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Post by ManicKangaroo on Jul 16, 2018 8:23:41 GMT 1
The good news is that the gap between the next World Cup and the following one will only be 3 1/2 years. Unfortunately the 2022 Qatar world cup is at the end if that year, not the start (21 Nov 2022 – 18 Dec 2022) so it's actually a longer wait than usual ☹️ I think he's talking about the gap between 2022 and 2026 being shorter
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Post by o on Jul 16, 2018 10:27:26 GMT 1
1978 was the first World Cup I remember, like to think I saw some of the 74 World Cup as well, but cant ask anyone to confirm that So what were people's fave goal of the tourno? I didn't agree with the bbc and the Belgium counterattacking goal being the best, dramatic and well worked, but not the best. Same with Ronaldo's free kick and Messi's sublime finish, you expect it from them, so for me, it was Pavard, Nacho and Queresma.
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Post by o on Jul 16, 2018 10:28:14 GMT 1
And the rioting in France when they won, think what would have happened had they lost!?! Puts our guys climbing up lampposts and standing on a few cars into perspective really.
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Post by Robin on Jul 16, 2018 10:35:04 GMT 1
I think it would’ve been even worse here. If we can’t even make it through early rounds without vandalism and thuggish behaviour god knows what it would have been like if we’d made the final or even one!
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Post by frag on Jul 16, 2018 12:04:19 GMT 1
It looked to me that when the referee was reviewing the replay of the handball he just got the handball part itself and not what had led to it. Just looking at the handball part itself, the defender moves his hand downward to where the ball is moving so it is hand to ball, not ball to hand, which is why the referee probably gave it. Only looking at the full picture you see that the defender was probably unsighted. It was hard to see (which is why the ref looked so many times), but the defender's left arm did move down perceptively (unnaturally) faster than his right, which surely wouldn't have happened if there wasn't some instinctive move towards the ball. Having said that, I do not think it was clear and obvious - which means that in my book, if the referee sees that and either gives or doesn't give the penalty, then the original on-field decision should be respected. However - in this case he didn't see it. So he has to make the decision based on what was shown, and I think he was probably right, although it took me until half time to decide that. Perhaps if a controversial free kick or corner leads directly to a penalty or goal, then the decision for the foul/corner should be reviewed? That's probably as far as it's practical to take it, even if it is frustrating when an incorrect free kick decision leads to a corner, which leads to another corner, which leads to a goal.
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Post by frag on Jul 16, 2018 12:07:06 GMT 1
My first World Cup which I can distinctly recall was 1978, but I have to say the 2018 Russia World Cup has been the best. I recall the 1994 world cup. I didn't watch many games (even the semis/final), possibly due to late kick-offs, but I remember Bulgaria beating Germany, being upset when Ireland lost to the Netherlands, and filling in a wallchart. At the start of the 1994/95 season I started buying match magazine (with the team tabs and everything), and from then on I was hooked.
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Post by frag on Jul 16, 2018 12:09:08 GMT 1
So what were people's fave goal of the tourno? I didn't agree with the bbc and the Belgium counterattacking goal being the best, dramatic and well worked, but not the best. Same with Ronaldo's free kick and Messi's sublime finish, you expect it from them, so for me, it was Pavard, Nacho and Queresma. I thought Pavard was the best with Nacho 2nd - both of them sublime finishes showing skill. Not sure on the 3rd place, but you might be right with Quaresma's goal. That, or Perisic in the final.
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Post by Hupin on Jul 16, 2018 13:57:29 GMT 1
Unfortunately the 2022 Qatar world cup is at the end if that year, not the start (21 Nov 2022 – 18 Dec 2022) so it's actually a longer wait than usual ☹️ I think he's talking about the gap between 2022 and 2026 being shorter Oh yeah. I can see that he did say "the next world cup" now
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Post by suedehead on Jul 16, 2018 15:53:09 GMT 1
Unfortunately the 2022 Qatar world cup is at the end if that year, not the start (21 Nov 2022 – 18 Dec 2022) so it's actually a longer wait than usual ☹️ I think he's talking about the gap between 2022 and 2026 being shorter Correct.
