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Post by ligerdog7 on May 3, 2010 0:28:30 GMT 1
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Post by Panda on May 3, 2010 1:19:32 GMT 1
Robertson's 9-7 up at the end of the second session. Two more sessions on Monday. First to 18 wins.
It's probably not on the red button at all as the whole thing is live on BBC2.
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Post by ligerdog7 on May 3, 2010 2:43:37 GMT 1
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Post by Elmer on May 3, 2010 9:40:47 GMT 1
This does not look good for Higgins or snooker in general. If World Snooker find Higgins guilty of wrongdoing, they may choose to make an example of him and give him a lengthy ban. It is possible they may view Mooney as the main culprit and be more lenient with Higgins. Much may depend on how they view Higgins' defence and also whether they are allowed to view the full, unedited video from the NOTW. The video shown on the NOTW's website has been heavily edited and I think it would be wrong for the governing body to base their judgement on that alone. Another factor would be the matches in question were World Series events, effectively exhibition tournaments. Although this does not excuse what has happened at ll, the consequences would be much more dire if they had been talking about throwing frames in a ranking event promoted by World Snooker. If Higgins were to lose his WPBSA membership, then I guess he would be removed from the world rankings though such speculation is pointless at this stage. For what's it's worth Neil Robertson will overtake Ronnie O'Sullivan in the rankings if he beats Graeme Dott in the World Championship final. I am completely shocked by this. There is no smoke without fire and even from the edited version I've seen I can't see a way Higgins can wriggle out of this. He looks completely relaxed and is quite confidently discussing ways he can throw frames. I don't think the issue is what type of competition it is. He is on video discussing throwing frames and that brings the whole game into disripute. Barry Hearn is just on the verge of resurrecting a game that is down on it's arse and believe me Higgins has gone if he is found guilty. As for rankings he'll either be expunged or his position frozen but it makes no difference as #17 will have all the benenfits of a #16 player. After two years all his points are gone anyway.
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Post by Earl Purple on May 3, 2010 10:03:02 GMT 1
Probably very easy to "throw" frames if you want without making it too obvious. Go for a few more risky shots. Lose position - they are usually so precise with their position so if they wanted they could probably lose position on purpose and it would not be as hugely obvious as missing a black off its spot or an easy red or the very obvious smashing into the balls to leave your opponent in.
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Post by Tom on May 3, 2010 13:33:53 GMT 1
The sad part of this is that Higgins has always been a player i've respected. I've hoped he would win many of his tournament finals. But if he's found guilty, and i haven't seen the video so can't really form an opinion one way or the other, then he would have lost my respect completely. His career would be over.
Haven't seen any of the final so far, intrigued by how today's play will go.
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Post by Panda on May 3, 2010 15:39:16 GMT 1
This does not look good for Higgins or snooker in general. If World Snooker find Higgins guilty of wrongdoing, they may choose to make an example of him and give him a lengthy ban. It is possible they may view Mooney as the main culprit and be more lenient with Higgins. Much may depend on how they view Higgins' defence and also whether they are allowed to view the full, unedited video from the NOTW. The video shown on the NOTW's website has been heavily edited and I think it would be wrong for the governing body to base their judgement on that alone. Another factor would be the matches in question were World Series events, effectively exhibition tournaments. Although this does not excuse what has happened at ll, the consequences would be much more dire if they had been talking about throwing frames in a ranking event promoted by World Snooker. If Higgins were to lose his WPBSA membership, then I guess he would be removed from the world rankings though such speculation is pointless at this stage. For what's it's worth Neil Robertson will overtake Ronnie O'Sullivan in the rankings if he beats Graeme Dott in the World Championship final. I don't think the issue is what type of competition it is. He is on video discussing throwing frames and that brings the whole game into disripute. I agree that it's unlikely to make much difference but it could be Higgins' only hope. Personally, I think Hearn will make an example of him and we won't see him playing snooker for a very long time, if ever.
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Post by Panda on May 3, 2010 18:25:57 GMT 1
12-10 to Robertson going into the final session.
You've got to question the wisdom of starting at 3pm this afternoon and 8pm in the evening. They were always going to struggle to get the frames in and it means we could have a possible 13 tonight. We could be on for another record late finish...
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Post by Elmer on May 3, 2010 19:10:08 GMT 1
12-10 to Robertson going into the final session. You've got to question the wisdom of starting at 3pm this afternoon and 8pm in the evening. They were always going to struggle to get the frames in and it means we could have a possible 13 tonight. We could be on for another record late finish... I'm sure it was always 2.15pm. It's crazy starting that late. It's ok when you've got an O'Sullivan in the final but nonsense otherwise.
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Post by ligerdog7 on May 3, 2010 20:17:24 GMT 1
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Post by -Big Dan- on May 4, 2010 0:56:23 GMT 1
Neil Robertson has won the World Championship, beating Graeme Dott 18-13!
