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Post by LittleChristmasTurkey on Dec 21, 2007 14:18:32 GMT 1
Someone should have an album out for Father's/Mothers/Valentine's Day, it's traditional! And helps show false sales for a below average album. Glad to see Earl P echoing my thoughts on the whole concept, it's all about money and how much money the people behind it can make for the minimum of investment, and while people keep on watching it, they'll keep serving it up, just like Big Brother. Just Jack and Starz in their eyez got it spot on! I agree. But then, on the other hand, I'll quite happily spend 50p a week voting to keep my favourite in, because the amount of enjoyment I get from it is well worth that 50p. Compare it to the cinema for instance - £6 for 2 hours; X Factor is great entertainment for very little spend. I maintain my position that pretty much all of the final 12 were well below the standard of previous series, and I doubt any of them will have long lasting careers, if you don't count panto. The previous series have all given us at least one act that will (G4, Shayne, Leona).
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Post by musicfan2000 on Dec 21, 2007 14:35:56 GMT 1
i hoping SD release an album in spring time - with never had a dream on it....
hopefully they release that as a single
did simon sign them yet he was thinking about it???
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Post by Toy Toy's Boy on Dec 21, 2007 15:09:13 GMT 1
They always go on about "that was a karaoke performance" like that's a bad thing, but in reality X-Factor is no more than a glorified karaoke competition on TV. I agree. It's important to note that they don't have any equipment in their ears to keep them singing in tune etc. like professional singers do. It must be so tough for them and whether you like them or not, all of the last 4 probably could outsing a lot of big solo artists out there today in terms of live vocals. It was really apparent when SD duetted with Jason Donovan and he had an earpiece in but they didn't.
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Post by rubcale on Dec 21, 2007 15:11:51 GMT 1
Surely they'll have to change the format again? Given the way the public behave it's highly unlikely that a group could ever win this contest.
Five Live had another discussion on it this morning. Apparently Ofcom has now had over 2,600 complaints and is having a full investigation.
They also brought up the point which I originally made about O'Leary stating there was only 1% in it towards the end of the voting and if it was that close then how could the winner have ended up 10% ahead? Is there a case of deceiving the public? As others have suggested the whole exercise is to make money.
One point which maybe people have overlooked is that it has now been revealed that in 5 of the 7 votes prior to the final Leon beat Rhydian in 5 of them.
It's been quite entertaining hearing the heated debate in the last week but when all's said and done nobody's going to lose too much sleep over it.
From the little I've seen Leon has all the talent and personality of a wet dish rag and the public will quickly realise it
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Post by Smurfie on Dec 21, 2007 15:23:39 GMT 1
In fairness to Leon, you don't need a personality to shift records. I watched an interview on the TV with James Blunt the other day, and he looked equally as awkward in an interview situation, and had no on screen charisma or personality at all. Hasn't done him any harm.
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Post by Paul on Dec 21, 2007 15:44:51 GMT 1
They also brought up the point which I originally made about O'Leary stating there was only 1% in it towards the end of the voting and if it was that close then how could the winner have ended up 10% ahead? Is there a case of deceiving the public? As others have suggested the whole exercise is to make money. Yes, there's definitely something dodgy here. Either: 1) The 1% difference before the winner's song was not true 2) Or the 10% winning margin is not true 3) Or it is unfair that an act can have significantly more voting time after their performance (i.e. a break and another performance) than another act. Can that in itself explain a 9% increase? One point which maybe people have overlooked is that it has now been revealed that in 5 of the 7 votes prior to the final Leon beat Rhydian in 5 of them. It was said that Leon beat Rhydian in all 8 shows and that he topped the polls 5 times out of 8. I think it's a load of b****cks to be honest. They were at pains to give him poor placement for the middle of the show. Also remember that Simon knows all of the viewing figures every week. If Leon was as popular as that, Simon wouldn't have criticised him nearly as much
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Post by penny on Dec 21, 2007 15:58:14 GMT 1
