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Post by Razzle Dazzle on Sept 10, 2022 12:06:42 GMT 1
It's all a bit silly, the gatekeeping for things like this is always toxic, your not allowed to enjoy something at your own pace or enjoy anything that's not 100% true to the original source material and now you cant enjoy something if a completely different TV show is better or because a billionaire spent a lot of money creating the TV show.
Fine I ruined it for myself 😠by checking wedding photos on Instagram and a big review popped up on my news feed whilst I was scrolling, then another followed by loads of toxic top comments. Just because I'm posting it here doesn't mean I'm complaining about people on here.
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Post by Jordan on Sept 10, 2022 12:15:20 GMT 1
No one anywhere has said you can't enjoy something in exactly whichever way you so choose... Surely everyone should be enjoying it by watching it in their chosen way and making their own mind up on it?
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Post by TheThorne on Sept 10, 2022 12:24:58 GMT 1
what annoys me about all this is we have forgotten how bad things were. The Peter Jackson movies have just set such a high bar. In the 80s we had no fantasy tv shows the closest we had was Robin Of Sherwood. In the 90s the best we had was Xena. So not great. But what those shows lacked in special effects and budget, they made up with in either acting and atmosphere or entertainment and fun
So in many ways yes RoP is stunning and we are very lucky but it really wasn’t hard to make it better but I’m still watching . Just a shame we didn’t still have actors like Will Poulter in it who was going to be Elrond.
If we didn’t have these last twenty years of great sci and fantasy nobody would be so critical .
But again looking at it another way what are we supposed to watch instead? I watch about 3 hours of tv a day that’s quite a lot maybe. I am pretty update with the best shows and movies so how do I fill that time if I don’t watch shows like this that I should love?
Soaps, reality, sport, news, quiz shows. Rings Of Power is better than all of that for a start. So you are right we shouldn’t pay much attention to social media and just watch what we want, that’s what I used to do but I thought I’d spent a couple of months on the other side. If I hadn’t would I be raving about ROP, I didn’t pay attention to social media about Wheels Of Time and so far I am enjoying this less and pretty sure I would have anyway.
Dunno what I am whittering about anymore. But it seems really sad that people get more enjoyment out for watching YouTubers destroying a show than watching it and sadly I got that with She Hulk not there yet with ROP though.
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Post by Jordan on Sept 10, 2022 12:34:26 GMT 1
what annoys me about all this is we have forgotten how bad things were. The Peter Jackson movies have just set such a high bar. In the 80s we had no fantasy tv shows the closest we had was Robin Of Sherwood. In the 90s the best we had was Xena. So not great. But what those shows lacked in special effects and budget, they made up with in either acting and atmosphere or entertainment and fun I'm sorry but this seems non-sensical to me. Why are we best comparing today's shows to those of the 80s or 90s? Why is it unfair to compare today's shows with... today's shows? Some provide us with more entertainment today than others up for grabs.
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Post by greendemon on Sept 10, 2022 12:36:50 GMT 1
I was horrified when I found out that Will Poulter was originally supposed to be Elrond because I still associate him with the whiny kid in that one Narnia movie Then I Googled what he actually looks like now and he would have made a pretty good stand-in for Hugo Weaving. I do like Robert Aramayo in the role so far. I've probably gone the other way with RoP; I was so determined to give it a chance that I ignored all the critical YT videos that were coming out since the trailers were released - all of which were based on 'bad vibes' and nothing more, since obviously no-one had seen the show yet! YT knows I like Tolkien content though so it kept putting more and more anti-woke videos on my feed and I had to play whack-a-mole with the 'don't show me this channel again' feature.
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Post by Razzle Dazzle on Sept 10, 2022 12:38:18 GMT 1
Well I'm not enjoying the show the way I choose to watch it because people think my news feed is the place for their negative yelp reviews about Rings of Power (when did social media become all about moaning, criticism and negativity? I prefer the pre boomer social media era of music, love, friendship, sharing positive experiences and innovation, maybe that's more my issue here tbh), but as Greendemon says with the slower pace a lot of people will chose to binge watch rather than watch it 15 seconds after the episode drops then take to social media halfway through trothing at the mouth about a dwarf having the wrong shade of hair. Anyway lesson learned, this is how it is now, bunch of critics pinging off in my pocket telling me how sh*t something is without me ever asking their opinion lol, the future is here, not sure i like the invasive nature of it especially when its negative, it does ruin the experience and its becoming harder to avoid, I feel the YouTube recommended algorithm pain too
Everyone here keep enjoying it your way, I'm just chatting about my take on it as a casual, watch it 3 days after its released viewer, you don't need to agree
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Post by Jordan on Sept 10, 2022 12:43:24 GMT 1
I still fail to grasp how someone else disliking something should impact on anyone else's experience, but hey ho, perhaps I'm just less easily influenced or something. Hope those of you with strong enough will power to hold off until the series end do actually get a worthwhile experience when you do! Hopefully there'll be a '%&£@!*!!!' moment in one of the upcoming episodes which makes all this pay off
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Post by Razzle Dazzle on Sept 10, 2022 12:56:23 GMT 1
Negativity can be draining though, especially nit picking
Its like you waited 5 year to go to a top restaurant and your enjoying yourself, good food, perfect company and atmosphere then the person on the next table who you don't even know spent the entire time nit picking about the service taking too long when it was fine, the steak was cooked for 30 seconds too long, the carrots weren't prepared to their high standards, the décor wasn't to their taste etc, would it not detract from your enjoyment overhearing how much someone dislikes something, it 100% impacts on your experience, you don't have to be influenced by what they say for it to be annoying because nit picking is annoying which goes back to what I think Thorne was getting at when talking about the show being good but little parts aren't but instead of focusing on the fact the show is one of the best thing on tv, they focus on the little things they don't like
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Post by greendemon on Sept 10, 2022 12:59:17 GMT 1
I'm spending less and less time on Facebook so have managed to avoid spoilers so far (and haven't been on Twitter or Instagram in over a year), but it may also be that my friends are less likely to be talking openly about shows on social media for whatever reason. Hope those of you with strong enough will power to hold off until the series end do actually get a worthwhile experience when you do! Hopefully there'll be a '%&£@!*!!!' moment in one of the upcoming episodes which makes all this pay off While not being sure there'll be an 'oh ****' moment, there does need to be some kind of payoff. Hard to see what at the moment but I hope by the end of the season we know who the Stranger is.
