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Post by Razzle Dazzle on Aug 26, 2009 8:27:17 GMT 1
that would only hurt the real fans, not the few 100 thugs that only went to cause trouble because it was milwall. the same can be said as the milwall fans because it was them stabbing people, putting windows out, chiseling bricks off houses and pelting west ham fans with them including families! they only happened to have enough stewards to contain them in the ground but outside they both organised viollence. funny it only happens when milwall are involved
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Post by Razzle Dazzle on Aug 26, 2009 13:40:44 GMT 1
a few things the media have failed to pick up on were the hundreds of millwall fans that came to the ground without tickets to stab west ham fans or throw bricks at them before the game and then during the game they were making monkey noises at carlton cole and mocking jack collison whose dad died 48 hours earlier in a motorcycle accident. thery can ban the west ham idiots that came on the pitch to celebrate the goal and they should ban them for life but it seems millwall have got off lightly so far, atleast in the eyes of the media
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Post by Panda on Aug 26, 2009 13:46:56 GMT 1
a few things the media have failed to pick up on were the hundreds of millwall fans that came to the ground without tickets to stab west ham fans or throw bricks at them before the game and then during the game they were making monkey noises at carlton cole and mocking jack collison whose dad died 48 hours earlier in a motorcycle accident. thery can ban the west ham idiots that came on the pitch to celebrate the goal and they should ban them for life but it seems millwall have got off lightly so far, atleast in the eyes of the media I think the problem is anything that happens inside the ground is going to get more attention in the media and most of trouble there came from the West Ham fans, whereas most of the trouble outside the ground seemed to be caused by Millwall fans... Whilst there was undoubtedly an organised element to what happened last night, I wouldn't be surprised if many of those who ended up getting involved were simply chavs who got a hard-on after watching Green Street.
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Post by Razzle Dazzle on Aug 26, 2009 18:16:12 GMT 1
yeah thats what i thought aswel, it was a mix of fat old bald hooligans that haven't been to a game in 10 year but because it was west ham v millwall they went just to case trouble and a load of chavs joined in because green street is "cool". the real west ham fans in the season ticket end were booing the people who ran on the pitch.
i saw this coming a mile off, i know a load of newcastle fans that go to newcastle away games, snort coke on the train down and tank up on beer to cause trouble because its "cool". bunch of idiots watch the football factory or green street and think it is big and hard. happens week in week out at every club but on a much lower scale.
life imitating art, the police, the fa, west ham, they just set it up for dicks to be dicks and it happened.
however it is a bit unfair to blame the west ham stewards, they get paid pennies and when hundreds big fat hooligans charge all at once it is impossible to stop them. i know for a fact they would have requested more police assistance but the police thought they had adequate numbers. any idiot knew this would happen so why did the fa allow millwall fans in at all? if theres no millwall fans then the idiots that go for trouble wouldn't have gone to the game. and millwall fans in the ground were not innocent either, they racially abused black players, ripped seats up and threw missiles on the pitch.
who knows what will happen now. i feel sorry for jack collison, he was on the pitch after the game trying to get the morons off the pitch after playing the full game 48 hours after his dad died and was clearly devistated
and after earlier in the week some thug stabbed davenport repeatedly in the legs and he might not play again, its been a very testing week and maybe emotions boiled over but everyone that can be recognised on the pitch should get life bans, both teams should be fined and future games between the two to be played behind closed doors atleast
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Post by Maximo Mark on Aug 26, 2009 19:15:07 GMT 1
Most people seem to have commended the police and stewards for how well they did and said it could have been a whole lot worst without them, it's unfair to say they weren't doing anything. Maybe they were underprepared but that's certainly not the fault of the police and stewards who were there, that comes from much higher up.
Personally, I'm surprised it was allowed to be played. One of the fiercest rivalries in football who haven't played each other for over four years. If it was a league match the latest it would've been played is mid-day. But because it's a cup it's perfectly fine to have it played after the pubs have been open for 10 hours... The only surprising thing is that people are surprised something like this happened.
It's why I can't stand Millwall, their fans are far worse than any other sets of fans in the country. A few years ago when we were both Championship sides there was a ban between Forest and Millwall fans travelling to the opposite game, so both games were 100% home fans in attendance. They did this with 4 or 5 other clubs too. Why? What the f*** have Forest and Millwall got to hate each other for. They're a vile bunch of scum and whilst I don't condone what they West Ham fans did, they're getting an unfair rap after watching the opposition taunt three of their players. One who's father tragically died at the weekend, one who got stabbed and one who's black who had monkey noises at him. It's hardly surprising some of them wanted to give it back after a dramatic finale which went in their favour...
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Post by suedehead on Aug 26, 2009 20:57:02 GMT 1
I assume the rules of the competition dictate how many tickets have to be made available to away fans. In any event, given the short distance between the two clubs, plenty of Millwall supporters would probably still have turned up. Away supporters can be excluded from league games but I don't think that applies to cup games.
The chants about Calum Davenport and Jack Collinson plus the racial chants really are beneath contempt. That sort of behaviour makes me ashamed to be a football fan. What saddens me most is my experience when I lived in Woking. I travelled to a number of away FA Cup ties, including Millwall. Woking won that game and the response of the Millwall fans was among the best I've ever witnessed as an away supporter.
There wasn't much that could be done about the kick-off time given that it's a midweek competition. If they'd been ordered to play at, say mid-day, both clubs would have demanded compensation for the loss of gate receipts.
I don't agree that everyone involved should be banned from football grounds for life. After all, how do you define "involved". Impose a lifetime ban on anyone found carrying a knife by all means but to apply the same penalty to everyone involved, even if only in a minor way, is just a gross over-reaction.
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Post by frag on Oct 30, 2009 0:46:29 GMT 1
A year without Cupsets, it seems. (Although would it be classed as a Cupset if Portsmouth or Blackburn get past the quarter-final stage?)
This year's quarter-finalists consist of the six teams with the best points-per-game average in the Premier League, plus those two. Does that mean that it's a boring season for the Carling Cup, or just that the excitement is yet to come?
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Post by Shireblogger on Oct 30, 2009 9:27:03 GMT 1
Does that mean that it's a boring season for the Carling Cup, or just that the excitement is yet to come? It means it's a boring season. When the semis and the final are played between clubs that don't really care, and field their reserves, then it has the feeling of a pre-season friendly tournament for me. It's been much better in the past when clubs like Middlesbrough, Leicester, Wigan, Bolton and Blackburn have been in the final.
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Post by Robin on Oct 30, 2009 9:30:48 GMT 1
I've not followed this competition at all this year (for the first time since I got into football). I have no idea who's left in it and don't really care! The competition is certainly not what it was!
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Post by frag on Oct 30, 2009 18:25:00 GMT 1
Does that mean that it's a boring season for the Carling Cup, or just that the excitement is yet to come? It means it's a boring season. When the semis and the final are played between clubs that don't really care, and field their reserves, then it has the feeling of a pre-season friendly tournament for me. It's been much better in the past when clubs like Middlesbrough, Leicester, Wigan, Bolton and Blackburn have been in the final. Teams like Manchester City have fielded surprisingly strong line-ups, and I'm sure that if Spurs get any further, they'll sniff silverware a year early (they're not due a cup win until 2011) and field a strong team.
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