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Post by paulgilb on Apr 7, 2016 23:23:00 GMT 1
Good (provided it does actually get dropped this time)!
The Bahrain race itself was not at all bad, with the varied tyre stategies again leading to some good battles.
Some stats/facts:
16th win for Rosberg - equals Stirling Moss's record for a non-World Champion (other drivers have taken more wins before scoring their first title, though). Both Rosberg and Moss scored their first wins with Mercedes.
Hamilton has lost 11 places on lap 1 in this year's 2 races - just 1 fewer than in the whole of 2015.
8th Bahrain podium for Raikkonen without a victory - equals Alonso in Brazil. It is his 5th 2nd place in Bahrain - equals himself in Hungary, plus M Schumacher in Canada and San Marino.
Vandoorne is only the 2nd Belgian to have driven for McLaren - the other being Jacky Ickx, who finished 3rd in his only race for the team in 1973. 10th is the best result for a Belgian driver since Thierry Boutsen's 9th in Hungary 1993.
Vandoorne is the first F1 driver (excluding Christian Goethals who raced an F2 car in Germany 1958) from Flanders.
With Verstappen also being born in Belgium, this is the first race since Italy 1992 (Boutsen, van de Poele) to feature 2 Belgian-born drivers.
5th is the highest Driver's Championship position that Grosjean has occupied (previous best was 7th in 2012 and 2013).
187th consecutive race that Rosberg has started - equals Riccardo Patrese's record (1982-1993).
In neither of the first 2 races of the season has the polesitter been leading at the end of lap 1 - last time this happened was 2002 (and we all know what happened in that season!).
Perez and Wehrlein are currently tied in the Championship – both have had a 13th place and a 16th place.
Both 2016 races have seen the same driver start 1st, another driver finish 1st in both races, another driver start 4th in both races, and another driver finish 4th in both races.
20th year in a row that at least 1 Mercedes-powered car has set a fastest lap.
28th year in a row that at least 1 British driver has led a lap – extends the record.
8th consecutive Mercedes win – equals their longest run (Italy 2014 – Australia 2015).
Haas are apparently the first brand new team to score points in their first 2 races since March in 1970 (they managed 3rd and 1st courtesy of Jackie Stewart).
First time since 2013 that Raikkonen has been ahead of his team-mate in the Championship.
All 4 of Raikkonen's podiums in his second stint at Ferrari have come in races that finished in darkness.
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Post by paulgilb on Apr 17, 2016 22:40:41 GMT 1
Another decent race in China, although the battle for the win was over by lap 4, with Hamilton failing to set a time in Q1 (thus starting last), the two Ferraris colliding on lap 1, and Ricciardo suffering a tyre failure on lap 4. There were no retirements, despite these incidents.
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Post by paulgilb on Apr 20, 2016 20:14:36 GMT 1
China stats/facts:
6th consecutive win for Rosberg - something only Vettel, Ascari and M Schumacher have previously achieved (although Jim Clark won 6 consecutive races that he entered in 1965, missing the Monaco GP in order to win the Indy 500). Rosberg's consecutive win streak consists of more races than his father won in his entire career.
All 3 races so far this year have seen the polesitter lose the lead on lap 1 - also happened in 2002.
Both of Kvyat's podium have seen him finish immediately between Vettel and Ricciardo, with Ricciardo having to pit due to damage during the race.
First time in the Pirelli era that a race has been won by a driver not starting on the softest dry compound (excluding wet starts).
6th time that every driver who started the race also finished it, but the first such race to feature a safety car.
The top 3 on the grid all had last names starting with the same letter - last happened in Austria 1982 (Piquet, Patrese, Prost).
Second time in the last 5 years that an Australian driving for Red Bull has finished the first 3 races of the season in 4th place.
Rosberg has 75 points after 3 races - a record (thanks to the 2010 points system change).
139th pole for Mercedes as an engine supplier – equals Ford Cosworth, trails Ferrari (209) and Renault (213).
100th podium for Mercedes – equals Renault in 8th.
First circuit at which Rosberg has managed 5 podiums.
Hamilton’s first 3 results of this season are the same as Massa’s in 2010 (with both drivers starting outside the top 20 in the 3rd race) – however, Hamilton is 36 points off the lead whereas Massa was leading the Championship in 2010.
Vettel and Raikkonen have qualified 3rd and 4th respectively in all 3 races this year.
