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Post by Panda on Jun 19, 2014 22:25:45 GMT 1
I'm sure some will call for Hodgson's head but I doubt England would be able to get a world class manager in to replace him and I think there are enough positive signs for Hodgson to have two more years with this group of players. The only fault I can pick with Hodgson's management during this tournament is his persistence with Welbeck (who I've always thought plays better for England than Man U) when Lallana or Barkley may have been more effective. I'm not convinced any of the back 4 are really good enough for this level but at the moment they're the best we have...
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Post by o on Jun 19, 2014 22:26:01 GMT 1
Ah yes, Ox, we do miss someone like that But we were just so poor defensively, I know Suarez is good, but it's basic defending, and we cant do it, time after time, As for corners, we never look dangerous from them, and yet other teams always look like they'll score, that can make the difference in a game.
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Post by Panda on Jun 19, 2014 22:34:59 GMT 1
I know it's a typical England fan reaction to be looking forward to the Euros when we go out of the World Cup but even before we lost to Italy I remember thinking how great the next European Championship has the potential to be. 24 teams in the finals and I can think of at least 10 teams who I'd say have a chance of winning it, including England if the young players continue to progress.
I know we're not out of the World Cup yet but it's a big ask now. I think Italy can beat Costa Rica tomorrow and I think we will beat Costa Rica in our final game but I can see Suarez sneak a result against Italy unless they kick him all over the park.
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Post by suedehead on Jun 19, 2014 22:47:20 GMT 1
^ Devastating defeat to take. England were the better side for most of the game but conceded two goals against the run of play. Great response in the second half and after the equaliser it looked like we were going to go and win it but the players suddenly seemed to freeze and were hit with a sucker punch. England have some very talented young players and in two years, maybe four, they might just be good enough but they're not there yet. Hugely disappointing to lose both games but I don't think England have anything to be ashamed of. ^^ I agree with all of this. Maybe it was the Group of Death, after all. Well we have been unfortunate enough to play two teams ranked above us. For a team ranked tenth that takes some doing but such is life.
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Post by Panda on Jun 19, 2014 22:48:54 GMT 1
Oh well, onwards and upwards. It's still been a fantastic World Cup to watch. Let's see if Japan can play with the pride and passion they usually do and avoid being bored to death by Greece.
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Post by vastar iner on Jun 19, 2014 22:51:08 GMT 1
I know it's a typical England fan reaction to be looking forward to the Euros when we go out of the World Cup but even before we lost to Italy I remember thinking how great the next European Championship has the potential to be. 24 teams in the finals and I can think of at least 10 teams who I'd say have a chance of winning it, including England if the young players continue to progress. Makes it more difficult...obviously it will be easier to qualify, but if we get there harder to win.
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Post by Panda on Jun 19, 2014 22:54:36 GMT 1
The Japanese national anthem is my favourite of the entire World Cup...
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Post by Panda on Jun 19, 2014 22:58:25 GMT 1
I know it's a typical England fan reaction to be looking forward to the Euros when we go out of the World Cup but even before we lost to Italy I remember thinking how great the next European Championship has the potential to be. 24 teams in the finals and I can think of at least 10 teams who I'd say have a chance of winning it, including England if the young players continue to progress. Makes it more difficult...obviously it will be easier to qualify, but if we get there harder to win. The group stage should be easier in theory, as the bottom set of seeds will be weaker than in past tournaments, plus four 3rd-placed teams will be going through. After that, it's a 16-team free-for-all for the title...
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Post by paulgilb on Jun 19, 2014 23:04:08 GMT 1
At least we managed to get as far as Spain did.
On a slightly different note, has any team ever got out of their group despite 2 defeats (be it their first two games or otherwise)?
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Post by suedehead on Jun 19, 2014 23:08:37 GMT 1
The Japanese national anthem is my favourite of the entire World Cup... Nothing beats the Brazilian anthem.
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Post by Panda on Jun 19, 2014 23:15:44 GMT 1
At least we managed to get as far as Spain did. On a slightly different note, has any team ever got out of their group despite 2 defeats (be it their first two games or otherwise)? No, never, though a few teams have made it through with 3 draws, including one since 3 points for a win was introduced (Chile in 1998).
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Post by Mart!n on Jun 19, 2014 23:51:27 GMT 1
I just fell asleep during the first half of the Japan/Greece game, its so bad, I'm calling it a night, the game just feels like the Iran/Nigeria match. Looks like Ivory Coast could make the final 16 out of this group, actually England would have been more suited in this group.
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Post by Earl Purple on Jun 19, 2014 23:58:54 GMT 1
At least we managed to get as far as Spain did. On a slightly different note, has any team ever got out of their group despite 2 defeats (be it their first two games or otherwise)? No but Uruguay themselves got through with just 2 points, 2 draws and one defeat, that even being 6-1, in 1986 when there were 3 qualifiers from 4 of the 6 groups and Hungary's goal difference was even worse than theirs (-6 after being thumped 6-0 by the USSR) and Northern Ireland and Algeria both had 1 point in their group with Brazil and Spain. The USA got through a group in the Confederation Cup with 2 points too.
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Post by rewardman on Jun 20, 2014 0:43:49 GMT 1
Managed to get back for the second half of Japan - Greece.
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Post by suedehead on Jun 20, 2014 0:52:33 GMT 1
Managed to get back for the second half of Japan - Greece. And I assume you now regret that. Just spare a thought for those of us who have sat through all of it.
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Post by Panda on Jun 20, 2014 0:57:02 GMT 1
1st round, Group C: | 0-0 | |
Pos | Team | Pld | GD | Pts | Q | | 2 | +4 | 6 | 2 | | 2 | 0 | 3 | 3 | | 2 | -1 | 1 | 4 | | 2 | -3 | 1 |
The draw means Colombia are through to the last 16. Ivory Coast will join them if they beat Greece. A draw will be enough if Japan don't beat Colombia. Greece and Japan both need to win and hope they get through on goal difference.
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Post by rubcale on Jun 20, 2014 9:39:24 GMT 1
Italy should beat Costa Rica tonight although I wouldn't put my mortgage on it however unfortunately I would expect Uruguay to get something against them.
IMO England's exit can be summed up in two words - JOHN TERRY.
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Post by o on Jun 20, 2014 9:53:38 GMT 1
I know we had low expectations, but were they this low. We need some good solid defenders coming through pronto, else the situation will only get worse
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Post by rewardman on Jun 20, 2014 14:09:06 GMT 1
I had England failing to make the knockout stage from the get go.
I just think they lacked sufficient quality at this level.
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Post by rewardman on Jun 20, 2014 14:10:27 GMT 1
Managed to get back for the second half of Japan - Greece. And I assume you now regret that. Just spare a thought for those of us who have sat through all of it. Well, it wasn't the most absorbing second half. I gathered from comments here that the first half wasn't up to much either.
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