2013/14 Predictions Thread

[Panda]

It's footy season time again!  That means it's time to predict what's going to happen and see who looks like a clever Trevor in May.


PREMIER LEAGUE
Arsenal
Aston Villa
Cardiff City
Chelsea
Crystal Palace
Everton
Fulham
Hull City
Liverpool
Manchester City
Manchester United
Newcastle United
Norwich City
Southampton
Stoke City
Sunderland
Swansea City
Tottenham Hotspur
West Bromwich Albion
West Ham United

CHAMPIONSHIP
Barnsley
Birmingham City
Blackburn Rovers
Blackpool
Bolton Wanderers
AFC Bournemouth
Brighton & Hove Albion
Burnley
Charlton Athletic
Derby County
Doncaster Rovers
Huddersfield Town
Ipswich Town
Leeds United
Leicester City
Middlesbrough
Millwall
Nottingham Forest
Queens Park Rangers
Reading
Sheffield Wednesday
Watford
Wigan Athletic
Yeovil Town

LEAGUE ONE
Bradford City
Brentford
Bristol City
Carlisle United
Colchester United
Coventry City
Crawley Town
Crewe Alexandra
Gillingham
Leyton Orient
Milton Keynes Dons
Notts County
Oldham Athletic
Peterborough United
Port Vale
Preston North End
Rotherham United
Sheffield United
Shrewsbury Town
Stevenage
Swindon Town
Tranmere Rovers
Walsall
Wolverhampton Wanderers

LEAGUE TWO
Accrington Stanley
Bristol Rovers
Burton Albion
Bury
Cheltenham Town
Chesterfield
Dagenham & Redbridge
Exeter City
Fleetwood Town
Hartlepool United
Mansfield Town
Morecambe
Newport County
Northampton Town
Oxford United
Plymouth Argyle
Portsmouth
Rochdale
Scunthorpe United
Southend United
Torquay United
Wimbledon
Wycombe Wanderers
York City

CONFERENCE PREMIER
Aldershot Town
Alfreton Town
Barnet
Braintree Town
Cambridge United
Chester
Dartford
Forest Green Rovers
Gateshead
Grimsby Town
Halifax Town
Hereford United
Hyde
Kidderminster Harriers
Lincoln City
Luton Town
Macclesfield Town
Nuneaton Town
Salisbury City
Southport
Tamworth
Welling United
Woking
Wrexham

SCOTTISH PREMIER
Aberdeen
Celtic
Dundee United
Heart of Midlothian
Hibernian
Inverness Caledonian Thistle
Kilmarnock
Motherwell
Partick Thistle
Ross County
St. Johnstone
St. Mirren

[Panda]

FourFourTwo's predictions:

PREMIER LEAGUE
1. Chelsea
2. Man City
3. Man Utd
4. Arsenal
5. Tottenham
6. Liverpool
7. Swansea
8. West Ham
9. Southampton
10. Everton
11. Aston Villa
12. West Brom
13. Newcastle
14. Fulham
15. Norwich
16. Cardiff
17. Stoke
18. Sunderland
19. Hull
20. Crystal Palace

CHAMPIONSHIP
1. Reading
2. Bolton
3. Leeds
4. Charlton
5. Forest
6. Ipswich
7. Derby
8. Leicester
9. Wigan
10. Birmingham
11. Brighton
12. Watford
13. Middlesbrough
14. QPR
15. Blackpool
16. Burnley
17. Sheff Wed
18. Bournemouth
19. Blackburn
20. Barnsley
21. Huddersfield
22. Millwall
23. Doncaster
24. Yeovil

LEAGUE ONE
1. Peterborough
2. Brentford
3. Wolves
4. Preston
5. Bradford
6. MK Dons
7. Sheff Utd
8. Tranmere
9. Rotherham
10. Bristol C
11. Coventry
12. Gillingham
13. Stevenage
14. Leyton Orient
15. Swindon
16. Colchester
17. Carlisle
18. Crewe
19. Port Vale
20. Crawley
21. Walsall
22. Oldham
23. Notts County
24. Shrewsbury

