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Post by Shireblogger on Aug 18, 2009 22:19:27 GMT 1
Shireblogger's Top 10 British Triple Jumpers & Long Jumpers 1970-2009
Same complicated scoring system as reply #22 in this thread.
1. Jonathan Edwards (1990-2002) TJ 264 points 2. Phillips Idowu (2000-09) TJ 101 points 3. Keith Connar (1978-84) TJ 51 points 4. Ashia Hansen (1996-2002) TJ 45 points 5. Jade Johnson (2002-08) LJ 35 points 6. Larry Achike (1998-2008) TJ 28 points 7. Jo Wise (1998-2000) LJ 20 points 8. Susan Hearnshaw (1984) LJ 18 points 9. Chris Tomlinson (2004) LJ 16 points 10. Alan Lerwill (1970-74) LJ 14 points
Fiona May is 11th on this list. She'd be 2nd if she had retained British nationality for her entire career.
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Post by aeroco on Aug 18, 2009 22:30:37 GMT 1
Great result for Phillips tonight.
Winning for Christine always seemed to much of a task this time and Richards ran a very good time. Hope Christine re groups for the relays as we have a chance. Also hope she goes faster on the Grand Prix circuit before the end of the season.
The relays, women's marathon and women's 800m seem to be ourr best medal chances now. Any others?
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Post by Panda on Aug 19, 2009 8:48:23 GMT 1
Great result for Phillips tonight. Winning for Christine always seemed to much of a task this time and Richards ran a very good time. Hope Christine re groups for the relays as we have a chance. Also hope she goes faster on the Grand Prix circuit before the end of the season. The relays, women's marathon and women's 800m seem to be ourr best medal chances now. Any others? Possibly Lisa Dobriskey in the 1500m and maybe Mo Farah in the 5000m has an outside chance...
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Post by aeroco on Aug 19, 2009 10:04:28 GMT 1
Great result for Phillips tonight. Winning for Christine always seemed to much of a task this time and Richards ran a very good time. Hope Christine re groups for the relays as we have a chance. Also hope she goes faster on the Grand Prix circuit before the end of the season. The relays, women's marathon and women's 800m seem to be ourr best medal chances now. Any others? Possibly Lisa Dobriskey in the 1500m and maybe Mo Farah in the 5000m has an outside chance... Would be fantastic if these two runners do well. Is Paula confirmed yet? Can't find any news on her confirming the marathon following the NY HM.
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Post by Panda on Aug 19, 2009 10:20:11 GMT 1
There's been no confirmation yet but she did say she'd decide in 2 or 3 days...
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Post by aeroco on Aug 19, 2009 17:05:39 GMT 1
Fingers crossed she does but I suppose we don't want another performance where she breaks down half way through. It can't be good for her. These stress fractures, despite the best treatment and prevention money can buy, are her body's way of telling her to STOP excessive training.
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Post by aeroco on Aug 20, 2009 9:22:24 GMT 1
Paula confirmed this morning she won't be competing. Probably for the best in order for her body to recover from her last race as she has not raced much this year, if at all.
Wow at Jenny Meadows yesterday, was jumping out of my seat. If she had timed her kick even earlier, silver would have been hers. Liked Okoro's attitude - "one day I am going to go out fast and not fade, that is how the South African got gold" - I hope one day she achieves her goal. Big story re SeMANya! Thought she looked very boyish, but then Maria Muttola was extremely manly. If the IAAF think they are handling this discreetly then they are seriously deluded. I hope for athletics sakes she is a woman. It would be great to see a fit again Jelimo vs Semenya on the grand prix circuit. They would surely get close to the current drug assisted WR from the 80s.
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Post by Shireblogger on Aug 20, 2009 9:35:11 GMT 1
Agree with everything aeroco says about Meadows, Okoro and Semanya.
Its great to have such a wealth of talent in British women's athletics.
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Post by Elmer on Aug 20, 2009 11:57:07 GMT 1
I think Semanya looks positively model like compared to Kratochvilova in the 80s. If you look at all the womens track and field events other than the newish events and chinese world record holders nearly all of the stand from the 80s. Is it a lack of talent or do drugs seriously give you that much edge. I mean Lisovskaya's shot put world record is about 2.5m ahead of what the best women are doing today
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Post by Shireblogger on Aug 20, 2009 13:12:25 GMT 1
I think Semanya looks positively model like compared to Kratochvilova in the 80s. If you look at all the womens track and field events other than the newish events and chinese world record holders nearly all of the stand from the 80s. Is it a lack of talent or do drugs seriously give you that much edge. I mean Lisovskaya's shot put world record is about 2.5m ahead of what the best women are doing today It seems that (the right) drugs really do give you an enormous competitive advantage. For anyone interested in this, there are about 100 fascinating pages on the subject in the brilliant book "Sport: Almost Everything You Ever Wanted To Know" by Tim Harris. He takes every significant class of drug (recreational and unsporting) and explains how they affect the body, who has used them, what results they have achieved, how they are detected, and the current status on their use.