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Post by Earl Purple on Jul 16, 2018 16:39:02 GMT 1
I remember the 1978 world cup in particular too as the first one I followed properly.
Thought Scotland were terrible and then they went and beat the Netherlands but I think if Scotland had beaten Iran they wouldn't have beaten the Netherlands because they'd have turned up.
When you go into a game against a team that has played poorly in 2 games needing only to avoid a 3-goal defeat it's very easy to be complacent.
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Post by Shireblogger on Jul 16, 2018 17:02:40 GMT 1
1978 was also my first World Cup. I kept a little book in which I wrote down all the goal scorers, and I'm sure I had a sticker album of some sort. My parents bought me Shoot! every week then, and I devoured every page.
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Post by Mart!n on Jul 16, 2018 17:49:14 GMT 1
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Post by Hupin on Jul 16, 2018 18:14:06 GMT 1
USA '94 was my first world cup. Though it was the third to take place during my lifetime
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Post by o on Jul 16, 2018 18:50:39 GMT 1
I think it would’ve been even worse here. If we can’t even make it through early rounds without vandalism and thuggish behaviour god knows what it would have been like if we’d made the final or even one! The French do love a good riot though! I'm sure I also have the 1978 sticker album, ought to try and find it.
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Post by paulgilb on Jul 16, 2018 23:50:46 GMT 1
England's World Cup performances ranked from best to worst based on Elo points gained and lost throughout the tournament:
1. 1966 (88) 2. 1982 (64) 3. 2002 (41) 4. 1990 (34) 5. 2006 (27) 6. 1998 (-4) 7. 1962 (-15) 8. 1986 (-27) 9. 2018 (-34) 10. 1970 (-38) 11. 1954 (-47) 12. 1958 (-61) 13. 2014 (-72) 14. 2010 (-86) 15. 1950 (-91)
Based on average points change per game played:
1. 1966 (14.67) 2. 1982 (12.8) 3. 2002 (8.2) 4. 2006 (5.4) 5. 1990 (4.86) 6. 1998 (-1) 7. 1962 (-3.75) 8. 2018 (-4.86) 9. 1986 (-5.4) 10. 1970 (-9.5) 11. 1958 (-15.25) 12. 1954 (-15.67) 13. 2010 (-21.5) 14. 2014 (-24) 15. 1950 (-30.33)
The following should be noted (a + sign before the year indicating that the point mentioned has a positive effect on England's score for that tournament, a - sign indicates a negative effect):
1. Each match results in a transfer of points from the losing team to the winning team. In the event of a draw, points are transferred from the higher-ranked team to the lower-ranked team. It is possible for no points to be transferred if the result is a draw between two fairly evenly-matched teams, or a win for a team ranked much higher than their opponents.
2. The number of points transferred depends on the ranking difference between the two sides (-1950) and the margin of victory (+1986).
3. Home advantage is taken into account (-1966).
4. Penalty shoot-outs are ignored, with the result being considered as a draw (+1990, +1998, +2006, -2018). This has a side effect that it may be 'better' for a team to lose on penalties than to win then subsequently lose e.g. England would have a better points change if they had lost to Colombia on penalties (although they wouldn't have then beaten Sweden, they would have been spared their defeats to Croatia and Belgium).
5. All matches within a tournament are given equal weighting, including 3rd-place playoffs (-1990, -2018). If 3rd-place playoffs are ignored, then 1990 and 2018 would be 3rd and 6th respectively on the first list, and both 1990 and 2018 would be 2 places higher on the 2nd list.
6. The method does not take into account the importance of goal difference i.e. it may be crucial in the group stage, but in the knockout stage all that actually matters is who wins the match (+2002, -2010).
