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Post by Panda on Dec 17, 2020 3:38:26 GMT 1
Allardyce in for Bilic at West Brom. Hilarious. Should we have a sweepstake on how many weeks he will last ? A very disrespectful way to talk about England's most successful manager.
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Post by Robin on Dec 17, 2020 8:26:19 GMT 1
Never been relegated from the Premier League either.
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Post by o on Dec 17, 2020 14:07:30 GMT 1
Is that because he's sacked before the team goes down?
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Post by Razzle Dazzle on Dec 17, 2020 14:49:44 GMT 1
Big Sam gets some stick but he usually leaves teams in a better position then when he took over
Bolton (took over in Division 1, left them 5th in the Premier League and in Europe)
Newcastle (took over 13th in Prem, left them in 12th, they then employed Kevin Keegan/Joe Kinnear and went down 18 month later)
Blackburn (took over when they were 19th, left them 13th, they employed Steve Kean who took them down within 18 month too)
West Ham (took them over in the Championship, left them 12th in the Premiership, they were as high as 4th at Christmas but West Ham let his contract expire, left them in Europe too)
Sunderland (took over when they were 19th, left them 17th relegating Newcastle and taking the England job)
England (sacked after 1 game and a 100% record)
Crystal Palace (took them over in 17th, left them in 14th)
Everton (took them over in 13th with 15 points from 14 games. left them in 8th)
WBA (took them over in 18th, leaves them? I'm guessing 15th-17th now)
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Post by Shireblogger on Dec 17, 2020 16:45:24 GMT 1
He did a great job at Bolton. No denying that.
Since then his Premier League record at Newcastle, Blackburn, West Ham, Sunderland, Palace and Everton is:-
Played 330 Won 112 Drawn 81 Lost 137
He has 25 games at WBA. If he replicates that record they will win 8 or 9, draw 6, and lose 10 or 11. That will leave WBA on 37 or 40 points. Given the way the season is going so far, 40 points will definitely be enough to survive, but 37 might not.
But he'll fall out with the WBA board very quickly. They are clearly incompetent - just look at the series of hapless decisions they made last time they were in the Premier Division. And Allardyce fell out with the Board at almost every club he managed after Bolton, usually on the subject of transfers. He'll want to spend big in January, and his new Board definitely won't.
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Post by Razzle Dazzle on Dec 17, 2020 17:01:10 GMT 1
his saving grace is he is targeting Fulham in 17th who are averaging a very poor 0.69ppg and if they don't pick up that's only 26 points over a season and I think they are playing at 100% at the moment so could be a low total to survive this year, a lot of mid table teams hoarding the points so far
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Post by Robbie on Jan 25, 2021 13:18:09 GMT 1
To be honest, it's no great surprise. He was appointed manager of Chelsea despite having an average record in his first managerial job with Derby. Chelsea haven't performed well this season.
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Post by Shireblogger on Jan 25, 2021 13:40:50 GMT 1
I've never liked Chelsea - hooligans in the 70s, Ken Bates and his electric fence in the 80s, Abramovich and his money laundering, the obnoxious John Terry, the egotistical Mourinho...
But I've always admired Frank Lampard, and England fans should be delighted at the way youngsters like Mason Mount, Tammy Abraham and Callum Hudson-Odoi have flourished under his management.
So, on the one hand I'm sorry to see Frank fired, but on the other it is great to see Chelsea in turmoil again.
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Post by Razzle Dazzle on Jan 25, 2021 14:18:09 GMT 1
Yeah spending 300m and having a record against the top 8 this season of W0 D2 L7 isn't great
Mason Mount and Tammy Abraham have been brilliant which makes it more odd to sign replacements in both of their positions (Havertz 75m, Werner 50m) yet they lost 3 wingers Willian, Hazard and Pedro and replaced none of them so we have seen strikers and central midfielders play on the wings all season, great player but bang average manager, left them an unbalanced mess, you expect that with a 30m transfer budget but not 300m
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Post by Shireblogger on Jan 25, 2021 14:39:19 GMT 1
Yeah spending 300m and having a record against the top 8 this season of W0 D2 L7 isn't great Mason Mount and Tammy Abraham have been brilliant which makes it more odd to sign replacements in both of their positions (Havertz 75m, Werner 50m) yet they lost 3 wingers Willian, Hazard and Pedro and replaced none of them so we have seen strikers and central midfielders play on the wings all season, great player but bang average manager, left them an unbalanced mess, you expect that with a 30m transfer budget but not 300m But at Chelsea the manager/coach doesn't make sale and purchase decisions. Roman Abramovich appoints a sycophant into the role of football director to do all of that stuff, so that's the first person who should be fired. According to the Chelsea FC website, it is former Sibneft (oil company) employee Marina Granovskaia who is responsible for player transactions. She speaks English and Russian and has no football experience apart from being an Abramovich stooge. I'm not defending Lampard's record as manager of Chelski. I think he'll be pretty good in the long run, but he was given a big job too soon.