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Post by Jordan on Sept 10, 2022 13:10:19 GMT 1
There are definitely a few 'YIKES' moments I can point towards which will surely be taking place at some point over the course of the 5 series. Unfortunately I can't think of enough for even one in each season...
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Post by greendemon on Sept 10, 2022 13:27:50 GMT 1
Yeah same. They'll obviously have invent some stuff.
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Post by TheThorne on Sept 10, 2022 13:32:07 GMT 1
what annoys me about all this is we have forgotten how bad things were. The Peter Jackson movies have just set such a high bar. In the 80s we had no fantasy tv shows the closest we had was Robin Of Sherwood. In the 90s the best we had was Xena. So not great. But what those shows lacked in special effects and budget, they made up with in either acting and atmosphere or entertainment and fun I'm sorry but this seems non-sensical to me. Why are we best comparing today's shows to those of the 80s or 90s? Why is it unfair to compare today's shows with... today's shows? Some provide us with more entertainment today than others up for grabs. Im talking about the 'toxic fandom' as Daz says they are being nitpicking about things but they forgrt the past when we were happy to get anything at all. We have to make do with an unfinished LOTR animated movie which was fine but they could at least have finished the damn thing. Now the internet moans when one character isnt how they think they should be. Im agreeing with you guys I am trying to give many points of view. Look at Marvel as well, super critical of everything we get now when nearly everything prior to Blade was awful, only exception maybe The Incredible Hulk 70s show which at least had heart. So yes we should try and watch things ourselves and enjoy it for what we got but its also not wrong to hope for better and not just accept what we are given. I have accepted and made the best of the Marvel Disney Tv shows but its gets to a point where you have to admit you are being taken for a ride and She Hulk was that show, ROP threatens that as well. I guess its the balance between being grateful and geninuely enjoying something.
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Post by TheThorne on Sept 10, 2022 15:07:18 GMT 1
And as if to prove the point, I think that was the best episode yet the bad reviews are getting more common. That was definitely LOTR, love the orcs having more personality. That was just about as good as the last HOTD episode for me,
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Post by greendemon on Sept 11, 2022 14:24:03 GMT 1
Having complained about Tolkien nerd videos that just seem to like crapping on the series, I thought I'd plug The Nerd of the Rings YouTube channel which is great; there are episode recaps on there that offer a balanced breakdown of the episodes. The guy who runs it is an avid Tolkien nerd, and is definitely sceptical about some of the departures the show has been making, but overall has a pretty fair take on it so far. (Haven't watched his episode 3 breakdown yet as I haven't seen that yet but enjoyed the first two).
There are also lots of really interesting lore videos unpacking what we know from Tolkien's writings about characters, kingdoms, concepts and all kinds of things. I've been enjoying the series about the origins of Melkor/Morgoth; it's quite helpful as background for the series.
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Post by Jordan on Sept 16, 2022 14:38:57 GMT 1
Finally an episode (4) I can rate as 'yeah, that was pretty good!'
Still feels a bit like it's just progressing towards something, but definitely feels like we're closer to it. Might next week be the week something pivotal happens??
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Post by TheThorne on Sept 16, 2022 17:25:14 GMT 1
Finally an episode (4) I can rate as 'yeah, that was pretty good!' Still feels a bit like it's just progressing towards something, but definitely feels like we're closer to it. Might next week be the week something pivotal happens?? Yes best yet a few cringey moments but good weird it’s getting the worst reviews yet from Mainstream media when they heaped praise On The first two .
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Post by Jordan on Sept 16, 2022 18:43:46 GMT 1
Finally an episode (4) I can rate as 'yeah, that was pretty good!' Still feels a bit like it's just progressing towards something, but definitely feels like we're closer to it. Might next week be the week something pivotal happens?? Yes best yet a few cringey moments but good weird it’s getting the worst reviews yet from Mainstream media when they heaped praise On The first two . There’s a crowded bandwagon for them to jump on now
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Post by Jordan on Sept 30, 2022 14:10:15 GMT 1
Something happened!
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Post by S1m on Oct 1, 2022 8:39:57 GMT 1
I was so knackered and inundated with work and good telly to watch that I let this show slip for a week and caught up on the last two episodes from my sick bed yesterday. I'm really glad I saw them back to back as it made a much more enjoyable experience with (as Jordan says) something actually happening!
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Post by Mart!n on Oct 7, 2022 11:57:20 GMT 1
Same here I saw the first 6 episodes back to back practically, 1 per evening, started a bit slow and after episode 6 crash, bang, wallop, something happened, now I'm waiting where it all goes tonight. I found watching the first 6 episodes back to back was the best thing going forward, and made more sense to me in the end.
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