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Post by daveyboy on Dec 17, 2007 5:53:48 GMT 1
You don`t like him - fair enough, but don`t try to say he is not that good.................he was head and shoulders above the rest in terms of vocal ability, stage presence and charisma. Leon is a dullard who can barely hold a note. thats exactly what you are doing to leon, the song is one hell of a grower The song left me feeling nothing after Leon sang it, I was thinking "where on Earth did they drag THAT up from?". It was transformed when Rhydian sang it - it sounded fabulous. But Leon will sell more of the single than Rhydian would have because Rhydian's demographic will include more middle aged and older people who don't buy singles. That's possibly why they structured the show to have Rhydian sing it last (when there would be much less time for people who were impressed by it to vote). They probably wanted Leon to win to get the Christmas no. 1 with a bigger sales number. I think Leon won not because of his vocal ability but because people (including Cowell and the show organisers) "liked him more". It wasn't really about the singing - but that's life in pop musicland.
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Post by Chris on Dec 17, 2007 8:41:42 GMT 1
Just been reading some letters on ITV Teletext saying it was "fixed for Leon to win". They say they couldn't get through to vote for Rhydian.
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Post by jazzieboy on Dec 17, 2007 9:38:25 GMT 1
Rhydian did the far better version of When You Believe and should have won for that reason. The vocals were far more powerful than Leon's. You really have no ear for music at all do you? He was singing in, what seemed to be, the wrong key I have to agree, Rhydian's version was terrible, Leon's had more emotion to it, more hunger.
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Post by Smurfie on Dec 17, 2007 10:16:39 GMT 1
The GMTV interview with Leon is one of the most awkward things I have seen for a long while. He has no screen presence or charisma at all.
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Post by HillOverkill on Dec 17, 2007 10:17:39 GMT 1
I managed to vote for rhydian, obv i didnt vote enough... well done leon atleast same difference didnt win though they ARE the new S Club, they arent gone yet.
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Post by Laurence on Dec 17, 2007 10:38:13 GMT 1
Why is everyone obsessed with this patriot voting? If viewers of the X-Factors only voted going by what country the contestants lived in, then Same Difference would've won due to the English vote. GET OVER IT - LEON WON! But to be fair it was a common thread in the show mentioned all the time by the presenters. It was pathetic to make it into this. I love some Scottish music acts (Belle and Sebastian, Travis, Franz Ferdinand etc..) but I thought Leon was crap and it was very much portrayed as every person in Scotland was ringing in for him because he was Scottish and no other reason. So when he did win it's difficult to be objective as to whether it was his 'talent' or just because where he was born.
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penny
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Post by penny on Dec 17, 2007 11:21:06 GMT 1
The GMTV interview with Leon is one of the most awkward things I have seen for a long while. He has no screen presence or charisma at all. I know, it was embarrassing to watch..........you could see Andrew Castle struggling to try and draw him out...............but the live performance was even worse.................it is a dire song to begin with but Leon made it sound like a funeral march - he was totally out of tune and stared down the camera lens like a frightened rabbit. I`m sure Simon Cowell will have seen a VT of it by now and will have reinforced his belief that Leon will need to disappear for about a year while they teach him the basic of performing and how to acquire the X Factor
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Post by Paul on Dec 17, 2007 11:22:51 GMT 1
Yay!!! I fianlly got to the end of all of the X Factor posts!!! Leon winning was a shock for me. I agree that he has been utterly lacking in personality and stage presence, and that his performances have wildly fluctuated every single week. Luckily for him, Saturday night was one of his best nights, save the winner's song. His vocals were very strong in places. There were a few things on Saturday that were designed to trip him up, and they backfired. Firstly, Simon canvassing the English vote for Same Difference only strengthtened the Scottish vote. No doubt we'll still be going on about this in future series, but as Stephen proved just last week, Scottish people will vote for fellow Scots because of their nationality. I don't agree it is the sole reason why he won (the journey sh*t and the sob stories also played a big role), but it was one reason. The second thing that backfired was the duets. Leon was given Kylie just so he would look awful in comparison. And despite having that horrible rabbit in the headlights expression as he has had all series, he pulled it off. Rhydian on the other hand had a totally incompatible duet with Katherine Jenkins. Had they picked a better song than YRMU, Somewhere for instance, it would have been MUCH better. What was more disappointing than Leon winning (and that is v disappointing IMO) is: 1. Not hearing SD or Niki's version of When You Believe 2. No Andi Peters at the record factory to prodcue the winning single 3. Jeff Brazier STILL somehow having a role in television On the positive side, how fantastic was SD's performance of All I Want For Christmas Is You?!