They also brought up the point which I originally made about O'Leary stating there was only 1% in it towards the end of the voting and if it was that close then how could the winner have ended up 10% ahead? Is there a case of deceiving the public? As others have suggested the whole exercise is to make money. Yes, there's definitely something dodgy here. Either: 1) The 1% difference before the winner's song was not true 2) Or the 10% winning margin is not true 3) Or it is unfair that an act can have significantly more voting time after their performance (i.e. a break and another performance) than another act. Can that in itself explain a 9% increase? One point which maybe people have overlooked is that it has now been revealed that in 5 of the 7 votes prior to the final Leon beat Rhydian in 5 of them. It was said that Leon beat Rhydian in all 8 shows and that he topped the polls 5 times out of 8. I think it's a load of b****cks to be honest. They were at pains to give him poor placement for the middle of the show. Also remember that Simon knows all of the viewing figures every week. If Leon was as popular as that, Simon wouldn't have criticised him nearly as much[/b] I agree, and now that Ofcom have demanded that ITV hand over the week on week voting figures as part of their investigation, we should soon know the full picture. Far from being swept under the carpet as ITV would wish, the press coverage has intensified. If anyone has access to their telephone bill online and they tried and failed to register votes on Saturday, can you check your bill because more and more people are finding they have been charged for calls not registered. ITV are just going from bad to worse with the whole debacle
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Post by o on Dec 21, 2007 19:59:28 GMT 1
Someone should have an album out for Father's/Mothers/Valentine's Day, it's traditional! And helps show false sales for a below average album. Glad to see Earl P echoing my thoughts on the whole concept, it's all about money and how much money the people behind it can make for the minimum of investment, and while people keep on watching it, they'll keep serving it up, just like Big Brother. Just Jack and Starz in their eyez got it spot on! I agree. But then, on the other hand, I'll quite happily spend 50p a week voting to keep my favourite in, because the amount of enjoyment I get from it is well worth that 50p. Compare it to the cinema for instance - £6 for 2 hours; X Factor is great entertainment for very little spend. I maintain my position that pretty much all of the final 12 were well below the standard of previous series, and I doubt any of them will have long lasting careers, if you don't count panto. The previous series have all given us at least one act that will (G4, Shayne, Leona). Dont forget your licence fee, electricity for the tv and lights, drinks, snacks, it all adds up As for James B having no personality, he's a dish, Leon isn't
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Post by ManicKangaroo on Dec 21, 2007 20:12:46 GMT 1
As for James B having no personality, he's a dish *buys Andy new specs for Christmas*
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Post by S1m on Dec 22, 2007 1:11:50 GMT 1
He didn't say a dish of what... Oh and I agree with Andy that LittleChicken seems to have overlooked the small matter of the licence fee when factoring how much his "entertainment" costs!
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Post by Da Quen B on Dec 22, 2007 2:16:46 GMT 1
Andy was robbed! I bet Dannii made him sing the abysmal Chasing Cars because he has better boobs than she does! And why is it every year the supporters of the losers start soiling their pampers and claim it was a fix? Leon won, the wailing gimp from the valleys lost - and deservedly so. But more importantly Team Minogue got two acts in the final two - take that Louis and Sharon you vile and bitter old hags!
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Post by LittleChristmasTurkey on Dec 22, 2007 3:08:02 GMT 1
He didn't say a dish of what... Oh and I agree with Andy that LittleChicken seems to have overlooked the small matter of the licence fee when factoring how much his "entertainment" costs! Not at all. As anybody who evaluates investment proposals as part of their job will be able to tell you, incidental costs, or costs which would be incurred whatever the result of the decision is, should not be considered as relevant to the case at hand. Therefore, costs for food, TV licence, electricty etc are irrelevant to the case at point - they would be incurred whether I watched and voted on X Factor or not.
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Post by S1m on Dec 22, 2007 12:35:40 GMT 1
He didn't say a dish of what... Oh and I agree with Andy that LittleChicken seems to have overlooked the small matter of the licence fee when factoring how much his "entertainment" costs! Not at all. As anybody who evaluates investment proposals as part of their job will be able to tell you, incidental costs, or costs which would be incurred whatever the result of the decision is, should not be considered as relevant to the case at hand. Therefore, costs for food, TV licence, electricty etc are irrelevant to the case at point - they would be incurred whether I watched and voted on X Factor or not. Not necessarily, you might only watch the X Factor and therefore only pay your licence for that privilege! You seem to have enough to say about the X Factor that I could believe it's the only show you watch. ;D
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Post by LittleChristmasTurkey on Dec 22, 2007 14:53:23 GMT 1
Not at all. As anybody who evaluates investment proposals as part of their job will be able to tell you, incidental costs, or costs which would be incurred whatever the result of the decision is, should not be considered as relevant to the case at hand. Therefore, costs for food, TV licence, electricty etc are irrelevant to the case at point - they would be incurred whether I watched and voted on X Factor or not. Not necessarily, you might only watch the X Factor and therefore only pay your licence for that privilege! You seem to have enough to say about the X Factor that I could believe it's the only show you watch. ;D But it isn't.....
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Post by o on Dec 22, 2007 20:07:41 GMT 1
He watches Big Brother as well.
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Post by Earl Purple on Dec 22, 2007 22:28:06 GMT 1
I'd like to see different mentors that are not judges.