LEAGUE TWO
1. Chesterfield
2. Fleetwood
3. Portsmouth
4. Scunthorpe
5. Cheltenham
6. Oxford
7. Bristol R
8. Northampton
9. Rochdale
10. Newport
11. Burton
12. Mansfield
13. Southend
14. Wycombe
15. Plymouth
16. York
17. Torquay
18. Bury
19. Hartlepool
20. Exeter
21. Morecambe
22. Wimbledon
23. Accrington
24. Dag & Red

CONFERENCE
1. Kidderminster
2. Grimsby
3. Forest Green
4. Luton
5. Wrexham
6. Cambridge
7. Barnet
8. Hereford
9. Woking
10. Chester
11. Tamworth
12. Braintree
13. Gateshead
14. Halifax
15. Welling
16. Alfreton
17. Dartford
18. Lincoln
19. Nuneaton
20. Hyde
21. Salisbury
22. Macclesfield
23. Southport
24. Aldershot

SCOTTISH PREMIER
1. Celtic
2. Aberdeen
3. Motherwell
4. St. Johnstone
5. Dundee Utd
6. Hibernian
7. Inverness
8. St. Mirren
9. Ross
10. Partick
11. Kilmarnock
12. Hearts

[Panda]

Right, I'll go first:

I'll leave the Premier League until the transfer shenanigans are finished.


CHAMPIONSHIP
Promoted: Reading, Leeds
Playoffs: Wigan, Bolton, Leicester, Birmingham
Relegated: Barnsley, Yeovil, Huddersfield

LEAGUE ONE
Promoted: Wolves, Peterborough
Playoffs: MK Dons, Sheff Utd, Brentford, Preston
Relegated: Coventry, Swindon, Oldham, Stevenage

LEAGUE TWO
Promoted: Portsmouth, Cheltenham, Chesterfield
Playoffs: Burton, Bristol Rovers, Scunthorpe, Hartlepool
Relegated: Dagenham, Exeter

CONFERENCE
Promoted: Grimsby
Playoffs: Forest Green, Kidderminster, Luton, Barnet
Relegated: Aldershot, Hyde, Halifax, Macclesfield

SCOTTISH PREMIER
2nd: St. Johnstone
Relegated: Hearts

NORTHERN LEAGUE DIV 1
Champions: Spennymoor
Top 3: Celtic Nation, Shildon
Relegated: Hebburn, Billingham Town, Bedlington

NORTHERN LEAGUE DIV 2
Promoted: Jarrow Roofing, Seaham, Northallerton
Relegated: Esh Winning, Alnwick

[suedehead]

Aug 2, 2013 14:50:12 GMT 1 Panda said:

Right, I'll go first:

I'll leave the Premier League until the transfer shenanigans are finished.


CHAMPIONSHIP
Promoted: Reading, Leeds

A promotion festival then

[suedehead]

Here are the current quotes for points totals on Sporting Index.  In each case I've given the mid point of the quoted range.

Premier League

Chelsea 81
Manchester City 81
Manchester United 79
Arsenal 73.5
Tottenham Hotspur 65.5
Liverpool 65
Everton 53.5
Newcastle United 45.5
Southampton 45.5
Swansea City 45.5
West Bromwich Albion 44
West Ham United 43.5
Aston Villa 43.5
Fulham 42.5
Sunderland 42.5
Norwich City 40.5
Stoke City 40
Cardiff City 37.5
Hull City 34
Crystal Palace 31.5


Championship

Queens Park Rangers 75.5
Watford 74.5
Wigan Athletic 72
Bolton Wanderers 71.5
Brighton & Hove Albion 70
Nottingham Forest 70
Leicester City 69.5
Leeds United 65.5
Ipswich Town 64.5
Derby County 63.5
AFC Bournemouth 62
Blackburn Rovers 61.5
Charlton Athletic 59
Birmingham City 59
Middlesbrough 58.5
Sheffield Wednesday 57.5
Millwall 56
Blackpool 55.5
Huddersfield Town 55
Burnley 55
Barnsley 53
Doncaster Rovers 52
Yeovil Town 49

For some reason Reading are missing.  Do they know something I don't?


