounds, with a qualifying rule along the lines of maximum 4 Top 40 hits &/or silver certified tracks. Obviously, this would be an opportunity to win with an act which hasn't been huge. (Yes, and I know a proper Haven Factor has been won by an obscure act already). With just 8 rounds, Haven Factor Express could come and go in two months. Feel free to comment, and, depending on response, we can see if there is a slot in this year's schedule for it. I definitely have an act in mind for this!
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Post by Razzle Dazzle on Jan 19, 2022 13:13:01 GMT 1
if i haven't said already id be up for a short version too with relatively less well known acts, although i did win with Melody Club the chances of lightning striking twice against top top acts with unlimited back catalogues over a 16 round contest is slim, which is the only reason I've been reluctant to enter another one not because i haven't wanted too, you always have the "i dont want to enter an obscure act and bomb first round thought in your mind"
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Post by Good Old Days on Jan 19, 2022 13:42:26 GMT 1
My impossible dream is top 5 result with LD darling in Haven Factor.
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Post by greendemon on Jan 19, 2022 16:55:21 GMT 1
You'd first have to persuade whoever hosts the next HF that you can be trusted to continue voting even if your act is voted out early...
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Post by Earl Purple on Jan 21, 2022 10:26:45 GMT 1
Regarding the 1960s "time machine", I think it is more appropriate to discuss here. I think it should stick primarily to the way it's been run in previous decades. It's a series and therefore I'm not that happy with any extreme changes. We have pop-idol / pot pourri for rounds where the organiser chooses the rules for each round as he sees fit. We could manage to find a song from each of the 60s years. The Beatles in pre-predicta? I guess many will try to find more obscure Beatles songs. Also lots of Elvis Presley and Cliff Richard to pick, even in the pre-Beatles years, as well as the Shadows without Cliff plus many other rock and roll acts like Dion and Chubby Checker in those years. raliverpool, Razzle Dazzle and I have all done retro charts for the first few years of the 60s and others picked up in 1967 with the retro combi-chart.
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Post by TheThorne on Jan 21, 2022 10:34:14 GMT 1
Regarding the 1960s "time machine", I think it is more appropriate to discuss here. I think it should stick primarily to the way it's been run in previous decades. It's a series and therefore I'm not that happy with any extreme changes. We have pop-idol / pot pourri for rounds where the organiser chooses the rules for each round as he sees fit. We could manage to find a song from each of the 60s years. The Beatles in pre-predicta? I guess many will try to find more obscure Beatles songs. Also lots of Elvis Presley and Cliff Richard to pick, even in the pre-Beatles years, as well as the Shadows without Cliff plus many other rock and roll acts like Dion and Chubby Checker in those years. raliverpool, Razzle Dazzle and I have all done retro charts for the first few years of the 60s and others picked up in 1967 with the retro combi-chart. If I enter a 60s time machine which is 50/50 I will be going deep, I’m not interested in most of the stuff in the charts especially pre 1965. Also doing a time machine over multiple decades isn’t a major change and neither is repeating a decade, if not enough people are interested in 60s there is no point doing it just because we should. Your retro charts reinforce why I am disinterested rather than encourage me most if it is really boring And yeh I can easily find a song I like for each round well maybe not pre 1963 but the point is Id have to listen to 20 odd songs most of which I won’t like.
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Post by greendemon on Jan 21, 2022 10:42:07 GMT 1
I'm not sure I'd enter songs for a 60s Time Machine (I know so little of the decade it would be too much work for me to find decent entries) but I would be happy to host one if Panda didn't want to. As a participant, I'd be much more likely to participate in the mixed decades style contest he proposed, simply because I could find one or two 60s songs that weren't all by the same artist or otherwise painfully obvious, but 10 would be a real stretch.
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Post by Earl Purple on Jan 21, 2022 10:47:55 GMT 1
Regarding the 1960s "time machine", I think it is more appropriate to discuss here. I think it should stick primarily to the way it's been run in previous decades. It's a series and therefore I'm not that happy with any extreme changes. We have pop-idol / pot pourri for rounds where the organiser chooses the rules for each round as he sees fit. We could manage to find a song from each of the 60s years. The Beatles in pre-predicta? I guess many will try to find more obscure Beatles songs. Also lots of Elvis Presley and Cliff Richard to pick, even in the pre-Beatles years, as well as the Shadows without Cliff plus many other rock and roll acts like Dion and Chubby Checker in those years. raliverpool , Razzle Dazzle and I have all done retro charts for the first few years of the 60s and others picked up in 1967 with the retro combi-chart. If I enter a 60s time machine which is 50/50 I will be going deep, I’m not interested in most of the stuff in the charts especially pre 1965. Also doing a time machine over multiple decades isn’t a major change and neither is repeating a decade, if not enough people are interested in 60s there is no point doing it just because we should. Your retro charts reinforce why I am disinterested rather than encourage me most if it is really boring And yeh I can easily find a song I like for each round well maybe not pre 1963 but the point is Id have to listen to 20 odd songs most of which I won’t like. 1962 was the worst year for me but even I can find 20 songs easily that would make a decent playlist to rate, so if 20 different people picked those songs it isn't too bad. This is my 1962 year playlist. Don't ask me why someone felt the need to pull one of the two Pat Boone songs off Spotify, but Speedy Gonzales is still there (Elton John liked that song and borrowed from it), and all the rest are still there. You can also look at Razzle Dazzle's chart as he charted a lot of stuff I didn't.
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Post by Razzle Dazzle on Jan 21, 2022 11:27:17 GMT 1
I'm ok because I've done retro charts from 60 to 63 and 64-69 are pretty well known and as good musically as any decade
Personally I found the 70s early years as much if not more of a hassle. Most decades seem to start slow
It would be a shame to miss out the decade where the type of music we all love was pretty much invented
A repeat decade or multiple decade contests sound OK but I'd very much prefer a 60s one first but if people aren't interested I cant make them interested. I think they will regret not trying, half the fun is discovering new music you didn't know and the 60s has the potential to be the best decade for that
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Post by Earl Purple on Jan 21, 2022 11:32:20 GMT 1
I would hope that those who are perhaps not so interested in entering a 60s time machine would at least vote as non-participants.
The advantage is there would be fewer songs, maybe 15 instead of 20, and 60s songs are usually shorter (until you get to around 1968 anyway). In 1961-62 for example, many songs are only about 2 minutes long.
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Post by greendemon on Jan 21, 2022 11:39:24 GMT 1
I'd definitely vote in a 60s Time Machine (whether or not I was hosting).
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Post by TheThorne on Jan 21, 2022 12:25:47 GMT 1
I’d rather play than just vote as voting means I still have to listen to all the songs anyway. Might as well subvert things with my choices here
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Post by Shireblogger on Jan 21, 2022 12:30:30 GMT 1
I’d love a 60s Time Machine, but would support the consensus view.
Note: please don’t let EP’s mostly terrible 1962 playlist put you off. There were some great singles released that year.
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Post by greendemon on Jan 21, 2022 12:43:23 GMT 1
To be honest I think we need a poll on what contest to do next - it sounds like there's support for both ideas but some like multi-decades more than 60s and vice versa.
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