7. The points gained or lost throughout the tournament is affected by the ranking before the tournament, and can thus be seen as a measure of performance relative to expectations.
8. The system does not take into account whether or not a game went into extra time (-1970, +1990, -2018).
9. The situation within the group is not taken into account e.g. whether or not a team has already qualified for the knock-out stage, or only needs a draw to go through/top the group (-2002, -2006, -2018).
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Post by paulgilb on Jul 16, 2018 23:55:09 GMT 1
England's 5 best World Cup matches by Elo points transferred:
1. 3-1 v Argentina in 1962 2. 3-0 v Denmark in 2002 3. 2-0 v Sweden in 2018 4. 1-0 v Argentina in 2002 5. 3-0 v Poland in 1986
England's 5 worst World Cup matches by Elo points transferred:
1. 0-1 v USA in 1950 2. 1-4 v Germany in 2010 3. 2-4 v Uruguay in 1954 4. 0-1 v Portugal in 1986 5. 0-1 v Spain in 1950
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Post by paulgilb on Jul 17, 2018 0:03:57 GMT 1
Best performing team per tournament (based on total Elo points gained):
1930 - USA (+87) 1934 - Italy (+73) 1938 - Italy (+71) 1950 - Uruguay (+135) 1954 - West Germany (+154) 1958 - Brazil (+165) 1962 - Brazil (+92) 1966 - Portugal (+193) 1970 - Brazil (+161) 1974 - Netherlands (+217) 1978 - Argentina (+114) 1982 - Italy (+176) 1986 - Argentina (+167) 1990 - Cameroon (+81) 1994 - Brazil (+100) 1998 - Croatia (+134) 2002 - Brazil (+204) 2006 - Italy (+135) 2010 - Germany (+103) 2014 - Netherlands (+168) 2018 - France (+140)
Worst performing team per tournament:
1930 - Mexico (-118) 1934 - Brazil (-76) 1938 - Germany (-75) 1950 - Mexico (-102) 1954 - Scotland (-91) 1958 - Argentina (-124) 1962 - Switzerland (-76) 1966 - Brazil (-93) 1970 - Czechoslovakia (-102) 1974 - Zaire (-88) 1978 - Hungary (-106) 1982 - West Germany (-75) 1986 - Northern Ireland (-77) 1990 - Sweden (-122) 1994 - Greece (-97) 1998 - Japan (-72) 2002 - France (-134) 2006 - Czech Republic (-91) 2010 - Italy (-87) 2014 - Brazil (-158) 2018 - Germany (-113)
Matches with most points transferred per tournament:
1930 - France 4-1 Mexico (66) 1934 - Sweden 3-2 Argentina (52) 1938 - Switzerland 4-2 Germany (62) 1950 - Chile 5-2 United States (59) 1954 - Turkey 7-0 South Korea (80) 1958 - Czechoslovakia 6-1 Argentina (84) 1962 - Mexico 3-1 Czechoslovakia (72) 1966 - Hungary 3-1 Brazil (62) 1970 - Brazil 4-1 Czechoslovakia (45) 1974 - Netherlands 2-0 Brazil (59) 1978 - Peru 3-1 Scotland (67) 1982 - Algeria 2-1 W Germany (56) 1986 - Spain 5-1 Denmark (71) 1990 - Argentina 2-0 Soviet Union (62) 1994 - Bulgaria 2-0 Argentina (68) 1998 - Croatia 3-0 Germany (77) 2002 - Poland 3-1 United States (66) 2006 - Ghana 2-0 Czech Republic (82) 2010 - Germany 4-0 Argentina (58) 2014 - Germany 7-1 Brazil (81) 2018 - South Korea 2-0 Germany (80)
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Post by raliverpool on Jul 21, 2018 20:59:32 GMT 1
For those of you (us) with withdrawal symptoms, if you have a spare 55 minutes ... then you can do worse than watch WORLD CUP 2018 - THE CARTOON MUSICAL! courtesy of football animation parodists 442oons ...
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