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Post by Roo. on May 5, 2020 19:40:18 GMT 1
When I went to the States over New Year '08 they played Believe everywhere - I'm not sure I ever heard it here. Clearly we had more of an issue with them than the US.
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Post by TheThorne on May 5, 2020 19:57:45 GMT 1
I think there was many more bands deserving that landfill indie title of Menswear than Bravery especially as they were their right at the start unlike bands like Pigeon Detectives or The Twang.
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Post by Razzle Dazzle on May 5, 2020 20:17:59 GMT 1
I never got the landfill Indie jibe to describe big bands who were originals on the scene and had lots of hits, as far as I know it was a term coined by The Word magazine in 2008 and before that date it had never been used and it was used to specifically describe the second wave of copycat indie bands such as The Pigeon Detectives, The Hoosiers, Scouting For Girls, The Pigeon Detectives, Larrikin Love, The Twang, The Rumble Strips, The View, The Enemy, The Paddingtons, Joe Lean and the Jing Jang Jong, The Harrisons etc not indie bands that started the trend
Before you know it EVERY band that you didn't like or you had outgrown were termed landfill indie which became a career ending tag and before you know it all guitar bands vanished from the mainstream as every band subsequently were mis tagged as landfill indie from Kaiser Chiefs to Razorlight
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Post by Panda on May 5, 2020 20:21:23 GMT 1
I think there was many more bands deserving that landfill indie title of Menswear than Bravery especially as they were their right at the start unlike bands like Pigeon Detectives or The Twang. Oh, The Twang were awful. Pigeon Detectives had a couple of decent songs but weren't great. I'd chuck Wombats in there as well. One band I've never got into, mainly due to my general dislike for bands that sound like they've travelled through time from 1985, but absolutely love one song is Everything Everything. This even made my end-of-year top 10 a few years back.
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Post by Milliways on May 5, 2020 22:41:45 GMT 1
Similarly, any mention of Noel Gallagher and I’m typically reaching for the skip button — with one glorious exception
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Post by Razzle Dazzle on May 5, 2020 22:47:13 GMT 1
Yeah that's their best song by a mile
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Post by -Big Dan- on May 15, 2020 22:10:50 GMT 1
I've never really been a huge Biffy Clyro fan, despite my best efforts. Having said that, this song is a banger.
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Post by TheThorne on May 16, 2020 7:28:02 GMT 1
I've neve really been a huge Biffy Clyro fan, despite my best efforts. Having said that, this song is a banger. I love this answer and it makes me sad at the same time
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Post by Shireblogger on May 16, 2020 7:50:20 GMT 1
Changing generations, but sticking with the theme of acts following in the wheeltracks of greatness, how about Herman's Hermits. They achieved ten Top 10 hits in the UK, but only the first was any good.
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Post by TheThorne on May 16, 2020 8:37:05 GMT 1
Changing generations, but sticking with the theme of acts following in the wheeltracks of greatness, how about Herman's Hermits. They achieved ten Top 10 hits in the UK, but only the first was any good. That song will always be this in my head!
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Post by suedehead on May 16, 2020 8:42:56 GMT 1
Changing generations, but sticking with the theme of acts following in the wheeltracks of greatness, how about Herman's Hermits. They achieved ten Top 10 hits in the UK, but only the first was any good. The first single I ever bought was by Herman's Hermits!
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Post by Panda on May 16, 2020 17:25:20 GMT 1
I've never minded Biffy Clyro, I just thought they were a bit overrated for a while. Too often early on it just felt like they were trying to sound like Foo Fighters. But their sound has developed over the years and they've become a very good band.
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Post by Earl Purple on May 17, 2020 11:18:24 GMT 1
To me Biffy Clyro did a few good songs, Bubbles my favourite, but I thought they were overhyped as many are.
I always like it when new bands are appearing even if they only manage one memorable hit. Pigeon Detectives actualy had 2 top 10 hits in my chart "I Found Out" #8 the one I remember and "Everybody Wants Me" #9 and a number of others none of which got higher than #35.
2004-2008 as a whole was a decent period for guitar bands whilst the 2010s was nearly dead and the media slagging off every new band that appears is similar to what killed Britpop. That's why we were left with boy-band and girl-group domination in the middle then and all that crap we have now.
Herman's Hermits had loads of good songs, "I'm Into Something Good" wasn't even their best. "No Milk Today", "There's A Kind Of Hush", "Something's Happening", "My Sentimental Friend", "Years May Come Years May Go"..
