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Post by Panda on Oct 13, 2012 0:07:13 GMT 1
European Group G: Pos | Team | Pld | GD | Pts | 1 | | 3 | +10 | 7 | 2 | | 3 | +3 | 7 | 3 | | 3 | +3 | 7 | 4 | | 3 | 0 | 4 | 5 | | 3 | -5 | 0 | 6 | | 3 | -11 | 0 |
Group favourites Greece and Bosnia played out a goalless draw, which allowed Slovakia to move level on points with them. Bosnia's 8-1 win over Liechtenstein last month is enough to ensure they stay top on goal difference.
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Post by Panda on Oct 13, 2012 0:13:11 GMT 1
European Group H: Pos | Team | Pld | GD | Pts | 1 | | 3 | +10 | 7 | 2 | | 2 | +6 | 4 | 3 | | 2 | +2 | 4 | 4 | | 2 | 0 | 2 | 5 | | 3 | -7 | 1 | 6 | | 2 | -11 | 0 |
With Montenegro not in action, England returned to the top of the group with a routine 5-0 win over San Marino. But arguably the most important result of the night was Ukraine being held to a 0-0 draw in Moldova.
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Post by Panda on Oct 13, 2012 0:20:54 GMT 1
European Group I: Pos | Team | Pld | GD | Pts | 1 | | 2 | +5 | 6 | 2 | | 2 | +3 | 6 | 3 | | 3 | 0 | 4 | 4 | | 2 | -1 | 1 | 5 | | 3 | -7 | 0 |
Spain continue their winning start ahead of Tuesday's huge game against France. Georgia earned a point in Finland to keep in touch with the top 2.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 13, 2012 12:36:19 GMT 1
Typical England riding their luck with wierd results in other matches while doing the impossible of making a 5-0 win look so unconvincing and boring. They really did take their time to reach three goals and it was only scoring quickly in succession with two of them that hid the embarrassment. Even winning 5-0 against them is an achievement for San Marino to keep the score down to that; they usually lose 6-0 or worse. That's 113 matches, 1 win, 4 draws and 108 defeats. The bookies should be taking bets on when they reach 500 goals in the conceded column, score their 20th goal or get their second ever win.
It's so common to hear stuff like "Why have they got a national football team?", "why even bother", "What a waste of time and money people pay to see their teams play against cr@p like this?". Well this is my two cents worth in the whole thing.....
1) How can FIGSC (San Marinese FA) make money by playing teams of their strength all the time?, if they play the likes of Andorra every two weeks or so, not many people will travel to San Marino to watch the game, the attendances will be small and travelling support of these teams is non-existent, unlike Wales for example. San Marino thrives on tourism as its main source of income into the country more than most because of its small size.
2) Players get experience playing against the likes of Messi etc
3) Football shouldn't be just about winning, okay it is a results business, but it should also be about enjoying your football. San Marino provide the international arena with this, as they know they're going to get beat all the time, but still get out on that pitch and play every time. I'm suprised FIGSC have not dissolved the team yet, like one African government did to theirs a few years back, so San Marino must be doing something right considering their resources and football development opportunities, not to mention tiny population.
In other news, steering away from European Microstates and minnows, Wales FINALLY win!!!!. Now here's hoping they can build on from this and start a winning run of matches.
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Post by Panda on Oct 13, 2012 13:37:38 GMT 1
Typical England riding their luck with wierd results in other matches while doing the impossible of making a 5-0 win look so unconvincing and boring. They really did take their time to reach three goals and it was only scoring quickly in succession with two of them that hid the embarrassment. Even winning 5-0 against them is an achievement for San Marino to keep the score down to that; they usually lose 6-0 or worse. That's 113 matches, 1 win, 4 draws and 108 defeats. The bookies should be taking bets on when they reach 500 goals in the conceded column, score their 20th goal or get their second ever win. England weren't great last night but they could easily have had 10 if things had gone their way - hit the woodwork, some good saves from the keeper, a couple of penalty not given. I don't get the "riding their luck" thing. England haven't lost an active qualifying game for 5 years. They've qualified for the last two tournaments on the strength of their own results, not because of anyone else's. Unless you win every single game, surely that's how ANY team qualifies for a tournament? San Marino's goals conceded per game in qualifying campaigns: 2012 - 53 in 10 games (5.3 per game) 2010 - 47 in 10 (4.7) 2008 - 57 in 12 (4.75) 2006 - 40 in 10 (4) 2004 - 30 in 8 (3.75) 2002 - 30 in 8 (3.75) 2000 - 44 in 8 (5.5) 1998 - 42 in 8 (5.25) 1996 - 36 in 10 (3.6) 1994 - 46 in 10 (4.6) 1992 - 32 in 8 (4)
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Post by o on Oct 13, 2012 14:11:04 GMT 1
I agree, could easily have been 10, but for some bad misses, woodwork and good saves from the keeper.