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Post by Chris on Dec 17, 2007 11:28:56 GMT 1
The GMTV interview with Leon is one of the most awkward things I have seen for a long while. He has no screen presence or charisma at all. Agreed. My wife said he looked awkward too.
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Post by jerri on Dec 17, 2007 11:46:06 GMT 1
The facts are more people picked up the phone and voted for Leon, so obviously he was the nations favorite.
I personally loved his version of the single. As for the Scottish Vote thing, there is more people in London than the whole of Scotland so if you all wanted Rydian to win you should of picked up the phone.
I thought KJ showed Rhydian up to be not a good as we thought, i think he will have work in theaters doing musicals he is no pop star.
There is a market for Same Difference out there.
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penny
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Post by penny on Dec 17, 2007 12:10:11 GMT 1
The facts are more people picked up the phone and voted for Leon, so obviously he was the nations favorite.
I personally loved his version of the single. As for the Scottish Vote thing, there is more people in London than the whole of Scotland so if you all wanted Rydian to win you should of picked up the phone.
I thought KJ showed Rhydian up to be not a good as we thought, i think he will have work in theaters doing musicals he is no pop star.
There is a market for Same Difference out there. Not necessarily..............more people were lucky enough to get through the engaged lines voting for Leon than those who were trying to get through for Rhydian.............the only real and true reflection on who had the most support would have been for both singles to have been released ...............I suspect the end result would have been a lot different
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Post by ManicKangaroo on Dec 17, 2007 12:14:34 GMT 1
Oh get over it Penny, I'm sure you wouldn't be taking that same approach if the role were reversed
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Post by ManicKangaroo on Dec 17, 2007 12:14:50 GMT 1
purely believe that Leon won the X Factor down to his performance with Kylie. That was a good collaboration and shame on all of you who said it would be rubbish. Get rid of those two hags at the end for next year, ie Sharon and Louis and bring in some proper judges. They acted appallingly when Kylie was singing. Wow was a great performance and will lift sales of the album. Also no surprise if track is charted on downloads. Good job and well done to Dannii Minogue for having the winner. She may not have as much talent as her big sis, but she sure can spot it. K
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Post by Smurfie on Dec 17, 2007 12:16:10 GMT 1
On the positive side, how fantastic was SD's performance of All I Want For Christmas Is You?! It was BEYOND fabulous. I see from the snippets shown on Lorraine Kelly's show that they have unimaginitively gone for the old "splice in X-Factor clips" in the Leon video. A montage of ugh.
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Post by Paul on Dec 17, 2007 12:18:52 GMT 1
On the positive side, how fantastic was SD's performance of All I Want For Christmas Is You?! It was BEYOND fabulous. I see from the snippets shown on Lorraine Kelly's show that they have unimaginitively gone for the old "splice in X-Factor clips" in the Leon video. A montage of ugh. I bet they do their age old trick of having the announcement of Leon winning just at the key change
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penny
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Post by penny on Dec 17, 2007 13:02:33 GMT 1
Oh get over it Penny, I'm sure you wouldn't be taking that same approach if the role were reversed Why are you being constantly rude to me...............I thought this was a forum where we could express our opinions ? I`m out of here
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Post by ManicKangaroo on Dec 17, 2007 13:07:18 GMT 1
I'm not being rude, but you can change the record
We know you're not happy with the result - life doesn't always go the way we want it to
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Post by zigzag on Dec 17, 2007 13:09:43 GMT 1
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Post by ManicKangaroo on Dec 17, 2007 13:10:27 GMT 1
by amazing you mean terrible, right?
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Post by LittleChristmasTurkey on Dec 17, 2007 13:18:27 GMT 1
Oh get over it Penny, I'm sure you wouldn't be taking that same approach if the role were reversed Why are you being constantly rude to me...............I thought this was a forum where we could express our opinions ? I`m out of here Sure you can express your opinion. But when your opinion is "waaaa waaa waaa I'm gonna stamp my feet and scream because I didn't get my way waaaa waaa waaaa why dont you all like me waaaa waaaa waaa " then we're entitled to express our opinions as well, and treat you like the silly little girl you are. Now, if you would like to discuss the merits and failings of each act - including Rhydian because he most definitely had some - then we might feel more inclined to treat you with a bit more respect.
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