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Post by Hitstastic on Dec 22, 2007 22:30:02 GMT 1
10 reasons why this years X Factor was a complete and utter anti-climax and therfore failed: 1. Rhydian should've won 2. Leon shouldn't have been in the final 2 (he should have actually gone well before then!!!) 3. Of all the songs in the world that Simon could have chose as the debut single, he chooses 'When You Believe'!!! 4. Why was Leon so petrified of holding that girls hand during the semi-final. 5. Why did he "hold back". Ie; when he sang 'When You Believe' on the final first time round, he stunned the judges when he hit the high note right at the end. Why doesn't he do this on the studio version? No artist should be "holding back" but showing off their vocal ability as much as possible. (I'm sure Mariah Carey fans would be bitterly disappointed if she sang one of her "big ballads" without even attempting one high note...some would argue it's improve the song ) 6. He got the Scottish vote. 7. He got the sympathy vote semi final week. THAT performance (when he held the girls hand) I'm convinced people only voted for him because they felt sorry for him. He was as flat as a fart - even a song running on dead batteries would've sounded more tuneful. 8. He was extremely imconsistant. He had his moments when I thought "that was quite good ", but these were way outnumbered by moments of "my poor ears ". 9. Leon will be as successful as fellow Scottish reality winners Michelle McManus and David Sneddon (who? exactly...) 10. The real winner of this year X Factor was Leon...a (keep bleeding, keep keep bleeding love...). Now there's a reality winner who will be around for a long time. Leon will be lucky to last six months before he cracks under the pressure and does a Rick Astley (ie; calls it a day). (we can but hope!!!)
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Post by S1m on Dec 23, 2007 1:24:05 GMT 1
Good points, well made!
If only Leona had put out a cd2 this week with some delicious festive mix of "Bleeding Love", "All I Want For Christmas is You", interactive video footage of her doing something saucy (for the straight fans) and a duet of "Save Your Love" with Rhydian. Maybe she could have sneaked back up to #1. I'm thinking she'd be pictured on the cover wearing a kilt or something to entice those militant jocks. ;D
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Post by Earl Purple on Dec 23, 2007 3:51:18 GMT 1
1. Rhydian should've wonYes but he sang the wrong songs on finals week and didn't hit it off at all with Kathryn Jenkins. Was it just because she's Welsh that he duetted with her? Meanwhile Leon did his duet with Kylie with confidence - something he may have lacked in previous rounds. Leon should have done a better Christmas song than White Christmas but Rhydian's was also just plain boring. 2. Leon shouldn't have been in the final 2 (he should have actually gone well before then!!!)Not sure the two divas (Bev and Niki) should have gone but Hope certainly had to go before him. Once again, on semi-final week Niki wasn't quite perfect enough. 3. Of all the songs in the world that Simon could have chose as the debut single, he chooses 'When You Believe'!!! Yes but it was not the song itself but the fact there had to be one. That song may have suited Niki, Rhydian should have done something operatic, Leon something jazz/swing based and Same Difference something uptempo and fun. If there did have to be a "winner's song" it might have been something original. Interesting to note that the only one so far that was was also the biggest selling. 4. Why was Leon so petrified of holding that girls hand during the semi-final.Was he? Anyway, it's a singing contest. 5. Why did he "hold back". Ie; when he sang 'When You Believe' on the final first time round, he stunned the judges when he hit the high note right at the end. Why doesn't he do this on the studio version? No artist should be "holding back" but showing off their vocal ability as much as possible.I didn't actually notice, I just felt he was uncomfortable out of his zone. 6. He got the Scottish vote.Who says? 7. He got the sympathy vote semi final week. THAT performance (when he held the girls hand) I'm convinced people only voted for him because they felt sorry for him. He was as flat as a fart - even a song running on dead batteries would've sounded more tuneful. I don't know why people voted for him, but maybe they just didn't vote for Niki. 8. He was extremely imconsistant. He had his moments when I thought "that was quite good ", but these were way outnumbered by moments of "my poor ears ".
Because actually I think they often concentrate on gimmicks too much on that show. How much do they rehearse beforehand? Do they even notice that the singer is struggling with a song in rehearsal and change their mind? Having said all that though, they do cut-down versions of the song, and therefore take the stage for just 2 minutes, maybe. Hardly time to "warm up" and it's not like they're going out there singing a song they've done live a number of times before. 9. Leon will be as successful as fellow Scottish reality winners Michelle McManus and David Sneddon (who? exactly...)A bit of a shame about Sneddon because I quite liked Fame Academy. They got them writing their own stuff and releasing original material. It wasn't a songwriting competition though, so ultimately Lemar was more successful than he was. Lemar was the real "Fame Academy" winner. 10. The real winner of this year X Factor was Leon...a (keep bleeding, keep keep bleeding love...). Now there's a reality winner who will be around for a long time. Leon will be lucky to last six months before he cracks under the pressure and does a Rick Astley (ie; calls it a day).Rick Astley was going for 4 years though before he called it a day. (we can but hope!!!)[/quote]
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