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Post by Sm1ffj on Nov 7, 2022 21:09:23 GMT 1
Anyone recently, or ever purchased some music that has songs that were original versions pre being changed for legal reasons.
Recently I got a few 7 inch single joblots.
I have the original of Wet Wet Wet - Sweet Little Mystery, it is the version before this happened.
From Wikipedia
In the years following the song's release, the Wets endured widespread criticism, acquiring the reputation of being "the Scottish pop robbers", for using lyrics from Van Morrison's "A Sense of Wonder".[15] Morrison sued the band for copyright infringement and claimed a co-writer's credit on the song.[16] Whilst Morrison sued the band, lead singer Marti Pellow stated they used two lines from "A Sense of Wonder" "to pay homage to him – Van the Man was a big influence on us".[17] The band also shares co-writing credit for "Sweet Little Mystery" with British singer John Martyn, as their choruses share similarities.
I know the version on Now 10 is Changed to the new lyrics
Today Digitising Pump Up The Volume - MARRS 7 inch, it is the version before this happened.
As the record climbed the charts, the single ran into legal difficulties. With "Pump Up the Volume" standing at number two, an injunction was obtained against it by pop music producers Stock Aitken Waterman (SAW), who objected to the use of a sample from their hit single "Roadblock". Distribution was held up for several days while negotiations took place, and the result was that overseas releases would not include the "Roadblock" sample.
The version on Now 10 is the changed version without the above sample from roadblock.
Anyone else got music recently with versions before a legal forced change, and also anyone can think of other songs that had to be changed for legal reasons
Surprising those were still available to buy in 2022.
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Post by raliverpool on Nov 7, 2022 21:30:18 GMT 1
There are loads due to the Dec 1991 Gilbert O'Sullivan vs Biz Markie case: calendar.songfacts.com/december/17/20373Dec 17th 1991 Gilbert O'Sullivan Beats The Biz In Landmark Sampling Case A judge rules in favor of the British singer-songwriter Gilbert O'Sullivan in his case against the rapper Biz Markie, who sampled Sullivan's song "Alone Again (Naturally)" without permission. The landmark case establishes that samples must be cleared before they are used. Sampling has been common for quite some time, with some artists getting permission and others just using the samples and dealing with the fallout after the fact, which early on was the more common approach. An early example of this easier-to-ask-forgiveness-than-permission tactic is "Rapper's Delight" by The Sugarhill Gang, which sampled "Good Times" by Chic in 1979. In 1982, Afrika Bambaataa & The Soulsonic Force interpolated Kraftwerk's "Trans-Europe Express" on their track "Planet Rock," also without clearance. In both cases, settlements were reached. By 1991, most major hip-hop acts cleared their samples, which could usually be done at a relatively low cost, allowing for albums like Paul's Boutique by Beastie Boys, which used about 100 samples. And when they didn't, the matter was typically settled out of court. The Biz Markie case is different because: 1) His record company asked permission, was denied, and used it anyway. 2) O'Sullivan didn't just want money, he wanted Markie's song pulled from the market. Markie's song, released on his 1991 album I Need a Haircut, is called "Alone Again," and finds him playing the role of a sad sack who can't find a friend. It samples about 20 seconds of O'Sullivan's song and interpolates the chorus as Biz laments, "I'm alone again, naturally." Markie did something similar on his 1989 hit "Just A Friend," where he reworked a Freddie Scott R&B song from 1968 called "(You) Got What I Need," but he got a lot more resistance from O'Sullivan. When his record company tried to clear the sample, O'Sullivan rejected it because he felt Markie's comic rendering besmirched the original, which many listeners have used to sink into the throes of depression as a means of musical therapy. Markie is on Cold Chillin' Records, a subsidiary of Warner Bros. Using the sample without permission was a brazen but calculated risk: O'Sullivan was based in England and not likely to hear the song. And to sue Markie, he'd have to appear in New York court to do it. That's exactly what he did. The case is decided quickly and decisively - O'Sullivan says Biz Markie didn't even show up. The judge delivers a harsh repudiation of Warner Bros., opening his ruling by quoting the book of Exodus: "Thou shalt not steal." On December 30, the two sides agree to a settlement that is not disclosed, but reported as "substantial." In addition to the payout, Warner Bros. recalls the album, which has been out since August 23. The song is removed from additional pressings of the album. The case sends record company lawyers scrambling to secure the rights to all those uncleared samples, and to make sure every sample is cleared henceforth. Even tiny samples that nobody bothered clearing before the case are now an issue. Case in point: "Tennessee" by Arrested Development, which uses one word ("Tennessee") from the Prince song "Alphabet Street." Prince could name his price, which turned out to be $100,000... Hence, why The KLF tracks on Spotify sound different to the originals; & why De La Soul's groundbreaking 3 Foot High & Rising album is not available on streaming services. .... On a separate issue I have a 1980s CD 1960s R&B/soul compilation which contains Bob & Earl - Harlem Shuffle which contains the original racial C-word slur, which is no erased today for obvious reasons. |
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Post by Robbie on Nov 7, 2022 21:47:40 GMT 1
I bought the original 7" of 'Pump Up The Volume', before SAW got their injunction.