Ricciardo has started 2nd 4 times without a pole – equals Jean Behra, Richie Ginther, and Eddie Irvine. Other drivers do have more than 4 front-row starts without a pole (Behra leads on 10), as in the past there were often 3 or 4 cars per row.
First race with 22 starters since Japan 2014 (another race in which a Manor/Marussia was running in the top 4 at one point). First race with 22 finishers since USA 2012.
Hamilton’s run of 8 consecutive podiums comes to an end – Rosberg now has the longest unbroken streak with 7.
Hamilton’s run of 8 front-row starts (and thus Mercedes’ run of 8 consecutive front-row lockouts) comes to an end.
128 overtakes – beats the 112 from Brazil 2012.
40th race in a row without a McLaren on the podium.
First time since 2009 that Hamilton has not finished on the podium in China.
In a year ending in 6, 34 years after his father won the Drivers’ Championship, Rosberg has won the first 3 races of the season, with his main competition being his team-mate and a World Champion German driving for Ferrari. The omens are good...
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Post by raliverpool on Jul 3, 2016 17:34:45 GMT 1
LH: "I left a lot of room..." NR: "He left me no room at the corner and was on my racing line so I had no choice ....."
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Post by Paddy on Jul 4, 2016 10:25:51 GMT 1
Mercedes said after the race that Rosberg had brake issues....
not so sure.
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Post by Shireblogger on Jul 4, 2016 10:32:39 GMT 1
Mercedes said after the race that Rosberg had brake issues.... not so sure. Several Mercedes people said this, and it is almost certainly true. But it wasn't the cause of the crash. It is the first time that I think Lewis has been blameless for an incident, although his previous behaviour towards Rosberg had certainly invited a robust defence, and "to hell with the consequences" attitude. I'd much prefer Rosberg to win the championship this year. For all his talent, it is hard to like Hamilton as a sporting great.
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Post by Paddy on Jun 9, 2019 21:06:09 GMT 1
I think this is the last f1 thread.
The Canadian gp was a very contraversial gp. Vettel given 5 seconds and a very low key podium. Great respect by both drivers to each other but an fia steward needed to give a reasoning on podium to drivers and crowd.
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Post by Panda on Jun 9, 2019 21:12:56 GMT 1
Says a lot about how sh*t F1 is now that it takes an awful stewarding decision to get it back up the board at Haven.
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Post by Paddy on Jun 9, 2019 21:15:34 GMT 1
This is true.
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Post by Panda on Jun 9, 2019 21:16:37 GMT 1
A shame because it was actually a decent race until that point. The fans got cheated as much as anyone.
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Post by smokeyb on Jun 9, 2019 23:57:10 GMT 1
I have watched F1 since the 70's and it is now in a worse state than at any time, with the total domination of the sport for the last 6 years by one team,the team that spends the most money, has the best engine, the best chassis, the best aerodynamics, and now they seem to get the help of the stewards to spoil the first competetive race for a year, and totally spoil it for the fans.
Don't know why I bother watching it anymore, I keep saying the last race will be it for me, but as a petrolhead I keep going back for more suffering.
Hamilton is a good driver, but we will never really know if he is a great driver, as he has always had the best car by some distance.
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Post by o on Jun 10, 2019 13:00:30 GMT 1
But if Hamilton put him under pressure and so he made a mistake and missed a bend, and then rejoined the track gaining an advantage, then I don't see what the problem is with the penalty? At the end of every season the best drivers should get put in the team that came bottom of the team leaderboard, and likewise those at the bottom of the standings get put in the best team cars, would certainly make it more interesting than it has been for 20 years...
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Post by Pablo on Aug 29, 2021 21:38:46 GMT 1
Bump...
A bizarre but an historical event happened at the Belgium GP today, where the shortest race in F1 history has happened beating the previous record from the 1991 Australian GP. There was no racing held at all other than 2 laps behind the safety car due to persistent heavy rain and low visibility around the track. The 2 laps meant there was a race classification under the rules and half points were awarded instead of the full.
It was the right decision ultimately but hopefully the fans will get their money back.
On the broader subject of F1, I've been enjoying this season and seeing the drama unfold at the front. Seeing a wide range of different drivers on the podium and a few first race winners has been refreshing. I'm glad Hamilton has got competition in Verstappen too. Seeing Hamilton win the last couple of years made it a boring watch.
