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Post by Panda on Sept 25, 2011 13:03:31 GMT 1
Try counts:
Fiji 1-2 Samoa Ireland 9-2 Russia Argentina 1-0 Scotland
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Post by paulgilb on Sept 26, 2011 17:29:13 GMT 1
Pool D:
Wales 81-7 Namibia (Namibia exit the tournament with 4 defeats and no bonus points)
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Post by paulgilb on Sept 27, 2011 23:09:12 GMT 1
Pool A: Canada 23-23 Japan These 2 teams also drew when they met in 2007! Japan leave the tournament with only the 2 points from this match. Pool C: Italy 27-10 USA
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Post by paulgilb on Sept 28, 2011 17:54:14 GMT 1
Pool B:
Georgia 25-9 Romania
Georgia's failure to score a bonus point eliminates them from the competition. Romania exit with 4 defeats and no bonus points.
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Post by Panda on Sept 28, 2011 19:39:42 GMT 1
Try counts: Wales 12-1 Namibia Canada 3-2 Japan Italy 4-1 USA Georgia 1-0 Romania
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Post by Panda on Sept 28, 2011 19:47:44 GMT 1
Standings going into the final round of pool matches:
POOL A 1. New Zealand (Q) 3-15 2. France 3-10 -------------------------- 3. Canada 3-6 4. Tonga 3-5 5. Japan 4-2
POOL B 1. England 3-14 2. Argentina 3-10 --------------------------- 3. Scotland 3-10 4. Georgia 3-4 5. Romania 4-0
POOL C 1. Ireland 3-13 2. Australia 3-10 --------------------------- 3. Italy 3-10 4. USA 4-4 5. Russia 3-1
POOL D 1. South Africa 3-14 2. Wales 3-10 ---------------------------- 3. Samoa 3-10 4. Fiji 3-5 5. Namibia 4-0
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Post by Panda on Sept 28, 2011 20:02:19 GMT 1
Scenarios for this weekend's games: (other scenarios involving points difference may also come into play)
POOL A New Zealand have already qualified as group winners. France will qualify if they avoid defeat against Tonga or take a bonus point. Canada will qualify if they get a bonus point win over New Zealand and France fail to pick up any points against Tonga. Tonga will qualify with a bonus point win over France (with France picking up no bonus) and Canada failing to beat New Zealand
POOL B England will qualify if they pick up a bonus point against Scotland, with Scotland picking up no bonus. England will qualify as group winners if they avoid defeat against Scotland. Scotland will qualify with a bonus point win over England, with England getting no bonus. Scotland will qualify as group winners with the above scenario and Argentina failing to pick up maximum points against Georgia. Argentina will qualify with a bonus point win over Georgia. Argentina will qualify as group winners with a bonus point win over Georgia and England pick up no points against Scotland.
POOL C Ireland will qualify as group winners if they avoid defeat against Italy. Australia will qualify with a bonus point win over Russia or by picking the same number of/more points than Italy. Australia will qualify as group winners if they beat Russia and Italy beat Ireland. Italy will qualify if they beat Ireland or if they pick up more points than Australia. Italy will qualify as group winners if they beat Ireland and Australia fail to beat Russia.
POOL D South Africa will qualify as group winners if they avoid defeat against Samoa. Wales will qualify if they pick up the same or more points than Samoa. Wales will qualify as group winners with a bonus point win over Fiji and South Africa picking up no points. Samoa will qualify with a bonus point win over South Africa or if they pick up more points than Wales. Samoa will qualify as group winners with a bonus point win over South Africa, with South Africa picking up no bonus point and Wales not picking up maximum points. Fiji can still mathematically qualify but only by overturning a huge points difference.
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Post by paulgilb on Sept 30, 2011 17:24:45 GMT 1
Pool D:
South Africa 13-5 Samoa
South Africa top the group. Wales will be through if they either avoid defeat to Fiji, score a bonus point, or lose by fewer than 39 points with Fiji scoring 4+ tries. If Wales do not qualify, then Fiji will qualify if they win by 84+ points, else Samoa qualify.
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Post by paulgilb on Oct 1, 2011 17:48:32 GMT 1
Pool A:
France 14-19 Tonga
France's bonus point guarantees them a place in the quarter-finals, as even if Canada thrash NZ, France will be ahead on head-to-head. There is still the issue of whether Canada or Tonga will finish 3rd (and get automatic qualification for the next tournament) - for Canada to do it, they will either have to win or draw and score 4+ tries.
Pool B:
England 16-12 Scotland
England top the group, Argentina will go through if they avoid defeat to Georgia (or score a bonus point).
