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Post by greendemon on Jan 19, 2022 18:07:33 GMT 1
Title announced for Amazon's upcoming Lord of the Rings TV series, due to start airing on 2nd September 2022!
I am so excited about this, it could be terrible but this teaser has definitely got my hopes up that they're at least going to try to be faithful to Tolkien's world. If they get it right it could be amazing.
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Post by Jordan on Jan 19, 2022 19:44:12 GMT 1
My expectations are pretty low at this point, so there's every likelihood I'll be pleased with the end result.
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Post by greendemon on Feb 15, 2022 13:58:25 GMT 1
So we now have a teaser/trailer... Honestly I think it looks pretty good, if a touch heavy on the CGI. I see it is already getting hate-bombed, which is disappointing if not unexpected (we'll leave aside the racists who don't think diverse castings belong in a completely made-up fantasy universe). The jury is still out for me but I'm still cautiously optimistic while not expecting it to necessarily fit perfectly with either my imagining of Tolkien's world or Jackson's. Dwarf lady should have a beard though
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Post by TheThorne on Feb 16, 2022 13:58:55 GMT 1
Agreed on the beard also Galadriel as a warrior, its a bit odd as well.. If we have some blonde blue eyed orcs to balance out the diversity, im in
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Post by greendemon on Feb 16, 2022 14:11:22 GMT 1
Given that orcs were originally elves that were corrupted, they should be at least as diverse as the elves! IIRC we haven't seen any orcs yet in promo for this new series but presumably the rise of Sauron is going to be a major plot point so they'll definitely appear. It'll be interesting to see how much they will look like the ones in the Jackson trilogy. It's a very different Galadriel from the one we've seen in the films for sure. I'm not sure how I feel about the Assassin's Creed ice waterfall climb or the 'don't look at the explosion' promo still It's a bit Galadriel of Tarth
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Post by Jordan on Feb 16, 2022 21:22:38 GMT 1
I haven't seen anything in the trailer that puts me off from giving this a good try, but I've also not seen anything that fills me with much hope it'll justify the moronic sum of money Bezos has thrown at it.
I am surprised to see Hobbits in the trailer though. I wasn't aware they played a significant part in any story before the events of The Hobbit. In fact surely that was half of the point in The Hobbit and The Lord of the Rings - how unlikely they were to be playing such a significant role in such dangerous affairs.
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Post by TheThorne on Feb 17, 2022 10:17:32 GMT 1
I haven't seen anything in the trailer that puts me off from giving this a good try, but I've also not seen anything that fills me with much hope it'll justify the moronic sum of money Bezos has thrown at it. I am surprised to see Hobbits in the trailer though. I wasn't aware they played a significant part in any story before the events of The Hobbit. In fact surely that was half of the point in The Hobbit and The Lord of the Rings - how unlikely they were to be playing such a significant role in such dangerous affairs. They aren’t hobbits they are harfoots but even still they basically are in the same way that nethanderals are humans. And yes they never played any major part in history until Bilbo which is one of the main points, this could really detract from The Hobbit as Bilbo was supposed to be special and unique up to that point.
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Post by greendemon on Feb 17, 2022 11:50:06 GMT 1
I'm actually less concerned about the hobbits/harfoots than some of the other changes mentioned so far. Yes, they weren't involved in the story until the events of the Third Age (hence why so much is made of them being unlikely heroes) but we don't necessarily know that they're really going to be doing anything major yet. I can see why Amazon wanted to include them, though, to tie it in better with the Jackson trilogy - and they are also one of the few peoples in Middle-Earth who don't appear very regularly in other high fantasy stories, so their presence I suppose is meant to reinforce the Tolkien-ness.
I'm wondering whether we're actually just going to see the harfoots feature in a minor storyline basically to give some insight into the historic origins of the Shire and hobbits, and for them to not have much to do with the main events. I think that could be quite nice alongside all the more epic stuff with Galadriel, Elrond, the dwarves and so on. And fleshing out other areas of the world where the main action isn't necessarily going on is a really good way of emphasising the scale and scope of Middle-Earth. There's even scope for them to cross paths with one or more of the major characters, but ultimately have no impact on the wider goings-on, such that you could imagine them not getting a mention by any Second Age chroniclers.
Of course we literally do have the harfoot girl say 'haven't you wondered what else is out there?' in the trailer so there's a good chance at least one of them heads off to join the main action and I'm totally wrong...!
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Post by Bluewhalesroxs007 on Feb 20, 2022 19:05:59 GMT 1
Think be ace but dont start september huhhh Yoooo Wuzupppp dis Wufyy All good
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Post by Jordan on Sept 3, 2022 16:36:11 GMT 1
Well I still don't really know what to think. You can see where all the money went because it really does look and sound phenomenal, but it seems that money couldn't buy a gripping plot, stellar performances, or decent pacing.
Being released within a few weeks of House of the Dragon (which has some pretty valid comparisons) may cost them.
