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Post by Last Dreamer on Aug 12, 2024 7:14:43 GMT 1
91 teams won a medal, 2 fewer than in Tokyo. 5 medals were won by Individual Neutral Athletes but these did not appear on the medal table. 4 medals for Belarus and 1 for Russia. So it's the same number.
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Post by Panda on Aug 12, 2024 11:19:48 GMT 1
Most butchered rendition of the USA anthem I've ever heard. Just why... Other than that (from the bits I watched from when the athletes came into the stadium) - a much reserved but improved closing ceremony in comparison to the opening ceremony.
How the opening ceremony goes in LA could partly depend on who will be chosen as president in a few months. Hopefully I'll get to go to LA if my relative qualifies to compete for the US.
Which sport?
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Post by Pablo on Aug 12, 2024 20:29:09 GMT 1
Other than that (from the bits I watched from when the athletes came into the stadium) - a much reserved but improved closing ceremony in comparison to the opening ceremony.
How the opening ceremony goes in LA could partly depend on who will be chosen as president in a few months. Hopefully I'll get to go to LA if my relative qualifies to compete for the US.
Which sport? Swimming - specifically the women's 100m and 200m breaststroke.
At this years Olympic US trials, she finished about 5 seconds behind (Olympic finalist) Lily King in the 100m and 16 secs behind the eventual Olympic champ Kate Douglass in the 200m. She only turned 15 this year too.
LA might be a little too soon for her to compete, as all the Americans swimmers will be spurred on to compete at a home games. She's having a decent junior career so we'll see what happens in the next 4 years.
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Post by lordmelbury on Aug 13, 2024 1:10:04 GMT 1
7th in the medal table and worse performance since 2004.
Everyone is suddenly ignoring this relative failure and instead are looking at the number of medals won. I knew that would happen.
London 3rd, Rio 2nd, Tokyo 4th and now Paris 7th.
No stupid exploding balloons at the closing ceremony?. I know the MSM are waxing lyrical about a Scientologist actor ziplining for Christ sake. I find the sound of that even more cringeworthy than at London 2012 in which they made us think David Bowie was going to perform but instead it was an act "celebrating English tailoring".
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Post by lordmelbury on Aug 13, 2024 1:14:48 GMT 1
Wow! Sweden is only usefull in Eurovision! And tennis. I had a super crush on Stefan Edberg when I was younger! And Women's Football.... They were not long ago at No.1 on the FIFA World Rankings.
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Post by rubcale on Aug 13, 2024 7:34:41 GMT 1
7th in the medal table and worse performance since 2004. Everyone is suddenly ignoring this relative failure and instead are looking at the number of medals won. I knew that would happen. London 3rd, Rio 2nd, Tokyo 4th and now Paris 7th. Excellent point - there does need to be some realistic assessment and no "brushing" it under the table. Cycling in particular - 6 Golds the last two Games and only 2 this time. In Athletics Hudson-Smith and Kerr ran National Records in finishing 2nd so can't be faulted but both Kat on the Heptathlon and the women's 4x400m could have won Gold. Here's a realistic assessment of the Athletics from Give Me Sport: Ten medals for Team GB in the athletics is unquestionably an upgrade on their disappointing Tokyo Games, where they returned with just five. While there were some unqualified successes, like Keely Hodgkinson, Katarina Johnson-Thompson, and Georgia Bell, these Games will most likely be remembered more for the near misses. Josh Kerr and Matthew Hudson-Smith were both agonisingly overtaken just moments away from Olympic glory, while a poor final baton change in the women's 4x100m stopped the British women from claiming an unlikely gold. So, while these Games have clearly been a success for the Team GB athletics team, there is still an overwhelming sense of what might have been.
