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Post by Tom on Dec 12, 2006 13:03:52 GMT 1
Yea it came across the wrong way, but when I read that I wasnt sure what he meant initially either. As a said he's a great coach, and on a one to one level the players really feel they learnt a lot. But I often wonder what he says in teamtalks, some of his post match comments when at Reading (especially at difficult times, he almost resigned in Oct 2001 after a poor home defeat to Swindon) left me puzzled, so I can imagine the players being confused.
It will be interesting to see if he learns from his mistakes. Coppell has, never getting carried away, taking each game one at a time (which breeds consistency) and also refusing to look at the league table, which I guess in a way means he treats the games almost as cup games. He also said if you ever feel you belong in the Premiership then you'll struggle. His Palace team were 10th and ended up being relegated in 1993. I got the impression Pardew (and some of the players) felt W Ham were now an established Premiership side after last season's success, which was always going to be a dangerous assumption to make.
Its amazing all the support he's got from other W Ham fans, although when he was at Reading I never once blamed him for defeats, always thinking it was the players fault or the No 2's fault. I firmly believed he'd eventually lead us into the Premiership so I thought he was doing a good job. The only problem I had with him was lying at a fans forum saying he was going to stay and lead us into the Premiership, when with hindsight at the time he must have been at least aware of W Ham's interest if not in talks with them. Also praising W Ham's fans not long after joining which felt like a dig at us, when he continually moaned about our fans in his time at Reading, never praising them. I can now understand his reasons for that though, the atmosphere wasnt great at our games, and the stadium was only ever half-full, two-thirds at most on average. He always got mych more support at W Ham, something I think he always wanted at Reading.
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Post by frag on Dec 12, 2006 14:11:36 GMT 1
I heard (on the veritable Southern FM ) that Verry Tenables was to become the new manager. That'd be your big name, then
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Post by Tom on Dec 12, 2006 20:04:02 GMT 1
I mentioned the problems with training since Kevin Keen took over as No 2. Well I think he was in charge of either Reading's U17 or U19 team when Pardew was at the club, and although they got some good results they didnt set the world on fire. Also before being promoted to assistant manager at W Ham he was reserve team coach, when he moved up the reserves were bottom (and still are i think). I was also going to say in my previous post that Pardew had meticoulous attention to detail, his pre match notes were put on the club's official website during the run-in to our 2002 promotion, and also gave an interesting insight. It hasnt seemed like he's had that attention to detail recently and it said in the Daily Mail that Pardew was having personal problems. I've found an interesting story below, I don't know how true this is, but if it is true I think Pardew has bigger things to worry about! "got another email from my journo mate... 'Sorry to disappoint. But the man has been having an affair with some women from Liverpool whose husband has been treatening to kill him (and yes, her husband could've)...so it's no wonder he's not been paying any attention to football. To make matters worse the women attempted suicide the other day....Pardew has not been interested in football for a while...(there's an injunction out which means the story cannot be printed just yet). how else could Christian Dailly get into a West Ham side? ?'"
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Post by Razzle Dazzle on Dec 12, 2006 23:50:13 GMT 1
thought he was shagging the norwich secretary lol, he either gets around or something dosent add up, not that i care...
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Post by Razzle Dazzle on Dec 13, 2006 12:58:59 GMT 1
Before even signing on the dotted line, Alan Curbishley has lined up his first capture as West Ham manager. And Charlton's Darren Bent is the £10 million man
haha, gotto love rumors, wudnt say no tho
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Post by rubcale on Dec 13, 2006 14:29:37 GMT 1
According to Five Live Curbishley is going to be announced this afternoon.
Goodie, let's hope he has the usual upsurge in form and they win at the weekend.
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Post by Razzle Dazzle on Dec 13, 2006 15:46:13 GMT 1
cant see them winning with no ferdinand or gabbidon, that = no decent centrebacks.
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Post by Tom on Dec 14, 2006 11:26:52 GMT 1
thought he was shagging the norwich secretary lol, he either gets around or something dosent add up, not that i care... Yea well tbh I'm not sure any of Pardew's activities outside football anymore, other than the "personal problems" mentioned in the paper! Apparently everyone knew about the secretary thing, had read the exchange of emails, and decided it was rubbish! Either way the Wigan match was an example of how his pre-match planning does seem to have suffered this season, his comments seem more vague, and I think he took a comfortable win for granted. Having just checked the match report it was very similar to our 2-0 defeat to Wigan, his first match in charge, (something he learned from in matches against Wigan later). So you'd think he'd remember, especially as W Ham played Wigan last year. Not surprised Curbs has taken over, although given the haste with which they appointed him it wasnt a surprise to hear Magnusson say he wanted him all along. That surprised me I knew the old board wanted Curbs in but not the new board. Finally they compared the records for Pardew at W Ham and Curbs at Charlton in the paper this morning. Curbs P720 W274 D187 L259 Win success rate 38% Pardew P163 W67 D38 L58 Win success rate 41% I know Pardew's record includes 2 seasons in the Championship but that's still surprising.