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Post by TheThorne on May 17, 2020 11:26:00 GMT 1
To me Biffy Clyro did a few good songs, Bubbles my favourite, but I thought they were overhyped as many are. I always like it when new bands are appearing even if they only manage one memorable hit. Pigeon Detectives actualy had 2 top 10 hits in my chart "I Found Out" #8 the one I remember and "Everybody Wants Me" #9 and a number of others none of which got higher than #35. 2004-2008 as a whole was a decent period for guitar bands whilst the 2010s was nearly dead and the media slagging off every new band that appears is similar to what killed Britpop. That's why we were left with boy-band and girl-group domination in the middle then and all that crap we have now. Herman's Hermits had loads of good songs, "I'm Into Something Good" wasn't even their best. "No Milk Today", "There's A Kind Of Hush", "Something's Happening", "My Sentimental Friend", "Years May Come Years May Go".. Most ‘hyped’ bands don’t take 4 years to get their first hit and then another 5 years for their 1st top 10. Biffy got big through word of mouth and their live shows , Radio 1 didn’t even play them on daytime until ‘Folding Stars’ 8 years after their debut single. They then ended up in the lucky position of being one of the few rock bands left who still had hits. None of that had anything to do with hype. Like cmon I didn’t even notice them until 2003 and that was from an ad in NME. Nobody was screaming you must hear this band and pushing them down your face. Zane Lowe was about the only national DJ that supported them early and NME and the like only jumped on them after they had already got big without their permission.
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Post by greendemon on May 17, 2020 11:38:21 GMT 1
^ This, I was a (relatively) early adopter of Biffy and I'm pretty sure only the same people cared about their first three albums. It was only when 'Puzzle' came out that they started to attract attention. I remember one of my friends hearing 'Saturday Superhouse' and saying 'oh this band you've been on about for years, they're actually good!'
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Post by Razzle Dazzle on May 17, 2020 13:07:04 GMT 1
Think I probably discovered Biffy Clyro around 2003 too MTV 2 played Questions and Answers a lot and I saw them at T in The Park the same year
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Post by raliverpool on May 19, 2020 20:21:43 GMT 1
Similarly, any mention of Noel Gallagher and I’m typically reaching for the skip button — with one glorious exception Funny, I think Noel Gallagher since Oasis split as been the Paul Weller; to brother Liam's Bruce Foxton.
To be fair to Liam he has double the number of good songs (if you include Beady Eye - who were quite frankly the equivalent of Wings without Paul McCartney) then his only good songs have been Once & Wall of Glass - but in truth both remain Oasis-lite lacking the Oasis swagger compared to the second solo single by some Port Vale supporter out of a Manchester boyband):
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Post by raliverpool on May 19, 2020 20:34:37 GMT 1
I've neve really been a huge Biffy Clyro fan, despite my best efforts. Having said that, this song is a banger. I love this answer and it makes me sad at the same time Quite frankly Biffy Clyro were architects of their own unpopularity with a lot of music fans (which still exists to this day) for two pronged insults. Firstly, when BBC Radio 6 Music was being threatened with closure (now with nearly 2.7 million daily listeners at breakfast and growing), unlike 95% of the music industry they actively came out in support of the measure. Thank God the Government took notice of the likes of David Bowie; Paul McCartney & Brian Eno instead of Simon Neil.
Secondly, they bigged up Simon Cowell & his TV talent shows and allowed Many Of Horror to be blandified as the X-Factor winning song by Matt Cardle.
But maybe, BBC Radio 6 Music is just too eclectic for their tastes and their narrow brand of post Grunge music which makes the Stereophonics look adventurous.
You only have to look at "wannabe hipster" Lauren Laverne "music snob" choice for her Breakfast show record of the week ....
^ Which I think is better than anything Biffy Clyro have ever done.
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Post by TheThorne on May 19, 2020 20:44:39 GMT 1
I was waiting for you to drag that out again...if anything the case to shut down 6music is more relevant than ever, the playlist and DJs decline month by month. The only show I ever listen to know is Roundtable and we don’t even have that sadly with Lamacq shielding. There is barely any edge on that station anymore, Radio 2 for Guardian readers.
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Post by raliverpool on May 19, 2020 20:59:11 GMT 1
I was waiting for you to drag that out again... But its true; and every time the band is brought up on numerous music sites those two facts are brought up to condemn them; which is why most opened minded music fans don't like the band even though they made some quite good records because of those two examples of behaving like Grade A tosspots.
If they'd have done neither of those things I think they would have became much bigger & more popular than they actually did. In some respects you have to have some sympathy for them because their contrary who needs experts attitude before Brexit and Trump was visionary....
But ultimately they killed off a hell of a lot of good will their excellent Puzzle & Only Revolutions albums had given them as they were on the brink of replacing Muse as Britain's biggest "alternative/hard" rock act until those twin acts of self inflicted sabotage.
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