Verstappen has had some bad luck this season but I think this year could be his year, as the car looks a lot better than the Merc does.
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Post by Panda on Aug 29, 2021 21:44:46 GMT 1
Not going to lie, I've seen worse F1 races.
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Post by rewardman on Sept 12, 2021 14:47:31 GMT 1
Looks like Verstappen took out Hamilton.
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Post by Panda on Sept 12, 2021 15:50:51 GMT 1
Haven't seen the collision yet but nice to see McLaren finally winning again.
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Post by raliverpool on Sept 12, 2021 19:25:12 GMT 1
Looks like Verstappen took out Hamilton. I viewed the incident at the British GP as a racing incident, but the stewards felt otherwise. Just as I initially felt today's come together was a racing incident.
The difference between the two was Verstappen's reaction to it, which suggested a degree of deliberate premeditation about it. Especially, when he got out of his Red Bull and walked away without checking Hamilton was OK; especially as his car landed on top of the stricken & broken Mercedes.
On a more serious note, this his 7th season in F1; and with Grosjean no longer on the circuit; he is the most dangerous driver in F1 today, as his lack of spacial awareness, and self entitlement are frightening. He is a fabulous racer; but he still has so much to learn to become a great driver in the Prost/Lauda sense.
There is no question the halo (which I was actually against, and hands up was 100% wrong about) over the cockpit; as it has unquestionably previously saved Leclerc from a career ending injury; and today saved Lewis Hamilton from emulating Michael Schumacher; or even Ayrton Senna in the worst possible way:
Outcome: 3 place grid penalty for Verstappen in the next race at Sochi, in two weeks time.
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Post by Pablo on Sept 12, 2021 21:10:01 GMT 1
On a more serious note, this his 7th season in F1; and with Grosjean no longer on the circuit; he is the most dangerous driver in F1 today, as his lack of spacial awareness, and self entitlement are frightening. He is a fabulous racer; but he still has so much to learn to become a great driver in the Prost/Lauda sense.
There is no question the halo (which I was actually against, and hands up was 100% wrong about) over the cockpit; as it has unquestionably previously saved Leclerc from a career ending injury; and today saved Lewis Hamilton from emulating Michael Schumacher; or even Ayrton Senna in the worst possible way: Not Mazepin?
I think Verstappen has mellowed these last couple of years and is less gung ho that when he first came over to Red Bull. That said, when you listen to his radio, you know it will be aggressive and contain a few potty words. He has a good racing instinct but his temperament is questionable, especially with racing Lewis.
Just watched the highlights and Lewis did give Verstappen space. It was his decision to go on the inside of the kerb and not backing out of the move in the 2nd part of the chicane, which ultimately meant crashing.
Initially I thought the halo could have been designed better and still think it should, especially around the pillar right in the middle of the driver's peripheral view. Definitely got used to seeing it and it's definitely done its job today to prevent something worse happening.
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Post by vastar iner on Sept 12, 2021 23:51:37 GMT 1
There is no question the halo (which I was actually against, and hands up was 100% wrong about) over the cockpit; as it has unquestionably previously saved Leclerc from a career ending injury; and today saved Lewis Hamilton from emulating Michael Schumacher; or even Ayrton Senna in the worst possible way:
The thing that always worried me about the halo is what happens if there's fire. And we were told that that risk was minimal. Then Grosjean had his crash and the only thing that saved him was his own incompetence in smashing a barrier at such a speed that he broke his car in half.
Had the same thing happened with Hamilton, he would have been dead.
Mario Andretti said that roll cages in US sprint car racing dropped driving standards. I think we're seeing that. One of the things about the dangers in the past was that it sobered them up pretty sharpish. Verstappen is just completely oblivious to safety and the FIA's collaboration in encouraging him is appalling.
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Post by Pablo on Dec 6, 2021 3:08:11 GMT 1
Just watched the highlights of the Saudi Arabia GP.
Firstly - A great race, one of the more exciting races in recent times full of incidents, controversy, chaos, hostility and entertainment.
Secondly - The race could be better handled. Some decisions made by race control were questionable and ambiguous.
Lastly - On evidence of the last few races, I can see Verstappen do a (Michael) Schumacher in the final race and deliberating crash into Hamilton to win the championship. He'll get DQ'd but wouldn't put it past him.
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