League One

Wolverhampton Wanderers 77
Bristol City 73.5
Brentford 73
Peterborough United 73
Franchise FC (MK Dons) 72
Sheffield United 71.5
Preston North End 71
Rotherham United 66
Bradford City 64
Gillingham 63
Swindon Town 62.5
Leyton Orient 62
Crawley Town 61
Crewe Alexandra 60.5
Tranmere Rovers 59.5
Port Vale 58
Notts County 57.5
Coventry City No quote
Oldham Athletic 56.5
Walsall 55.5
Carlisle United 54.5
Shrewsbury Town 53.5
Colchester United 52
Stevenage 52

No quote for Coventry given their current plight.


League Two

Portsmouth 74.5
Chesterfield 74.5
Fleetwood 72.5
Cheltenham 71
Bristol Rovers 69.5
Oxford United 69.5
Northampton Town 69
Burton Albion 68.5
Scunthorpe United 68
Hartlepool United 65
Wycombe Wanderers 62
Rochdale 62
Southend United 59.5
Bury 59.5
Plymouth Argyle 59
Exeter City 59
Mansfield Town 58.5
York City 57
Newport 56.5
Torquay United 55
AFC Wimbledon 55
Morecambe 54
Dagenham & Redbridge 51.5
Accrington Stanley 51

[Maximo Mark]

I can't see past Watford for the Championship title. I wrote a preview for the Championship last weekend and said I could see at least 18 teams have a chance at the play-offs.

01 Watford
02 Reading
-
03 Wigan
04 Forest
05 Bolton
06 Ipswich
-
07 Derby
08 Blackburn
09 Leicester
10 Millwall
11 Leeds
12 QPR
13 Barnsley
14 Brighton
15 Middlesbrough
16 Sheffield Wednesday
17 Huddersfield
18 Charlton
19 Bournemouth
20 Birmingham
21 Yeovil
22 Doncaster
23 Blackpool
24 Burnley

[Tom]

1 QPR 87
2 Forest 80
3 Leeds 79
4 Reading 78
5/6 Ipswich 74
5/6 Watford 74
7 Bolton 72
8 Bournemouth 69 
9 Leicester 68
10 Huddersfield 67
11-13 Brighton 65
11-13 Charlton 65
11-13 Blackpool 65
14-16 Derby 61
14-16 Burnley 61
14-16 Blackburn 61
17/18 Barnsley 60
17/18 Wigan 60 
19 Sheffield Wednesday 58
20 Yeovil 57
21 Birmingham 56
22 Middlesbrough 54
23 Millwall 53
24 Doncaster 46/47

Birmingham may miss Redmond more than I realise in which case i'd swap them with Boro. If Thomas Ince leaves Blackpool, and I am surprised he's still there, before the summer transfer window shuts I think they'll probably go down.

[Tom]

Leagues 1 and 2

Phil Parkinson did an amazing job getting Bradford promoted and it wouldn't surprise me if he took them up again (though I wouldn't say automatically). He did take Colchester to an unexpected promotion from this division before after all..

Gillingham I thought needed to improve the squad, they relied a lot on loan players in winning the title last season. They seem to have done this with the signings of Akinfenwa and Cody McDonald (2 great loan spells for the latter - one last season and the other under Hess I think). I thought they needed to improve their home form to do well this season i.e. to challenge for the playoffs (they went down last time at this level because of the complete contrast between their home record and away record - then it was their home record that was much stronger), but on the evidence of the odd pre-season result I've heard it doesn't seem to have done. So no playoff push but would still like to think they'll survive finishing anywhere from mid-table to 20th.