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Post by Elmer on Aug 20, 2009 14:08:39 GMT 1
I think Semanya looks positively model like compared to Kratochvilova in the 80s. If you look at all the womens track and field events other than the newish events and chinese world record holders nearly all of the stand from the 80s. Is it a lack of talent or do drugs seriously give you that much edge. I mean Lisovskaya's shot put world record is about 2.5m ahead of what the best women are doing today It seems that (the right) drugs really do give you an enormous competitive advantage. For anyone interested in this, there are about 100 fascinating pages on the subject in the brilliant book "Sport: Almost Everything You Ever Wanted To Know" by Tim Harris. He takes every significant class of drug (recreational and unsporting) and explains how they affect the body, who has used them, what results they have achieved, how they are detected, and the current status on their use. That's quite interesting I'll have to take a look at that. I first got into athletics round about the Moscow Olympics after I met Daley Thompson opening a local shop. It's mortifying now looking back that almost every great performance in the 80s was tainted in some way. In fact Daley's performances are probably one of the only ones I can trust !!
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Post by rubcale on Aug 20, 2009 14:27:27 GMT 1
I think Jenny Meadows "threw" a silver medal away.
We thought at first she might have snatched it but of she had she dipped for the line she surely would have done.
Can't really blame Okoro - she got caught up in the moment and went with the pace which killed her at the end but she certainly tried.
Given that she had the injury and couldn't prepare properly I think Christine Ohorougu did well running a season's best in the final.
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Post by aeroco on Aug 20, 2009 15:30:20 GMT 1
^ agree re Meadows, but a medal was definitely not expected but at best hoped for. I think she gained a bronze, rather than threw away the silver. Next time she may dip earlier and you never know! Besides, a silver may yet be hers....he he.
It was like when John Regis should have won 200m gold back in '87 (I think) but timed his dip wrong and ended up with the bronze.
There is only a split second for them to make a decision and so it is understandable that their dip is not perfectly executed. One of the best dippers ever was Colin Jackson, probably because he was always in with a shout and so had perfected the art of dipping.
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Post by Elmer on Aug 20, 2009 15:46:39 GMT 1
Yeah I remember the John Regis race. There was quite a lull in 200m racing that year and he could so easily have won. Once the Olympics came round Joe De Loach and Carl Lewis ran 19.7s and that was that.
Colin Jackson quite often dipped under the photo finish and took a while to work out his times. What a beautiful hurdler though and a shame he never won the Olympics.
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Post by Shireblogger on Aug 20, 2009 16:18:07 GMT 1
I think she gained a bronze, rather than threw away the silver. A fair analysis. I think she was still accelerating when she reached the line, making it even harder to time her dip. She moved up from 4th and onto the podium over her last two strides. Meadows will have learnt masses from this race:- The importance of running her own tactics, rather than reacting to her rivals; How much ground she can make up over the final 200-300 metres; That she is a world class athlete; The value of timing her dip to perfection.
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Post by Panda on Aug 20, 2009 20:49:19 GMT 1
I can't really add anything that hasn't already been said regarding last night...
I wasn't expecting a great deal from tonight, despite Usain Bolt being in action but how wrong I was!
19.19! And he was knackered! Could he possibly go under 19 seconds?
What a star Will Sharman could turn out to be. From British #2 to 4th in the world in the space of a few days, and PB after PB... I do wonder what a fully fit Andy Turner could've done in this Championship.
A British record for Greg Rutherford in long jump qualifying. I hope either he or Tomlinson can break the record again the final and grab a surprise medal.
And another PB for Emily Freeman to make the final of the 200m.
Plus a thrilling high jump competition (how eerie was it when Friedrich was jumping in silence?) and almost a world record in the 400m hurdles...
From a British perspective, this has been a great World Championships and there could be more to come. In overall terms, this has possibly been the best World Championships ever...
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Post by rubcale on Aug 21, 2009 16:08:48 GMT 1
From a British perspective, this has been a great World Championships and there could be more to come. In overall terms, this has possibly been the best World Championships ever... I know where you are coming from - amedal is not a right and you can't expect more from athletes than that they try 100% and come up with PBs BUT from the general public's point of view the number of medals is disappointing. It's hard to see where another one is going to come from - if Tomlinson could only jump as he does in other competitions possibly but I don't even think the women's 4 x400m has a realistic chance of one. Perhaps Lisa Dobriskey can get her tactics right but I wouldn't put any money on it.
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Post by Panda on Aug 21, 2009 20:57:08 GMT 1
If the men's 4x100m team get the baton round, they should get a bronze. Possibly better if Jamaica or the USA messes up. GB looked good in the semi.
The men's 4x400m have a chance as well. There were 7 different nationalities in the 400m final but only 4 of them actually have a team in the relay.
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Post by Panda on Aug 21, 2009 21:12:47 GMT 1
The US sprint relay team has been disqualified!
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Post by Panda on Aug 21, 2009 21:15:00 GMT 1
If that DQ is upheld, that means GB are the fastest qualifiers for the final by 4 tenths of a second, though Jamaica do have Bolt and Powell to come into the team for the final.
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