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Post by ThinWhitePuke on Dec 14, 2010 19:07:23 GMT 1
I think he was just stating the obvious there tbh, gay sex out in Qatar is punishable by death. But that's the whole point. Should FIFA be holding the tournament in such a country? No it shouldn't be held there but not many if any gays are likely to go anyway, football is a very macho sport not the sort of sport gays are likely to be attracted to (look how Fashanu was hounded to his death by football fans for being gay for instance)
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Post by ThinWhitePuke on Dec 14, 2010 20:50:45 GMT 1
For the record I am not being homophobic just stating that a sport in which homophobia among fans is so rife is unlikely to appeal to gay people I wouldn't have thought
1 in 10 of the population is gay but in the 30 years of following football I can think of 3 players that have come out, if the national average is true then probably 1 in 10 footballers are gay but have to hide it because of homophobic abuse from fans
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Post by suedehead on Dec 14, 2010 21:16:43 GMT 1
But that's the whole point. Should FIFA be holding the tournament in such a country? No it shouldn't be held there but not many if any gays are likely to go anyway, football is a very macho sport not the sort of sport gays are likely to be attracted to (look how Fashanu was hounded to his death by football fans for being gay for instance) Oh, grow up. When will you manage to make a point without rehashing some boring old stereotype? I happen to be one of many gay football supporters. You could argue that we are proportionately more likely to want to go as we generally don't have family commitments. Qatar have - rightly - been forced to allow alcohol in at least some areas and - again, rightly - to place no restrictions on people with an Israeli stamp in their passsport (as well as the Israeli team if they qualify). They should also have had to promised that no gay men would be prosecuted for having sex in their hotel room.
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Post by ThinWhitePuke on Dec 14, 2010 21:32:48 GMT 1
No it shouldn't be held there but not many if any gays are likely to go anyway, football is a very macho sport not the sort of sport gays are likely to be attracted to (look how Fashanu was hounded to his death by football fans for being gay for instance) Oh, grow up. When will you manage to make a point without rehashing some boring old stereotype? I happen to be one of many gay football supporters. You could argue that we are proportionately more likely to want to go as we generally don't have family commitments. Qatar have - rightly - been forced to allow alcohol in at least some areas and - again, rightly - to place no restrictions on people with an Israeli stamp in their passsport (as well as the Israeli team if they qualify). They should also have had to promised that no gay men would be prosecuted for having sex in their hotel room. Aah I didn't realise you were gay or had forgotten But even still does it not affect you going to games and hearing homophobic chants and "get up you f***ing poofter/pansy/insert homophobic name here" like happens at football grounds all the time ?
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Post by suedehead on Dec 14, 2010 21:44:00 GMT 1
Oh, grow up. When will you manage to make a point without rehashing some boring old stereotype? I happen to be one of many gay football supporters. You could argue that we are proportionately more likely to want to go as we generally don't have family commitments. Qatar have - rightly - been forced to allow alcohol in at least some areas and - again, rightly - to place no restrictions on people with an Israeli stamp in their passsport (as well as the Israeli team if they qualify). They should also have had to promised that no gay men would be prosecuted for having sex in their hotel room. Aah I didn't realise you were gay or had forgotten But even still does it not affect you going to games and hearing homophobic chants and "get up you f***ing poofter/pansy/insert homophobic name here" like happens at football grounds all the time ? You learn to ignore it and wonder how people can survive with so few brain cells. You also forget that I'm a Brighton supporter. Brighton supporters are often greeted at away grounds with chants of "Does your boyfriend know you're here" which I must admit I find mildly amusing. That doiesn't detract from your extraordinary assumption that there are very few gay football fans.
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Post by ThinWhitePuke on Dec 14, 2010 21:49:17 GMT 1
Aah I didn't realise you were gay or had forgotten But even still does it not affect you going to games and hearing homophobic chants and "get up you f***ing poofter/pansy/insert homophobic name here" like happens at football grounds all the time ? You learn to ignore it and wonder how people can survive with so few brain cells. You also forget that I'm a Brighton supporter. Brighton supporters are often greeted at away grounds with chants of "Does your boyfriend know you're here" which I must admit I find mildly amusing. That doiesn't detract from your extraordinary assumption that there are very few gay football fans. I just didn't imagine gay people would enjoy a homophobic environment which essentially football grounds are I refuse to believe there has only been 3 gay footballers in the last 30 years (1 hounded to his death by homophobic fans) so there must be a hell of a lot of players hiding their sexuality out of fear. I just didn't think the football environment would appeal to gay people but sounds like I am wrong
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Post by suedehead on Dec 14, 2010 21:55:41 GMT 1
I'm sure there are plenty of gay footballers in the premiership but your attitude - that gay men just aren't interested in football - can't exactly encourage them to come out.
It's going to need either severla high profile players coming out together or one player flanked by respected players (if there are any left) with a macho image to say something along the lines of "Yeah, I've known he's gay for a long time. So what? He's still my mate and that's what matters". Either that or a player will go public when he retires.