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Post by Panda on Aug 14, 2024 3:49:34 GMT 1
Final points table: (2020 position in brackets) (difference in points from 2020 shown after total) 1(1) United States 1014 (-35) 2(2) China 775 (+34) 3(9) France 724 (+275) 4(4) Great Britain 649 (-13) 5(8) Italy 544 (+48) 6(7) Australia 520 (+19) 7(5) Japan 510 (-126) 8(6) Germany 486 (-32) 9(10) Netherlands 398 (-17) 10(11) Canada 356 (+35) 11(13) Spain 310 (+53) 12(12) South Korea 285 (+14) 13(17) New Zealand 241 (+32) 14(15) Brazil 233 (+6) 15(14) Hungary 227 (-18) 16(19) Switzerland 166 (+14) 16(16) Ukraine 166 (-48) 18(18) Poland 149 (-41) 19(24) Belgium 144 (+15) 20(21) Sweden 136 (+1) 21(30) Norway 125 (+35) 21(33) Uzbekistan 125 (+44) 23(19) Turkiye 117 (-35) 24(35) Iran 112 (+34) 25(42) Romania 110 (+39) 26(33) India 108 (+27) 27(29) Mexico 105 (+14) 28(27) Czechia 104 (+9) 29(22) Denmark 95 (-37) 30(49) Ireland 94 (+41) 31(37) Kazakhstan 92 (+16) 32(40) Greece 91 (+19) 33(25) Chinese Taipei 90 (-31) 34(45) Bulgaria 81 (+12) 35(47) Colombia 80 (+14) 35(39) Kenya 80 (+7) 37(35) Croatia 79 (+1) 38(26) Serbia 78 (-21) 39(32) Jamaica 75 (-11) 40(53) Azerbaijan 72 (+23) 41(48) Portugal 71 (+9) 42(54) South Africa 70 (+22) 43(23) Cuba 69 (-61) 44(44) Israel 68 (-2) 45(38) Austria 67 (-8) 45(31) Georgia 67 (-19) 47(42) Egypt 61 (-10) 47(51) Ethiopia 61 (+10) 49(64) Thailand 60 (+27) 50(62) Ecuador 52 (+18) 50(--) North Korea 52 (+52) 52(60) Armenia 50 (+14) 53(65) Lithuania 49 (+19) 54(66) Kyrgyzstan 48 (+20) 54(40) Slovenia 48 (-24) 56(59) Philippines 45 (+7) 57(52) Indonesia 40 (-10) 58(46) Hong Kong 39 (-28) 59(55) Argentina 37 (-10) 60(75) Tunisia 36 (+17) 61(78) Bahrain 34 (+18) 61(55) Dominican Republic 34 (-13) 61(67) Nigeria 34 (+7) 61(58) Slovakia 34 (-9) 65(74) Moldova 33 (+13) 65(50) Mongolia 33 (-19) 67(71) Malaysia 32 (+8) 68(95) Algeria 30 (+22) 69(88) Peru 27 (+17) 70(84) Botswana 23 (+12) 71(84) Chile 22 (+11) 71(62) Finland 22 (-12) 71(88) Morocco 22 (+12) 71(83) Puerto Rico 22 (+9) 75(--) Tajikistan 21 (+21) 75(69) Uganda 21 (-4) 77(93) Cyprus 19 (+10) 78(72) Estonia 17 (-5) 79(88) Grenada 16 (+6) 80(76) Kosovo 15 (-3) 80(68) Qatar 15 (-11) 80(--) Saint Lucia 15 (+15) 80(57) Venezuela 15 (-31) 84(100) Guatemala 14 (+7) 84(78) Jordan 14 (-2) 84(60) Latvia 14 (-22) 84(95) Refugee Olympic Team 14 (+6) 88(69) Ivory Coast 13 (-12) 88(100) Singapore 13 (+6) 90(105) Albania 11 (+5) 91(80) Trinidad & Tobago 9 (-6) 92(105) Burkina Faso 8 (+2) 92(--) Dominica 8 (+8) 92(84) Pakistan 8 (-3) 92(111) Vietnam 8 (+3) 92(--) Zambia 8 (+8) 97(82) Fiji 7 (-7) 97(95) Panama 7 (-1) 99(--) Cape Verde 6 (+6) 100(95) Bermuda 5 (-3) 100(88) Costa Rica 5 (-5) 100(--) Saint Vincent & The Grenadines 5 (+5) 100(--) Zimbabwe 5 (+5) 104(72) Bahamas 4 (-18) 104(111) British Virgin Islands 4 (-1) 104(105) Liberia 4 (-2) 104(--) Papua New Guinea 4 (+4) 104(--) Paraguay 4 (+4) 104(76) San Marino (-14) 104(105) Syria 4 (-2) 111(--) Andorra 3 (+3) 111(--) Iraq 3 (+3) 111(--) Lebanon 3 (+3) 111(--) Lesotho 3 (+3) 111(84) Saudi Arabia 3 (-8) 111(--) Senegal 3 (+3) 117(120) Barbados 2 (0) 117(95) Bosnia & Herzegovina 2 (-6) 117(--) Kiribati 2 (+2) 117(--) United Arab Emirates 2 (+2) 121(--) Aruba 1 (+1) 121(115) Burundi 1 (-3) 121(--) Cayman Islands 1 (+1) 121(105) Eritrea 1 (-5) --(3) ROC * (-673) --(27) Belarus * (-95) --(80) Turkmenistan 0 (-15) --(88) Kuwait 0 (-10) --(93) North Macedonia 0 (-9) --(100) Ghana 0 (-7) --(100) Montenegro 0 (-7) --(100) Namibia 0 (-7) --(105) Mozambique 