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Post by Panda on Oct 13, 2012 14:23:58 GMT 1
South America: Pos | Team | Pld | GD | Pts | 1 | | 8 | +12 | 17 | 2 | | 8 | +8 | 16 | 3 | | 8 | +3 | 16 | 4 | | 8 | +1 | 12 | 5 | | 8 | -3 | 12 | 6 | | 8 | -1 | 11 | 7 | | 8 | -4 | 8 | 8 | | 8 | -5 | 5 | 9 | | 8 | -11 | 4 |
The South American table seems to be taking shape at the halfway stage as no teams moved positions on the 9th matchday. The top 3 pull clear after all winning. Uruguay's poor run of form continues but they remain in the top 4 after Chile also lost and Venezuela weren't in action. Three goals in 15 minutes for Argentina saw off Uruguay, with Lionel Messi getting two and Sergio Aguero scoring the other. Colombian star Falcao has been instrumental in his team's climb up the table and he scored both goals in their win over Paraguay. Paraguay remain rooted to the foot of the table and the 2010 quarter-finalists look unlikely to be appearing in Brazil.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 13, 2012 16:07:59 GMT 1
Well, fair enough that England qualify on their own results, instead of relying on others, but if they qualified for Euro 2008, they would be thanking Israel for beating Russia, when the Russians were the favorites. It was ridiculous the amount of lifelines England had for that qualifying cycle, only never to take any of them.
Ukraine really should be hot on their heals, with the amount of goals scored against San Marino being the main decider in goal difference if they're level on points, but it's not working out that way, in fact not even the Montenegrins are anywhere near. It's going to be yet another at-a-canter qualifying campaign that England usually get, only to lose in the quarter finals on penalties in the main tournament. Against Andorra a few years ago, the goals were flying in like airplanes onto a runway, but last night England made a huge meal and struggle of it, it felt like a Lada slowly driving to its destination.
San Marino really are not progressing are they?.
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Post by Panda on Oct 13, 2012 17:29:03 GMT 1
CONCACAF 3rd round, Group A: Pos | Team | Pld | GD | Pts | 1 | | 5 | +3 | 10 | 1 | | 5 | +3 | 10 | 3 | | 5 | 0 | 7 | 4 | | 5 | -6 | 1 |
A huge day in Group A and a great one for the USA, who salvaged their qualification hopes with Eddie Johnson's last minute winner in Antigua. They then saw Jamaica lose 2-1 in Guatemala - a result which leaves the Reggae Boyz' hopes hanging by a thread. Guatemala and the USA remain joint leaders with identical records and they will both qualify for the final round if their game on Tuesday ends as a draw. Jamaica need to beat Antigua and hope there is a winner in the USA-Guatemala game, with the combined margin of victory being 4 goals. Antigua's failure to win ends their slim qualification hopes.
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Post by Panda on Oct 13, 2012 17:36:49 GMT 1
CONCACAF 3rd round, Group B: Pos | Team | Pld | GD | Pts | Q | | 5 | +11 | 15 | 2 | | 5 | +2 | 7 | 3 | | 5 | -1 | 5 | 4 | | 5 | -12 | 1 |
El Salvador missed the chance to qualify for the next round by losing at home to Costa Rica, who leapfrog them into 2nd place. Costa Rica will progress if they beat Guyana on Tuesday, with El Salvador needing to win in Mexico to stand any chance of going through.
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Post by Maximo Mark on Oct 13, 2012 17:40:29 GMT 1
England's four wins against Andorra have been 5-0, 3-0, 6-0 and 2-0. I'm not sure any of them saw goals fly in. Twice it was 0-0 at half time.
I don't see what more England could've done last night. It's ridiculous playing against teams like that where they don't even try to attack, even when they get a free-kick near the half way line they don't push anyone up or attempt to get towards the box. You never get a chance to really run at them because they let you have the ball with at least 9 players defending at all times. Everything is so crowded and at least England's play wasn't predictable and was reasonably varied. You're never going to learn anything from games like those anyway.