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Post by suedehead on Dec 21, 2010 20:57:08 GMT 1
The international players union has backed calls for the 2022 tournament to be played in January. After all, air-conditioned stadiums are all well and good but what are the supporters supposed to do for the rest of their time. Even many Qataris leave the country in the summer because of the heat.
Obviously that would disrupt leagues around the world but there is plenty of time to come up with solutions. In England, part of the problem could be resolved by scrapping the League Cup for that season which would free up a load of midweek dates.
The biggest problem with a June/July World Cup has always been that many of the top players are not at their best after a long season. That wouldn't apply to a January tournament.
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Post by vastar iner on Dec 21, 2010 21:52:45 GMT 1
Obviously that would disrupt leagues around the world but there is plenty of time to come up with solutions. In England, part of the problem could be resolved by scrapping the League Cup for that season which would free up a load of midweek dates. Hey! That's not fair, we have an outside shot of winning that one. Would it not make FAR more sense to scrap the Champions' League? That'll save a whole bunch of fixtures all over Europe.
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Post by o on Dec 21, 2010 22:10:44 GMT 1
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Post by Mart!n on Jan 7, 2011 14:28:12 GMT 1
Looks like the comp will be held later in the year, when its cooler, Sepp Platter just announced a winter comp.
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Post by pilsleyguy on Jan 7, 2011 15:52:25 GMT 1
Sounds a sensible idea to me - it would be just too hot in the summer. It will probably mean having a break in the middle of the normal domestic season here.
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Post by suedehead on Jan 7, 2011 16:55:41 GMT 1
It would also mean having to finish the qualifiers by May or June rather than November. Still, it's 11 years away so there's plenty of time to sort something out.
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Post by raliverpool on Jan 7, 2011 19:36:10 GMT 1
With a bit of luck this will lead to the top club sides refusing to release players without compensation; and the beginning of the end of this immoral FIFA old boys club.
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Post by suedehead on Jul 9, 2011 0:44:10 GMT 1
A winter tournament seems to have been ruled out - for now at least. So our friends at FIFA have come up with another bright idea. Why not play three thirds of 30 minutes? After all, that means more commercial breaks and more revenue.
The temperatures in Doha over the last month - when the tournament is due to be played - have been in the mid 40s Celsius. As far as I know, that is normal for the time of year. Let's just hope the corruption allegations lead to the 2022 bid being reopened. Of course, I won't be holding my breath.
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Post by Tom on Jul 10, 2011 12:03:51 GMT 1
A winter tournament seems to have been ruled out - for now at least. So our friends at FIFA have come up with another bright idea. Why not play three thirds of 30 minutes? After all, that means more commercial breaks and more revenue. The temperatures in Doha over the last month - when the tournament is due to be played - have been in the mid 40s Celsius. As far as I know, that is normal for the time of year. Let's just hope the corruption allegations lead to the 2022 bid being reopened. Of course, I won't be holding my breath. Quite agree, although hadn't really thought of the commercial implications of 3 x30, which i thought had since been dismissed? When i saw this thread had been bumped with i thought for a second that it was in reply to a post i'd made as was going to make a similar point on Wednesday! It was bonkers to begin with, at the Australian Open tennis they actually suspend play when the temperature gets into the high 30s (although not for matches in play bizarrely) and if anything this is a worse situation as in tennis you at least get a break every other game and longer at the end of a set. Tbh atm i'm gonna give the tournament a wide berth unless it moves from Qatar, im already beginning to think that June football is just an inconvienience based on the few games i saw on TV or live this year. The matches are going to be absolutely dire (and they rarely seem to live up to the hype in a WC anyway). Thats without extra-time... And as Martin Samuel said in his column on Wednesday they don't seem to have given consideration to health and safety. Its all well and good having air con inside the stadium but what about the fans getting there, and staying out in Qatar? From what i've been told its seriously uncomfortable out there at this time of year and worth avoiding.
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Post by suedehead on Jul 10, 2011 15:22:45 GMT 1
I made a similar point at the time the tournament was awarded. Of course there isn't a lot to do in Qatar but I'm sure supporters don't want to spend the whole time in a hotel. Even a lot of Qataris leave the country in the summer because it's too hot.
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Post by vastar iner on Jul 10, 2011 15:52:32 GMT 1
I went there one May. Seriously hot during the day, occasionally there's a sea breeze in Doha. It's a lot more bearable at night. Daytime matches though will be a no-go. Unless they close the stadia and aircondition the pitches.
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Post by Panda on Jul 10, 2011 19:20:28 GMT 1
As much as I hate to defend FIFA, the 3x30 idea was nothing to do with them. It came from the company that is set to provide the air-con in 2022.
Some may think FIFA were just using them to test the waters, so to speak, but FIFA are far too arrogant to care what the public think about such things.
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