I also bought the original version of 'Ride On Time' by Black Box which features sampled vocals, voiced by Loleatta Hathaway. She objected to the unauthorised use of her vocals and this led to the vocals being re-recorded by a session singer (said to be Heather Small in pre M People days). The original version was replaced by this new version while the record was at number 1. The re-recorded version is totally inferior, the vocals sound very poor compared to Loleatta's.
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Post by raliverpool on Nov 7, 2022 21:50:57 GMT 1
Ha, I'm just started prepping my 1991 Retro Rewind Charts ... and I've come across another one because of sampling...
Soho - Hippychick (UK #8 & USA #14)
This London based dance trio famously sampled The Smiths - How Soon Is Now.
In the late 2000s when streaming was taking off (& copyright needed to be cleared) one half of the now estranged Smiths songwriting partnership objected to the track & wanted it pulled (from streaming services & being able to purchase digitally). I think you can guess who that was, and work out why...
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Post by Sm1ffj on Nov 7, 2022 22:05:31 GMT 1
I bought the original 7" of 'Pump Up The Volume', before SAW got their injunction. I also bought the original version of 'Ride On Time' by Black Box which features sampled vocals, voiced by Loleatta Hathaway. She objected to the unauthorised use of her vocals and this led to the vocals being re-recorded by a session singer (said to be Heather Small in pre M People days). The original version was replaced by this new version while the record was at number 1. The re-recorded version is totally inferior, the vocals sound very poor compared to Loleatta's. Digistised it and I have it to play on my radio show this coming Sunday. I Digitise as radio studios are too digital nowadays, so easier less trouble to play a digital file or off of disc, but still gets some vinyl vibe off of it. |
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Post by Mic1812 on Nov 8, 2022 15:31:37 GMT 1
If i was out mooching the second hand shops for a 7" of Black Box Ride On Time how would i know what version it is. Did they slightly change the cat number for the re release or just add the words remix after it. Also the same question to Marrs Pump Up The Volume. And again also to Wet Wet Wet Sweet Litle Mystery. |
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Post by vastar iner on Nov 8, 2022 17:45:34 GMT 1
Not quite legal reasons, but The Kinks had to re-record one word in "Lola" because the BBC did not want to be seen advertising Coca Cola.
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Post by Sm1ffj on Nov 8, 2022 21:59:18 GMT 1
If i was out mooching the second hand shops for a 7" of Black Box Ride On Time how would i know what version it is. Did they slightly change the cat number for the re release or just add the words remix after it. Also the same question to Marrs Pump Up The Volume. And again also to Wet Wet Wet Sweet Litle Mystery. Not sure myself. But I purchased a few joblots off of ebay and found out by just playing the song, I was surprised when I played the marrs song when 2 thirds in it was the original version with roadblock sample in |
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Post by Robbie on Nov 8, 2022 22:09:59 GMT 1
If i was out mooching the second hand shops for a 7" of Black Box Ride On Time how would i know what version it is. Did they slightly change the cat number for the re release or just add the words remix after it. Also the same question to Marrs Pump Up The Volume. And again also to Wet Wet Wet Sweet Litle Mystery.
The re-recorded version of 'Ride On Time' has a different catalogue number and also includes (Remix) as part of the title. See:
There are two catalogue numbers for 'Pump Up The Volume:
R in the above catalogue number signifies "Re-issue" according to the second link but I don't know if that means after the sample of 'Roadblock' was removed.
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Post by Mark on Nov 9, 2022 0:36:25 GMT 1
If i was out mooching the second hand shops for a 7" of Black Box Ride On Time how would i know what version it is. Did they slightly change the cat number for the re release or just add the words remix after it. Also the same question to Marrs Pump Up The Volume. And again also to Wet Wet Wet Sweet Litle Mystery. Good question i have all three on 7" all bought second-hand apart from Ride On Time which which was bought when it came out |
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Post by Mark on Nov 9, 2022 1:29:51 GMT 1
Yes my version of Ride On Time 7" is the remix
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Post by Whitneyfan on Nov 9, 2022 6:41:33 GMT 1
Didn't the track 'Raving I'm Raving' get deleted due to illegally using bits from 'Walking in Memphis'? I bought a vompulation once with it on, and it was totally unrecognisable.
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Post by Robbie on Nov 9, 2022 9:16:55 GMT 1
Didn't the track 'Raving I'm Raving' get deleted due to illegally using bits from 'Walking in Memphis'? I bought a vompulation once with it on, and it was totally unrecognisable.
The wikipedia article on Shut Up And Dance, the duo that released the single, sums up the situation as
Marc Cohn, writer of 'Walking In Memphis' had been informed that if sales of copies of the single already pressed were prevented, the record label would fold with the loss of thousands of pounds. For that reason he allowed sales of those singles to take place.
The chart run of 'Raving I'm Raving' was 2-15-OUT, the shortest chart run for a top 10 single to that point since the chart had expanded to a top 50 in 1960.
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