86% possession and over 30 attempts at goal, as others have said it could easily have been double figures, woodwork hit at least twice, missed chances from the six yard box and at least one more penalty which should've been given.
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Post by Panda on Oct 13, 2012 17:43:59 GMT 1
CONCACAF 3rd round, Group C: Pos | Team | Pld | GD | Pts | 1 | | 5 | +4 | 10 | 2 | | 5 | +3 | 10 | 3 | | 5 | +2 | 8 | 4 | | 5 | -9 | 0 |
Panama are another team who missed the opportunity to seal their place in what the Americans refer to as "the Hex" as they drew 0-0 with Honduras. However, they are still in pole position as a draw in their final game with Cuba will be enough for them to progress. Canada face a head-to-head with Honduras for a place in the final round, with the Canadians just needing a draw. Honduras must win to stand any chance of going through. If they don't win, both Canada and Panama will progress.
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Post by Panda on Oct 13, 2012 18:04:14 GMT 1
Oceania 3rd round: Pos | Team | Pld | GD | Pts | 1 | | 3 | +9 | 9 | 2 | | 3 | +6 | 6 | 3 | | 3 | -7 | 3 | 4 | | 3 | -8 | 0 |
New Zealand continued their winning start with a 2-0 over Tahiti, who are out unless they win all their remaining games. New Caledonia scored 4 goals in the last 12 minutes against the Solomon Islands to keep the pressure on New Zealand.
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Post by Panda on Oct 13, 2012 18:11:56 GMT 1
THE HAVEN WORLD CUP WALL | ALB | ALG | | AND | ANG | | | ARG | ARM | | AUS | AUT | AZE | | | | | BLR | BEL | | BEN | | BOL | BIH | BOT | BRA | | BUL | BFA | | | | CMR | CAN | CPV | | CTA | | CHI | | COL | | CGO | | CRC | CRO | | | CYP | CZE | COD | DEN | | | | | ECU | EGY | SLV | ENG | EQG | | EST | ETH | FRO | | FIN | FRA | GAB | GAM | GEO | GER | GHA | GRE | | GUA | GUI | | | | HON | | HUN | ISL | | | IRN | IRQ | IRL | ISR | ITA | CIV | JAM | JPN | JOR | KAZ | KEN | | | | LVA | LIB | LES | LBR | LBY | LIE | LTU | LUX | | MKD | | MWI | | | MLI | MLT | | MEX | MDA | | MNE | | MAR | MOZ | NAM | | NED | NCL | NZL | | NIG | NGA | | NIR | NOR | OMA | | | PAN | | PAR | PER | | POL | POR | | QAT | ROU | RUS | RWA | | SMR | | | SCO | SEN | SRB | | SLE | | SVK | SVN | SOL | | RSA | KOR | ESP | | | | | SUD | | SWZ | SWE | SUI | | TAH | | | TAN | | TOG | | | TUN | TUR | | | UGA | UKR | | USA | URU | | UZB | | VEN | | WAL | | ZAM | ZIM |
Eliminated:* = past qualifier red = 2010 qualifier East Timor | 02/07/2011 | lost to Nepal in Asian 1st round | Afghanistan | 03/07/2011 | lost to Palestine in Asian 1st round | Cambodia | 03/07/2011 | lost to Laos in Asian 1st round | Macau | 03/07/2011 | lost to Vietnam in Asian 1st round | Mongolia | 03/07/2011 | lost to Burma in Asian 1st round | Pakistan | 03/07/2011 | lost to Bangladesh in Asian 1st round | Sri Lanka | 03/07/2011 | lost to Philippines in Asian 1st round | Taiwan | 03/07/2011 | lost to Malaysia in Asian 1st round | Turks & Caicos Islands | 09/07/2011 | lost to Bahamas in CONCACAF 1st round | Anguilla | 10/07/2011 | lost to Dominican Republic in CONCACAF 1st round | British Virgin Islands | 10/07/2011 | lost to US Virgin Islands in CONCACAF 1st round | Aruba | 12/07/2011 | lost to St. Lucia in CONCACAF 1st round | Montserrat | 17/07/2011 | lost to Belize in CONCACAF 1st round | Bangladesh | 28/07/2011 | lost to Lebanon in Asian 2nd round | Burma | 28/07/2011 | lost to Oman in Asian 2nd round | Hong Kong | 28/07/2011 | lost to Saudi Arabia in Asian 2nd round | India | 28/07/2011 | lost to United Arab Emirates in Asian 2nd round | Kyrgyzstan | 28/07/2011 | lost to Uzbekistan in Asian 2nd round | Laos | 28/07/2011 | lost to China in Asian 2nd round | Malaysia | 28/07/2011 | lost to Singapore in Asian 2nd round | Maldives | 28/07/2011 | lost to Iran in Asian 2nd round | Nepal | 28/07/2011 | lost to Jordan in Asian 2nd round | Palestine | 28/07/2011 | lost to Thailand in Asian 2nd round | Philippines | 28/07/2011 | lost to Kuwait in Asian 