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Post by smokeyb on Sept 3, 2022 17:06:49 GMT 1
Not going to see this as don't have amazon prime
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Post by greendemon on Sept 4, 2022 1:22:26 GMT 1
Well I still don't really know what to think. You can see where all the money went because it really does look and sound phenomenal, but it seems that money couldn't buy a gripping plot, stellar performances, or decent pacing. Being released within a few weeks of House of the Dragon (which has some pretty valid comparisons) may cost them. Personally I'm on board with this after the first two episodes! I don't know whether my expectations had been set very low (really didn't like the most recent trailer, ugh) but so far my big concerns aren't really issues for me. The plot is taking its time to get going, but the first episode or so was always going to be a bit world-buildy, so I don't have a huge problem with it for now. The good: - Morfydd Clark is killing it. She is really selling me on a younger, more warlike Galadriel which I was quite worried about. - I do like Robert Aramayo's Elrond, though I am finding it harder to reconcile with my imagining of Elrond (which is, inevitably, somewhat indebted to Hugo Weaving). - The music is amazing and feels like it could sit alongside Howard Shore's score from the LotR films - The dialogue, for the most part. I was really worried about this but I think, like the music and aesthetics, it's fitting in very nicely with the Middle-Earth of Jackson's imagining which is good enough for me. I was still pulled out of my immersion a couple of times by some cringy moments, but luckily there were only a couple of those (and at least nobody said 'let's hunt some orc!' ) - I did enjoy the dwarves, though yes, the lady dwarves ought to have beards - I am intrigued by the harfoot storyline with the proto-Gandalf-type character who may be more sinister than he appears The not so good: - Arondir is really not great so far. His vocal delivery is super mumbly! Given all the needless controversy over this casting, it's a shame his performance has been so lacking - I'm struggling to care about Bronwyn and that whole storyline although the revelation of the orcs tunneling under their village has made things quite a bit more exciting - I'm all for big scary sea monsters but the stuff on the sea/raft was surprisingly dull The bad: - I like the harfoots, but the accents are unfortunate. The Irish characterisation that is always given to travelling races in shows like this is really rather lazy. - I don't think I liked Elrond writing Gil-Galad's speech; that felt very modern-day political drama and was quite jarring for me - Occasional moments of cringe in the dialogue It's far from perfect but I don't think it deserves a lot of the criticism I've seen so far. Definitely excited for more. I haven't got around to watching HOTD yet but I do fear it will not compare favourably with that show.
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Post by S1m on Sept 6, 2022 21:12:37 GMT 1
Really enjoying this. The 'star man' character has me so intrigued!
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Post by TheThorne on Sept 7, 2022 10:35:38 GMT 1
Really enjoying this. The 'star man' character has me so intrigued! The fandom are calling him ‘Gandalf not Gandalf’
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Post by S1m on Sept 7, 2022 16:37:13 GMT 1
Really enjoying this. The 'star man' character has me so intrigued! The fandom are calling him ‘Gandalf not Gandalf’ He's got Big Gandalf Energy, twinkly little Ian McKellen eyes and a huge weight of expectation!
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Post by greendemon on Sept 7, 2022 16:51:57 GMT 1
I can definitely see why people think he might be Gandalf, but I hope he isn't, not just because it would be a huge departure from the lore but more because apparently the whispering voices around him were Black Speech! I think he's a baddie. Plus the Gandalf references (grey cloak, talking to small flying insects, hanging out with hobbits) are a bit on the nose.
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Post by Jordan on Sept 7, 2022 18:42:45 GMT 1
I can definitely see why people think he might be Gandalf, but I hope he isn't, not just because it would be a huge departure from the lore but more because apparently the whispering voices around him were Black Speech! I think he's a baddie. Plus the Gandalf references (grey cloak, talking to small flying insects, hanging out with hobbits) are a bit on the nose. It could be one of the other wizards perhaps? I was hoping that the blue ones would pop up at some point as so little is mentioned of them in any of the literature so they have total creative freedom to do what they want with them. And the show definitely does need a wizard! It's funny that you say you think the wizard vibes are a little on the nose though, as I felt the same about the evil vibes He literally arrived as a giant ball of fire, and the imagery after he landed was very eye-of-Sauron-esque. Not to mention the fire that didn't burn, which we first saw at the start of episode 1 in the ice palace that was 'so evil even the fire gives off no warmth' It really could go either way!
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Post by Bluewhalesroxs007 on Sept 8, 2022 10:18:57 GMT 1
Not started yet will hate doing weekly 🥹😡😂😂😂😂😂 Blown way awsom lenny henny in it Saying most expensive thing made 😳🤔🥹🤥🤥🤥😂😂😂 One better dis house dragons want see Not started Hollllaa Yoo Upppp
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Post by Razzle Dazzle on Sept 8, 2022 10:52:19 GMT 1
I think the wizard was "bad", fought for the wrong side, got corrupted but never was evil and now he is back amongst the good hobbit like people and nature he is fighting an inner battle to rid himself of the corruption which he will win
That's the vibe I'm getting anyway. Watched the first 2 episodes last night.
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Post by greendemon on Sept 8, 2022 11:40:51 GMT 1
I can definitely see why people think he might be Gandalf, but I hope he isn't, not just because it would be a huge departure from the lore but more because apparently the whispering voices around him were Black Speech! I think he's a baddie. Plus the Gandalf references (grey cloak, talking to small flying insects, hanging out with hobbits) are a bit on the nose. It could be one of the other wizards perhaps? I was hoping that the blue ones would pop up at some point as so little is mentioned of them in any of the literature so they have total creative freedom to do what they want with them. And the show definitely does need a wizard! It's funny that you say you think the wizard vibes are a little on the nose though, as I felt the same about the evil vibes He literally arrived as a giant ball of fire, and the imagery after he landed was very eye-of-Sauron-esque. Not to mention the fire that didn't burn, which we first saw at the start of episode 1 in the ice palace that was 'so evil even the fire gives off no warmth' It really could go either way! I do see what you mean. They have done it in such a (clumsy, imo) way that it looks like there are strong signals for either possibility being true! The talking to the fireflies and then having them all die was what really sold me on the evil side, though. It's quite a creepy reversal of Gandalf's shtick with the moth that after seeing that it was really hard for me to believe that he was Gandalf, who I don't believe would knowingly harm a living thing however small.
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