Pool C:
Australia 68-22 Russia
Australia go through, Ireland will join them if they avoid defeat to Italy. Even if Ireland lose, they will still go through if they get both bonus points and Italy do not get a bonus point (which is possible!).
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Post by Panda on Oct 1, 2011 23:23:59 GMT 1
Another mediocre display from England but they always looked like they were playing slightly within themselves. They almost seemed happy just to keep Scotland within reach and accept the bonus point if necessary, rather than go all-out to win.
Scotland will be heartbroken but the truth is they simply haven't been good enough. They haven't scored a single try in their last three games and that is not the sort of form worthy of a quarter-final place.
A great win for Tonga over France, who've been very poor (but then England were in the first round four years ago and ended up in the final) but they'll really be regretting losing to Canada...
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Post by Panda on Oct 1, 2011 23:27:06 GMT 1
Try counts: South Africa 1-1 Samoa Australia 10-3 Russia France 1-1 Tonga England 1-0 Scotland
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Post by paulgilb on Oct 2, 2011 11:54:19 GMT 1
Pool A:
New Zealand 79-15 Canada (Tonga thus finish 3rd in the group)
Pool B:
Argentina 25-7 Georgia (Argentina advance, Scotland are out)
Pool C:
Ireland 36-6 Italy (Ireland top group, Italy are out)
Pool D:
Wales 66-0 Fiji (Wales through, Fiji out)
Knockout stage:
Ireland v Wales England v France South Africa v Australia New Zealand v Argentina
The last 8 is 'split' into 2 hemispheres (the winners of the top 2 will play each other in the semis)!
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Post by Panda on Oct 2, 2011 15:00:36 GMT 1
Try counts: Argentina 3-1 Georgia New Zealand 12-2 Canada Wales 9-0 Fiji Ireland 3-0 Italy
If matches were decided by tries scored, the standings would've looked like this: (4 points for win, 2 for draw, 1 for scoring 4 tries in match)
POOL A 1. New Zealand 20 2. France 12 3. Canada 8 4. Tonga 4 5. Japan 2
POOL B 1. England 18 2. Argentina 13 3. Scotland 7 4. Georgia 6 5. Romania 0
POOL C 1. Australia 17 2. Ireland 15 3. Italy 10 4. USA 4 5. Russia 0
POOL D 1. South Africa 16 2. Samoa 13 3. Wales 12 4. Fiji 5 5. Namibia 0
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Post by paulgilb on Oct 8, 2011 10:53:33 GMT 1
England 12-19 France Ireland 10-22 Wales
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Post by Paddy on Oct 8, 2011 12:12:55 GMT 1
France will trounce Wales.
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Post by Tom on Oct 8, 2011 16:02:13 GMT 1
France will trounce Wales. Wouldn't say that at all. Missed the first 15 mins of 1st half and first 5 of 2nd half of England-France. They were good today but they were helped by the fact that England were poor.. Would have been interesting to have seen what would have happened if France had been behind, they're better as front runners. And only saw the 2nd half but Wales were impressive against Ireland, could easily have won by 18 pts as two of their kicks hit the post. All in all with both sides playing well i think its going to be a close match, and i only said to someone yesterday that whilst the Ireland-Wales match was 50/50 it wouldn't surprise me if Wales reached the final. Hoping Wales will win but whatever happens the future is very bright for them with such a young side.
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Post by Paddy on Oct 8, 2011 16:19:37 GMT 1
Group A final imo.
France V NZ.
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Post by Tom on Oct 9, 2011 11:10:34 GMT 1
Saw last 20 mins or so of NZ-Arg this morning and NZ were struggling until Arg went down to 14 men before then pulling away to win by the sort of margin i thought they'd win by.
Argentina will be part of a new Four Nations southern hemisphere series next year and on this evidence they'll be competitive.
If NZ can win a tough semi against the Aussies they'll win the tournament imo. But quite frankly if they don't win this year they never will.
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Post by paulgilb on Oct 9, 2011 13:05:11 GMT 1
South Africa 9-11 Australia New Zealand 33-10 Argentina
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Post by Panda on Oct 9, 2011 14:16:08 GMT 1
France showed an improvement against England, but England really handed the game to them on a plate.
Wales were more dominant than I expected against Ireland (and let's not forget Ireland beat Australia fairly comfortably) and they have a great chance of beating France.
It looks like NZ's to lose but if anyone is capable of beating them, it's Australia.
South Africa are only the second defending champions not to make the semis of the next tournament (the others being Australia in 1995).
France and New Zealand are both in the semi-finals for a record 6th time.
The four semi-finalists in this tournament are the same four that reached the semis when New Zealand hosted in 1987.
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