0 (-6) --(111) Niger 0 (-5) --(111) Suriname 0 (-5) --(116) Cameroon 0 (-3) --(116) Mauritius 0 (-3) --(116) Tanzania 0 (-3) --(116) Uruguay 0 (-3) --(120) Haiti 0 (-2) --(122) Eswatini 0 (-1) --(122) Luxembourg 0 (-1) --(122) Tonga 0 (-1) --(--) Afghanistan --(--) American Samoa --(--) Angola --(--) Antigua & Barbuda --(--) Bangladesh --(--) Belize --(--) Benin --(--) Bhutan --(--) Bolivia --(--) Brunei --(--) Cambodia --(--) Central African Republic --(--) Chad --(--) Comoros --(--) Congo --(--) Cook Islands --(--) Djibouti --(--) Democratic Republic of Congo --(--) East Timor --(--) El Salvador --(--) Equatorial Guinea --(--) Gabon --(--) Gambia --(--) Guam --(--) Guinea --(--) Guinea-Bissau --(--) Guyana --(--) Honduras --(--) Iceland --(--) Laos --(--) Libya --(--) Liechtenstein --(--) Madagascar --(--) Malawi --(--) Maldives --(--) Mali --(--) Malta --(--) Marshall Islands --(--) Mauritania --(--) Micronesia --(--) Monaco --(--) Myanmar --(--) Nauru --(--) Nepal --(--) Nicaragua --(--) Oman --(--) Palau --(--) Palestine --(--) Rwanda --(--) Saint Kitts & Nevis --(--) Samoa --(--) Sao Tome & Principe --(--) Seychelles --(--) Sierra Leone --(--) Solomon Islands --(--) Somalia --(--) South Sudan --(--) Sri Lanka --(--) Sudan --(--) Togo --(--) Tuvalu --(--) US Virgin Islands --(--) Vanuatu --(--) Yemen * - suspended from 2024 Olympics
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Post by Panda on Aug 14, 2024 3:54:38 GMT 1
Medals per sport for GB: (gold-silver-bronze)
Archery (0-0-0) Artistic Swimming (0-1-0) Athletics (1-4-5) Badminton (0-0-0) Boxing (0-0-1) Canoeing (0-2-2) Climbing (1-0-0) Diving (0-1-4) Equestrian (2-0-3) Golf (0-1-0) Gymnastics (1-0-2) Hockey (0-0-0) Judo (0-0-0) Modern Pentathlon (0-0-0) Rowing (3-2-3) Rugby Sevens (0-0-0) Sailing (1-0-1) Shooting (1-1-0) Skateboarding (0-0-1) Swimming (1-4-0) Table Tennis (0-0-0) Taekwondo (0-1-0) Tennis (0-0-0) Triathlon (1-0-2) Weightlifing (0-0-1)
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Post by Panda on Aug 14, 2024 4:00:33 GMT 1
SPOTY odds: 7/2 Keely Hodgkinson (athletics, 800m) 11/2 Luke Littler (darts) 7/1 Mark Cavendish (road cycling) 14/1 Molly Caudery (athletics, pole vault) 22/1 Adam Peaty (swimming) 25/1 Josh Kerr (athletics, 1500m) 25/1 Jude Bellingham (football) 25/1 Katarina Johnson-Thompson (athletics, heptathlon) 25/1 Matt Hudson-Smith (athletics, 400m) 33/1 Max Whitlock (gymnastics) 40/1 Emma Finucane (track cycling) SPOTY odds after the Olympics: (best odds shown) 8/15 Keely Hodgkinson 7/1 Luke Littler 20/1 Mark Cavendish 33/1 Tom Pidcock 50/1 Lando Norris 66/1 Alfie Hewett 66/1 Toby Roberts 66/1 James Anderson 66/1 Emma Finucane 200/1 Alex Yee (as short as 40/1 with some bookies)
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Post by Panda on Aug 14, 2024 4:41:28 GMT 1
7th in the medal table and worse performance since 2004. Everyone is suddenly ignoring this relative failure and instead are looking at the number of medals won. I knew that would happen. London 3rd, Rio 2nd, Tokyo 4th and now Paris 7th. Excellent point - there does need to be some realistic assessment and no "brushing" it under the table. Cycling in particular - 6 Golds the last two Games and only 2 this time. In Athletics Hudson-Smith and Kerr ran National Records in finishing 2nd so can't be faulted but both Kat on the Heptathlon and the women's 4x400m could have won Gold. Here's a realistic assessment of the Athletics from Give Me Sport: Ten medals for Team GB in the athletics is