2nd round | Turkmenistan | 28/07/2011 | lost to Indonesia in Asian 2nd round | Vietnam | 28/07/2011 | lost to Qatar in Asian 2nd round | Yemen | 28/07/2011 | lost to Iraq in Asian 2nd round | Syria | 19/08/2011 | disqualified after fielding ineligible player against Tajikistan in Asian 2nd round | Bahamas | 22/08/2011 | withdrew from CONCACAF 2nd round | Barbados | 07/10/2011 | eliminated in CONCACAF 2nd round | Cayman Islands | 07/10/2011 | eliminated in CONCACAF 2nd round | Curacao | 07/10/2011 | eliminated in CONCACAF 2nd round | Dominican Republic | 07/10/2011 | eliminated in CONCACAF 2nd round | St. Lucia | 07/10/2011 | eliminated in CONCACAF 2nd round | US Virgin Islands | 07/10/2011 | eliminated in CONCACAF 2nd round | Belize | 11/10/2011 | eliminated in CONCACAF 2nd round | Bermuda | 11/10/2011 | eliminated in CONCACAF 2nd round | Dominica | 11/10/2011 | eliminated in CONCACAF 2nd round | Nicaragua | 11/10/2011 | eliminated in CONCACAF 2nd round | Puerto Rico | 11/10/2011 | eliminated in CONCACAF 2nd round | Grenada | 15/10/2011 | eliminated in CONCACAF 2nd round | St. Vincent & Grenadines | 15/10/2011 | eliminated in CONCACAF 2nd round | Mauritius | 31/10/2011 | withdrew from African 1st round | Haiti* | 11/11/2011 | eliminated in CONCACAF 2nd round | Indonesia* | 11/11/2011 | eliminated in Asian 3rd round | North Korea* | 11/11/2011 | eliminated in Asian 3rd round | Singapore | 11/11/2011 | eliminated in Asian 3rd round | St. Kitts & Nevis | 11/11/2011 | eliminated in CONCACAF 2nd round | Suriname | 11/11/2011 | eliminated in CONCACAF 2nd round | Tajikistan | 11/11/2011 | eliminated in Asian 3rd round | Trinidad & Tobago* | 11/11/2011 | eliminated in CONCACAF 2nd round | United Arab Emirates* | 11/11/2011 | eliminated in Asian 3rd round | Burundi | 15/11/2011 | lost to Lesotho in African 1st round | Chad | 15/11/2011 | lost to Tanzania in African 1st round | China* | 15/11/2011 | eliminated in Asian 3rd round | Comoros | 15/11/2011 | lost to Mozambique in African 1st round | Djibouti | 15/11/2011 | lost to Namibia in African 1st round | Eritrea | 15/11/2011 | lost to Rwanda in African 1st round | Guinea-Bissau | 15/11/2011 | lost to Togo in African 1st round | Madagascar | 15/11/2011 | lost to Equatorial Guinea in African 1st round | Sao Tome & Principe | 15/11/2011 | lost to Congo in African 1st round | Seychelles | 15/11/2011 | lost to Kenya in African 1st round | Swaziland | 15/11/2011 | lost to Democratic Rep. of Congo in African 1st round | Somalia | 16/11/2011 | lost to Ethiopia in African 1st round | Cook Islands | 24/11/2011 | eliminated in Oceania 1st round | Tonga | 24/11/2011 | eliminated in Oceania 1st round | American Samoa | 26/11/2011 | eliminated in Oceania 1st round | Bahrain | 29/02/2012 | eliminated in Asian 3rd round | Kuwait* | 29/02/2012 | eliminated in Asian 3rd round | Saudi Arabia* | 29/02/2012 | eliminated in Asian 3rd round | Thailand | 29/02/2012 | eliminated in Asian 3rd round | Papua New Guinea | 04/06/2012 | eliminated in Oceania 2nd round | Samoa | 05/06/2012 | eliminated in Oceania 2nd round | Vanuatu | 05/06/2012 | eliminated in Oceania 2nd round | Fiji | 06/06/2012 | eliminated in Oceania 2nd round | Cuba* | 11/09/2012 | eliminated in CONCACAF 3rd round | Antigua & Barbuda | 12/10/2012 | eliminated in CONCACAF 3rd round | Guyana | 12/10/2012 | eliminated in CONCACAF 3rd round |
Confederation | Entries | Eliminated | Remaining | Europe | 53 | 0 | 53 | South America | 10 | 0 | 10 | CONCACAF | 35 | 26 | 9 | Africa | 52 | 12 | 40 | Asia | 43 | 33 | 10 | Oceania | 11 | 7 | 4 |
204 entered, 126 remain
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Post by Deleted on Oct 13, 2012 18:42:36 GMT 1
I was referring to the 6-0 in 2009. The first goal came well, well before 34 mins, and England just couldn't stop scoring, the amount of time between each goal didn't feel long.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 13, 2012 18:44:27 GMT 1
CONCACAF 3rd round, Group C: Pos | Team | Pld | GD | Pts | 1 | | 5 | +4 | 10 | 2 | | 5 | +3 | 10 | 3 | | 5 | +2 | 8 | 4 | | 5 | -9 | 0 |