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Post by Razzle Dazzle on Dec 14, 2006 11:32:10 GMT 1
thought he was shagging the norwich secretary lol, he either gets around or something dosent add up, not that i care... Yea well tbh I'm not sure any of Pardew's activities outside football anymore, other than the "personal problems" mentioned in the paper! Apparently everyone knew about the secretary thing, had read the exchange of emails, and decided it was rubbish! Either way the Wigan match was an example of how his pre-match planning does seem to have suffered this season, his comments seem more vague, and I think he took a comfortable win for granted. Having just checked the match report it was very similar to our 2-0 defeat to Wigan, his first match in charge, (something he learned from in matches against Wigan later). So you'd think he'd remember, especially as W Ham played Wigan last year. Not surprised Curbs has taken over, although given the haste with which they appointed him it wasnt a surprise to hear Magnusson say he wanted him all along. That surprised me I knew the old board wanted Curbs in but not the new board. Finally they compared the records for Pardew at W Ham and Curbs at Charlton in the paper this morning. Curbs P720 W274 D187 L259 Win success rate 38% Pardew P163 W67 D38 L58 Win success rate 41% I know Pardew's record includes 2 seasons in the Championship but that's still surprising. stats can mean anything you want them to mean, only 20 of those wins were in the premiership for Pardew and charlton were a nowhere team for 5 year remember, compare the 2 premiership n can guarentee a different story
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Post by Tom on Dec 14, 2006 11:37:09 GMT 1
Yea well tbh I'm not sure any of Pardew's activities outside football anymore, other than the "personal problems" mentioned in the paper! Apparently everyone knew about the secretary thing, had read the exchange of emails, and decided it was rubbish! Either way the Wigan match was an example of how his pre-match planning does seem to have suffered this season, his comments seem more vague, and I think he took a comfortable win for granted. Having just checked the match report it was very similar to our 2-0 defeat to Wigan, his first match in charge, (something he learned from in matches against Wigan later). So you'd think he'd remember, especially as W Ham played Wigan last year. Not surprised Curbs has taken over, although given the haste with which they appointed him it wasnt a surprise to hear Magnusson say he wanted him all along. That surprised me I knew the old board wanted Curbs in but not the new board. Finally they compared the records for Pardew at W Ham and Curbs at Charlton in the paper this morning. Curbs P720 W274 D187 L259 Win success rate 38% Pardew P163 W67 D38 L58 Win success rate 41% I know Pardew's record includes 2 seasons in the Championship but that's still surprising. stats can mean anything you want them to mean, only 20 of those wins were in the premiership for Pardew and charlton were a nowhere team for 5 year remember, compare the 2 premiership n can guarentee a different story Yea I forgot that Charlton were an average Division 1 team (as it was called then) when I first became aware of football in the mid 90s. Also for years they yo-yoed up and down from the Premiership too.
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Post by Razzle Dazzle on Dec 14, 2006 12:29:07 GMT 1
And was Pardew that good last season or was he just lucky?
Statistically West Ham were the WORST side last season in the Premiership in allowing shots at their goal - they had relatively few shots on target as well. And yet they managed to keep out the goals and kept putting them away at the other end - a pattern that is unlikely to last in the long run
hence this year goals going in against and none going in for
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Post by Razzle Dazzle on Dec 14, 2006 12:39:49 GMT 1
Curbishley's main task wil be to restore discipline among some of his players following rowdy scenes at their Christmas party, as reported by the Daily Mirror.
"Drunk players mocked ex-boss Pardew, romped with scantily-clad girls and scuffled ... to shatter claims of being devastated by his sacking," the paper screams following the big night out at "swanky club" Silver in Mayfair.
"The jibe at Pardew came as the club DJ grabbed the microphone from defender Anton Ferdinand and proposed a toast to the departed Upton Park boss," it says. "Ferdinand, Reo-Coker, Carlton Cole, and old team-mate Elliot Ward all responded by booing and jeering loudly, then rolling around laughing. They then threw themselves on to the dance floor, pushing and shoving each other playfully to their favourite song 'Pow!', by rap star Lethal Bizzle.
"Things turned nasty at around 1am, however, when midfielder Hayden Mullins was caught up in a scuffle and was bundled out of an emergency exit by security guards before being told not to come back."
It might have helped if the players WAGs had been invited, but no, "the party was themed 'Hot Single Girls Only'."
As players vied for the attention of reality TV "stars" Aisleyene Horgan-Wallace and "busty" Makosi Mumbasi, conspicuous by their absence were Argentinian players Carlos Tevez and Javier Mascherano. One suspects it was more a case of better off staying at home than "bah humbug".
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Post by frag on Dec 14, 2006 18:49:57 GMT 1
Everything's a romp to the mirror, isn't it?
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Post by Tom on Dec 15, 2006 16:42:47 GMT 1
Bit of a joke really, I suspected the players might be pleased that Pardew had gone, but think they went a bit far with it. But then thats what Xmas parties for Premiership clubs are like isnt it?
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