unquestionably an upgrade on their disappointing Tokyo Games, where they returned with just five. While there were some unqualified successes, like Keely Hodgkinson, Katarina Johnson-Thompson, and Georgia Bell, these Games will most likely be remembered more for the near misses. Josh Kerr and Matthew Hudson-Smith were both agonisingly overtaken just moments away from Olympic glory, while a poor final baton change in the women's 4x100m stopped the British women from claiming an unlikely gold. So, while these Games have clearly been a success for the Team GB athletics team, there is still an overwhelming sense of what might have been. You also have to look at what other countries did. France obviously had a massive boost as hosts. Japan's gold medal tally dropped, as is always the case in the Games after hosting, but stayed well above where they were pre-Tokyo and 8 of their golds came in wrestling, a sport in which GB had no representation in Paris. Australia remained about the same, which meant GB's numerous near misses dropped them below the Aussies. Netherlands had their best Olympics ever, despite not winning a single medal in the first 4 days, with most of their golds coming in sports GB previously dominated (4 in rowing, 3 in cycling, 2 in sailing), plus they won both hockey competitions. New Zealand had its best Olympics ever, while Canada had its best summer Olympics for 40 years. You mentioned Matt Hudson-Smith and Josh Kerr, KJT and the relay. There was also Amber Rutter, Tommy Fleetwood, one of the rowing finals where GB were pipped on the line by the Dutch, Adam Peaty narrowly missing out despite racing with Covid, the men's team pursuit who were pushing the Aussies all the way until Ethan Hayter slipped off his saddle. That's 9 silvers that could've easily been 9 golds on another day - that would've put GB 3rd on the medal table. Of course, ultimately golds is the main deciding factor on the medal table but it shouldn't be used as the sole factor for judging the overall performance of a team when there can be such fine margins that separate gold and silver and because it can be skewed so much by one sport or even one individual. The overall medal tally gives a more accurate reflection of how a nation has performed across the board, across all sports (and my points table, even more so) so while more gold medals would have been nice, I don't see it as the "failure" some are making it out to be.
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Post by o on Aug 14, 2024 9:08:41 GMT 1
People just want to knock us down, it's in the British psyche, have to have something to moan about. I assume we throw a lot of money at various sports (as we should) so to be 7th overall to me sounds like a success. It's a constant obsession in sports that we should be #1 all the time. Well done to everyone involved in all the sports, and of course Panda for keeping us so well informed!
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Post by Pablo on Aug 14, 2024 21:59:57 GMT 1
It's probably a good thing too that some Olympic Associations have gone down a total medal target, rather than gold medals - which is I think what GB are doing now. It avoids dealing the questions on why GB hasn't met the gold medal targets and less pressure on the athletes to get them.
Let's not forget that USA have had a really good games too, especially in the athletics but also in competitive sports USA are not known for like cycling/rowing, which bodes well for them in 4 years time.