Panama are another team who missed the opportunity to seal their place in what the Americans refer to as "the Hex" as they drew 0-0 with Honduras. However, they are still in pole position as a draw in their final game with Cuba will be enough for them to progress. Canada face a head-to-head with Honduras for a place in the final round, with the Canadians just needing a draw. Honduras must win to stand any chance of going through. If they don't win, both Canada and Panama will progress. I so hope Canada make it.
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Post by Tom on Oct 14, 2012 11:29:14 GMT 1
6-0 to England tonight, love to see high scoring goals from England tonight. England don't usually get huge scores in games but having been regularly been putting 4 or 5 past teams like Croatia and Bulgaria in the last few years, I wouldn't rule out something very big tonight. I've had a few quid on 9-0 and 10-0 just in case... Went to the game and 6-0 was my expectation too, would have loved to have seen double figures, so was pretty disappointed with the end result. In the 2nd half up until the goals went in there was a lot of frustration in the stadium and I was increasingly getting fed up in that period. A shame, as the atmosphere pre-match both inside the stadium and in the pub was the best i've heard it for an England game. Incidentally, in the pub we even had the pleasure of meeting Mr Pompey! We'd spotted him in the pub before a game in the past but this was the first time i'd met him, think i was too shy before I know he's not universally popular but he clearly loves his football.
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Post by Tom on Oct 14, 2012 11:37:04 GMT 1
Personally I didn't find the match wasinspirational, it was more like a walk in the park for England against a very weak team. What were you expecting? Nothing much really. Tbf to Martin, I can see his point. At times we thought it was sloppy from England, i've already mentioned in the post above about how dull the 2nd half was up until the goals went in, which also were down the far end from us. Just didn't think we looked particularly motivated, if we had been then double figures may well have been possible.
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Post by Tom on Oct 14, 2012 11:51:49 GMT 1
Interesting, having read through the rest of the thread, the reaction is more positive than I thought! I think the main problem for me, other than the result not matching my expectations, is the style of play we produced. I know that's Hodgson style and it is good that we are trying to keep possession, but I thought against a team like San Marino we should have mixed it up more. At times we looked like we were trying to score the perfect goal, and i haven't seen it back but I wasn't convinced by the first half penalty either which was at our end. Bringing Carroll on actually wasn't worth it as i knew we wouldn't change our style for him, and apart from one header from a cross that he had that was exactly what happened.
Having not seen any highlights I also didn't realise we were denied other penalties, which ones were they?
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Post by Panda on Oct 14, 2012 12:39:17 GMT 1
i haven't seen it back but I wasn't convinced by the first half penalty either which was at our end. Having not seen any highlights I also didn't realise we were denied other penalties, which ones were they? It was a definite penalty. The keeper came flying out, Welbeck knocked the ball past him, and the keeper just took his legs out. The keeper's assault on Walcott early on should've been a pen and there was one of the set pieces where an England player (can't rememebr who) was simply wrestled to the floor by a defender and it wasn't spotted by the officials. There was another strong penalty shout during the first half but it was rightly turned down.
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