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Post by Razzle Dazzle on Jan 25, 2021 14:54:04 GMT 1
If the players were bought for him and he didn't want them and he was told to mould an impossible mish mash of players into a winning team then he is better off with the pay off than hanging onto his job because he doesn't have a balanced squad, he has about 7 CAMS and no wingers and his fix seems to have been try and buy Declan Rice for 80m and play him CB, rumours are that caused a lot of friction
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Post by Panda on Jan 25, 2021 16:10:36 GMT 1
Lampard definitely got the job too soon. Given the gig after finishing 1 point ahead of Pulis in the Championship.
Had he been anyone else, the press would've been calling for his head long before but he got an easier ride than most because they've all known him since he was a kid.
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Post by Shireblogger on Feb 2, 2021 23:15:45 GMT 1
Fat Sam has now completed 10 matches as manager of WBA. His record is:-
Won 1 Drawn 2 Lost 7 Goals For 10 Goals Against 28
The last 10 games of Bilic's reign, looked like this:-
Won 1 Drawn 3 Lost 6 Goals For 5 Goals Against 15
Remarkably similar, albeit WBA's matches now average 4 goals per game instead of 2.
Full marks to the WBA Board for effecting such a profound change to their club's fortunes.
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Post by o on Feb 2, 2021 23:34:36 GMT 1
I dont think you should call him Fat Sam. Southampton got hit for 9 tonight, some very strange var decisions, but that's par for the course these days I guess in the premier league. But when var gets it right over an offside the linesman didn't see, or gave and wasn't, no one praises it, just want something to moan about. Saying that, if you cant see someone's offside without drawing magic lines on a screen, then let them be onside.
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Post by Shireblogger on Feb 3, 2021 8:52:49 GMT 1
I dont think you should call him Fat Sam. Southampton got hit for 9 tonight, some very strange var decisions, but that's par for the course these days I guess in the premier league. But when var gets it right over an offside the linesman didn't see, or gave and wasn't, no one praises it, just want something to moan about. Saying that, if you cant see someone's offside without drawing magic lines on a screen, then let them be onside. The problem with the really tight VAR decisions is deciding when the ball was played. Southampton have had really tight decisions go against them in the last two games. In both cases, the frozen screen with the lines on it has an oval-shaped ball just about attached to the end of the player's boot. To me, that is after the ball has been played. Roll the video back a couple of frames, and the attacking players are not off-side, which means the goals should stand. For this reason, if the lines are within, say, 10cm of one another, then that's not offside.
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Post by suedehead on Feb 19, 2021 10:53:33 GMT 1
The National League North and South seasons have been declared null and void. The situation in the top division is more complicated with at least one club (Dover) saying they will defy the decision to carry on. Steps 3 and below of the non-league game are waiting for Johnson's announcement on Monday but I can't see there being anything in it that allows them to resume the season.
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Post by Panda on Feb 19, 2021 11:06:27 GMT 1
The FA made a rod for their own back by declaring last season void when there were better options available (deciding the season on points per game or completing the season at the earliest opportunity and possibly having a shortened 20/21 season). Instead, they set a very poor precedent that they will surely have no choice but to follow, given we're not as far into the season as we were last year when it was stopped.
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Post by o on Feb 19, 2021 11:21:22 GMT 1
A cynic would say that Dover are doing that because they are bottom and 8 points adrift, but they do have the games in hand to get out of it. I thought teams were given money to carry on, I presume this wasn't enough? But there's now going to be no relegation if there isn't promotion from the leagues below? But maybe still promotion to the football league? If not, then we will have no relegation from league 2 either, which will then mean teams play youth teams, but teams can still be promoted? Chaos.
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Post by suedehead on Feb 19, 2021 11:26:16 GMT 1
Didn't Steps 1 and 2 decide that they could only go to points per game this season if at least two-thirds of the fixtures had been played? They haven't even played half so far. In some of the leagues below there are clubs (including Whitehawk) who have only played around six matches.
I think they should plan for the possibility of next season being disrupted as well. One possibility would be to split each division in two geographically with teams scheduled to play each other four times. If the season is disrupted then that can be reduced to paying each other three or even two times.
Abandoning the season would be excellent news for Stoke Gabriel whose current record reads Played 18, Lost 18. Goals Scored 7 Goals Against 207.
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