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Post by Maximo Mark on Oct 11, 2005 16:53:34 GMT 1
I don't get why anyone would want to drop Beckham He's always put his all in for England, he was the best player we had in the 3 Denmark, Wales and Ireland games yet everyone says weh should drop him? The problem with the midfield is Lampard and Gerrard, they aren't midfielders you should play together. Oh, and Beckham's been playing much better for Madrid this season than Lampard or Gerrard have (And he's been playing on the right) but yes, we should drop Beckham
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Post by Admin on Oct 12, 2005 7:55:45 GMT 1
I'm sorry but Gerrard is class, beckham does the occasional 40 yard ball, gee whizz, he takes all the corners and free kicks and we see little return imo. If beckham was taken out of the equation maye gerrard and lampard would get more of the ball as we know sven bases his team around beckham.
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Post by Robin on Oct 12, 2005 9:25:41 GMT 1
Couldn't care less if we win, lose or draw tonight! If the England team don't show any interest in their performance then i'm certainly not going to!
Owen made himself sound like a right prat saying they lift their game for the big matches. Ok, maybe there is a slight improvement but we still ALWAYS lose: France, Portugal, Brazil etc etc!!
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Post by mypcsarabbtintwat on Oct 12, 2005 12:05:14 GMT 1
england better win grrrrrrrrrrrrr dont needs do better do grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr woofyyyyyyyyyyyyyy roofyyyyyyy moooooooo yooooooooooooooooooooooo wwaazzuuppppppp ;D
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Post by Maximo Mark on Oct 12, 2005 13:13:17 GMT 1
I'm sorry but Gerrard is class, beckham does the occasional 40 yard ball, gee whizz, he takes all the corners and free kicks and we see little return imo. If beckham was taken out of the equation maye gerrard and lampard would get more of the ball as we know sven bases his team around beckham. Gerrard IS class, i agree, but i don't think that he plays up to his potential for England as much as Beckham does. For me, England started to get worse when Nicky Butt left the set-up, whenever he played we looked good, because he was a defensive midfielder, it's what England need more than anything, maybe we do have too many 'superstars' in the squad but dropping becks for Phillips won't change much, we'll have a bit more pace on the wing but he won't improve the team that much, but if you put a defensive minded midfielder in the centre (Parker or Carrick, NOT hargreaves, Sven ) then we would improve more, so that means either Gerrard or Lampard has to go, Lampard plays better for England so Gerrard should be left out.
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Post by Maximo Mark on Oct 12, 2005 13:16:08 GMT 1
Couldn't care less if we win, lose or draw tonight! If the England team don't show any interest in their performance then i'm certainly not going to! Owen made himself sound like a right prat saying they lift their game for the big matches. Ok, maybe there is a slight improvement but we still ALWAYS lose: France, Portugal, Brazil etc etc!! You should care, at the moment we're joint 7th with France in who would be the top 8 seeds, if we don't beat Poland and whoever our net friendly's against then we probably wont be a top seed at the world cup and the chances are, we'll be in the 'Group of Death' again
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Post by Razzle Dazzle on Oct 12, 2005 18:23:35 GMT 1
Gerrard sucks ass for england, the only contribution good or bad i can remrember in the past 2 year is that sh*t backpass that cost us the france game
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Post by mypcsarabbtintwat on Oct 12, 2005 19:56:17 GMT 1
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Post by Zodiac on Oct 13, 2005 11:01:18 GMT 1
To be honest we need players like Wright-Phillips who can get in behind opposition defences... if that means sacrificing Beckham then fine by me (not that it's going to happen). We also need a more defensive minded midfielder (King looks fine in that position). At the moment Gerrard and Lampard are too worried about tracking back to do what they do best.
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Post by Admin on Oct 13, 2005 12:06:51 GMT 1
I thought gerrard has always looked good when I've watched him to be honest...I think we also miss scholesy...
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Post by Tom on Oct 13, 2005 12:27:41 GMT 1
Yesterday I had a moan about England and how they were playing. After the day I had yesterday I had a sneaky feeling it might be a good match and boy was it good. The high-tempo pressing game worked a treat and I can't remember the last time England dominated a game like last night. Let's hope we continue on from this over the coming months.
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Post by rubcale on Oct 13, 2005 14:44:55 GMT 1
I'm sorry but Gerrard is class, beckham does the occasional 40 yard ball, gee whizz, he takes all the corners and free kicks and we see little return imo. If beckham was taken out of the equation maye gerrard and lampard would get more of the ball as we know sven bases his team around beckham. Exactly, Andy. You must have had a preview of last night's script. Lampard was class.
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Post by Maximo Mark on Oct 13, 2005 15:55:36 GMT 1
Ooooh we play a defensive midfeilder and we put in our best performance for AGES
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Post by Maximo Mark on Oct 13, 2005 15:59:33 GMT 1
I'm sorry but Gerrard is class, beckham does the occasional 40 yard ball, gee whizz, he takes all the corners and free kicks and we see little return imo. If beckham was taken out of the equation maye gerrard and lampard would get more of the ball as we know sven bases his team around beckham. Exactly, Andy. You must have had a preview of last night's script. Lampard was class. He was, i think he was the best player we had last night, but i'd say it was more the fact he was playing with a defensive minded partner like Makelele or Essien at Chelsea rather than someone similar too him, Wright-Phillips wasn't really impressive, he played ok, but he wasn't in the game enough and his height is a huge disadvantage, every time someone sprayed a pass out wide to him in the air the left back always won the header, if you're going to play him then you need to always play it on the floor or only pass to him when hes unmarked. And Crouch was very good last night too, amazed at how well he did when he came on, the build up to Lampards goal was awesome
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Post by Zodiac on Oct 14, 2005 1:36:08 GMT 1
Well exactly. Lampard is so effective for Chelsea because he has Makelele there to safeguard the defence so he can concentrate on getting forward and attacking. I thought Wright-Phillips played well last night... Crouch on the other hand... well I just don't rate him... one half-decent season at a relegated Premiership club doesn't really scream international class striker to me but hey-ho... And do you really think we miss Scholes Andy? I thought he contributed little in well.. his final couple of YEARS as an international...
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Post by Robin on Oct 14, 2005 12:29:54 GMT 1
Good performance + no Beckham = new captain needed
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Post by Zodiac on Oct 14, 2005 12:48:54 GMT 1
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Post by Admin on Oct 14, 2005 13:20:01 GMT 1
Scholes towards the end was a shadow of his former self, I just remember him scoring many a goal from midfield, you could always rely on him to burst into the box at the right time and score crucial goals. I'm not sure about terry for captain, I thought gerrard.
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Post by Razzle Dazzle on Oct 14, 2005 13:53:38 GMT 1
if Gerrard plays we cant play lampard, thats a fact, only a moron would play both in the same team, que sven playing them both everytime there fit...its like in the 90's we sacraficed le tissier, one of the best ever english midfielders to play gazza because they couldent play in the same team.
From the last performance, if beckham stays on the right and plays balls in n takes free kicks like he can he will improve the right side by miles, wright phillips for me has done nothing in the last year, he was on form 2 year ago...so my team would be Robinson, A Cole, Terry, Campbell/ Ferdinand (pending on form n fitness), J Cole, King, Lampard, Beckham, Rooney, Owen
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Post by Admin on Oct 14, 2005 15:29:50 GMT 1
You cant not play gerrard, he's like one of the best midfielders in the world!
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