What's not being talked about is the impact of Russia's (and Belarus) exclusion of this games. Russia got 70 odd medals in Tokyo but obviously nowhere near as big this time as neutral athletes, coming away with only a handful of medals. I think all countries in the top 10 of the medal table have benefitted in different ways but mainly USA and China.
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Post by Panda on Aug 28, 2024 18:49:46 GMT 1
Channel 4 Paralympics coverage:
Breakfast (8:00-11:00): Billy Monger and Vick Hope Daytime (11:00-15:00): JJ Chalmers Afternoon (15:00-18:00): Clare Balding and Rose Ayling-Ellis Evening (18:30-21:30): Clare Balding, Ade Adepitan, Ellie Simmonds The Last Leg (21:30-22:30): Adam Hills, Alex Brooker, Josh Widdicombe Highlights: (22:30-23:30) Josh Pugh and Gaz Choudhry
More4 (continuous coverage of team sports): Arthur Williams, Kate Ager, Rachael Latham
Commentators: Athletics: Sophia Warner, Nathan Stephens, Katherine Merry, Ronald McIntosh, Rob Walker Cycling: Jon Gildea, Joanna Rowsell, Simon Brotherton Equestrian: Lee McKenzie, Steven Wilde Swimming: Liz Johnson, Paul Noble, Marc Woods Wheelchair Basketball: Claire Griffiths, Dan Strange Wheelchair Rugby: Steve Brown, Jim Roberts, Claire Thomas Wheelchair Tennis: Louise Hunt, Jayant Mistry, Kat Downes
Pundits, reporters and contributors: Tanni Grey-Thompson, Libby Clegg, Danny Crates, Jodie "Fury" Ounsley, Ellie Robinson, Fats Timbo, Lenny Rush, Jordan Jarrett-Bryan, George Robinson, Ed Jackson, Louise Hunt, Milly Pickles
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Post by suedehead on Aug 28, 2024 18:58:55 GMT 1
Ellie Simmonds has just mentioned table tennis player Bly Twomey who goes to the school where I work, so I know her fairly well. She has her first match tomorrow morning.
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Post by suedehead on Aug 28, 2024 22:23:55 GMT 1
We've had a flautist playing the French National Anthem, Now we've had an a capella version of Ravel's Bolero. Great ceremony, shame about the adverts.
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Post by Panda on Aug 28, 2024 22:43:51 GMT 1
We've had a flautist playing the French National Anthem, Now we've had an a capella version of Ravel's Bolero. Great ceremony, shame about the adverts. It was a much better ceremony than the Olympics. Agree about the ads - I know Channel 4 has to fund the buying of the rights but many of the breaks seemed incredibly ill-timed. The commentary added very little as well.
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Post by suedehead on Aug 28, 2024 22:57:27 GMT 1
Time for a bit more about Bly Twomey who I mentioned earlier. She is the Sussex women's table tennis champion, a title she won around the time of her fourteenth birthday. That's the overall women's champion, not para table tennis champion. She was competing against able-bodied women. She's only been playing since she was eleven. A couple years or so ago, one of my colleagues challenged her to a match. He is ultra-competitive and would not have made any concessions. She wiped the floor with him.
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Post by Pablo on Aug 28, 2024 23:00:16 GMT 1
^ There is also extensive coverage on Channel 4 Sport YouTube channel showing all the sports. No Eurosport sharing nonsense in the Paralympics.
From the bits I saw, it looked a better opening ceremony than the Olympics one. I did laugh when Rob Walker said the Algerian Team "must have drank a bit of red" before the parade of athletes - even though they're an Islamic country.
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Post by Pablo on Aug 28, 2024 23:16:37 GMT 1
Also it never occurred to me that deaf people cannot enter the Paralympics and there is a separate IOC santioned -lympics (Deaflympics) competition.
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Post by Panda on Aug 29, 2024 0:11:20 GMT 1
I remember seeing a bit about the Deaflympics in the past on See Hear. I guess it's questionable how much of a disadvantage being deaf or hard of hearing would be in a lot of sports and there have been quite a few instances of deaf athletes competing at the Olympics (and winning medals).
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