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Post by suedehead on May 4, 2010 1:06:10 GMT 1
Once he got close to the finish line Robertson was brilliant. Why couldn't he have done that all along? I could have gone to bed ages ago.
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Post by musicfan2000 on May 4, 2010 1:06:16 GMT 1
well done both men.
great to see an aussi win. and graham dott back to top 16
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Post by Elmer on May 4, 2010 1:10:59 GMT 1
Yep I watched it all the way as I have since 1979. Pretty torrid stuff earlier on though !!! Well done Robertson
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Post by Panda on May 4, 2010 1:16:22 GMT 1
A very good final for three sessions. Fatigue just caught up with both players in the final session.
Robertson will make a great champion and depending on what happens with Higgins, may effectively be world #1.
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Post by ligerdog7 on May 4, 2010 2:05:41 GMT 1
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Post by Panda on May 4, 2010 17:13:13 GMT 1
Final end of season rankings after the World Championship:
(last season's rankings in brackets)
1(4) John Higgins 57820 points 2(9) Neil Robertson 48405 3(1) Ronnie O'Sullivan 47835 4(5) Ali Carter 46620 5(13) Ding Junhui 40975 6(2) Stephen Maguire 40495 7(3) Shaun Murphy 8(15) Mark Williams 9(7) Mark Selby 10(11) Mark Allen 11(10) Stephen Hendry 12(6) Ryan Day 13(28) Graeme Dott 14(8) Marco Fu 15(16) Mark King 16(27) Liang Wenbo 17(18) Jamie Cope 18(14) Peter Ebdon 19(12) Joe Perry 20(20) Ricky Walden 21(17) Barry Hawkins 22(23) Steve Davis 23(25) Stephen Lee 24(24) Michael Holt 25(26) Matthew Stevens 26(47) Mark Davis 27(30) Judd Trump 28(32) Gerard Greene 29(21) Stuart Bingham 30(44) Ken Doherty 31(19) Dave Harold 32(43) Andrew Higginson 33(38) Mike Dunn 34(39) Rory McLeod 35(37) Stuart Pettman 36(55) Robert Milkins 37(40) Jamie Burnett 38(29) Nigel Bond 39(22) Joe Swail 40(45) Marcus Campbell 41(49) Tom Ford 42(33) Anthony Hamilton 43(46) Martin Gould 44(42) Adrian Gunnell 45(34) Dominic Dale 46(41) Alan McManus 47(31) Fergal O'Brien 48(35) Ian McCulloch 49(61) Rod Lawler 50(64) Peter Lines 51(67) Matt Selt 52(36) Michael Judge 53(50) Andy Hicks 54(-) Tony Drago 55(51) David Gilbert 56(48) Jimmy Michie 57(52) Barry Pinches 58(57) Mark Joyce 59(58) David Morris 60(56) Jimmy White 61(63) Joe Delaney 62(-) Bjorn Haneveer 63(-) Jimmy Robertson 64(54) Paul Davies 65(53) John Parrott 66(72) Simon Bedford 67(60) Jin Long 68(-) James Wattana 69(69) Matthew Couch 70(73) Patrick Wallace 71(-) Zhang Anda 72(-) Joe Jogia 73(-) Michael White 74(-) Ben Woollaston 75(-) Xiao Guodong 76(-) Sam Baird 77(-) Craig Steadman 77(-) Thepchaiya Un-Nooh 79(65) David Gray 80(68) Lee Spick 81(71) Li Hang 82(59) Liu Song 83(70) Daniel Wells 84(-) Noppadol Sangnil 85(-) David Hogan 86(75) Atthasit Mahitthi 87(-) Brendan O'Donoghue 88(-) Mark Boyle 89(-) Mei Xiwen 90(-) Jordan Brown 91(-) Stephen Rowlings 92(-) Chris Norbury 93(62) David Roe 94(-) Lee Page 95(66) Ian Preece 96(74) Andrew Norman
It's worth noting that World Snooker are yet to publish the official ranking list.
I won't put the provisional rankings for the start of next season up yet as they could be meaningless if the players vote in favour of changes to the ranking system.
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Post by Earl Purple on May 4, 2010 17:24:08 GMT 1
Nice to see someone called Neil winning something I think this is the first time since 1980 and only the second time ever that the winner has been from outside the UK or Ireland.
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Post by Panda on May 4, 2010 17:26:48 GMT 1
I think this is the first time since 1980 and only the second time ever that the winner has been from outside the UK or Ireland. Correct. For what it's worth, Ding Junhui scored the most ranking points this season and would be provisional #1 heading into the first tournament of next season if the existing ranking system were to remain.
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Post by ligerdog7 on May 4, 2010 20:02:06 GMT 1
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