For o Mansfield - don't think there's a big difference between conf and this division, step up yes but that's all. 2 key departures but without knowing how good or bad the signings are (none stood out as being names i'd heard of) I think you'll stay up, maybe fairly comfortably with say 58/59 points to finish lower half mid-table. 

[Shireblogger]

Jul 31, 2013 14:52:34 GMT 1 Panda said:

It's footy season time again!  That means it's time to predict what's going to happen and see who looks like a clever Trevor in May.


PREMIER LEAGUE
Arsenal
Aston Villa
Cardiff City
Chelsea
Crystal Palace
Everton
Fulham
Hull City
Liverpool
Manchester City
Manchester United
Newcastle United
Norwich City
Southampton
Stoke City
Sunderland
Swansea City
Tottenham Hotspur
West Bromwich Albion
West Ham United

I think your prediction that they'll finish in alphabetical order is a little unlikely.

[Shireblogger]

[Shireblogger]

Both 4-4-2 and Sporting Index are wildly overestimating Southampton for 2013/14. At best, they'll improve by 2-3 places on 2012/13.

[suedehead]

Aug 2, 2013 23:42:56 GMT 1 Shireblogger said:

Both 4-4-2 and Sporting Index are wildly overestimating Southampton for 2013/14. At best, they'll improve by 2-3 places on 2012/13.

I think Sporting Index are also over-estimating Bournemouth although, as they are my local league side, I'd love to be proved wrong.

[Tom]

If you see my predictions you'll see that in my opinion they're not overestimating Bournemouth at all Eddie Howe's points per game last season would have seen Bournemouth close to 100 points, and unlike Chris Powell who IIRC took Charlton up with 102 points in 2011-12 Howe has the advantage of Championship experience. Whilst on the face of it the idea of Bournemouth finishing Top 6 seems fanciful, and the signings don't suggest the playoffs are the aim, while I may have slightly overestimated them myself I do genuinely believe they will finish top half. If anything Howe may prove to be a better Championship manager for Bournemouth than he was for Burnley simply because they are his club. I hope i'm proved right as I like him as a manager and it would be nice to see him continue to do well at Bournemouth.  

[Tom]

After thinking about my predictions a bit more in the last couple of days (nothing to do with yesterday's results) I've changed my Championship table. Got a gut feeling that Forest will be 2nd and it will be a Leeds-Reading playoff final...

Also, think I was harsh on Donny and having also looked at their summer signings it's made a really big difference to their points total. They're still finishing bottom though...

[suedehead]

Aug 4, 2013 11:32:24 GMT 1 Tom said:

If you see my predictions you'll see that in my opinion they're not overestimating Bournemouth at all Eddie Howe's points per game last season would have seen Bournemouth close to 100 points, and unlike Chris Powell who IIRC took Charlton up with 102 points in 2011-12 Howe has the advantage of Championship experience. Whilst on the face of it the idea of Bournemouth finishing Top 6 seems fanciful, and the signings don't suggest the playoffs are the aim, while I may have slightly overestimated them myself I do genuinely believe they will finish top half. If anything Howe may prove to be a better Championship manager for Bournemouth than he was for Burnley simply because they are his club. I hope i'm proved right as I like him as a manager and it would be nice to see him continue to do well at Bournemouth.  

I certainly agree that Howe is better equipped to do well this year than he was at Burnley.  The extra experience as well as the fact that Bournemouth are his club should help.  He has been a favourite at Bournemouth since his playing days so it's great to see him doing well.  He says himself that the Burnley job was too big for him at the time (he's still only 35) but he felt under pressure to move after turning down other jobs.  He was afraid of being accused of lacking ambition.  I'm sure most supporters would be delighted with a mid-table finish.

[Tom]

Have had a rethink on Bolton's key departures, Marcus Alonso and Kevin Davies, and have adjusted Bolton up accordingly. I may do an updated table once the transfer window has shut if any big notable deals go through between now and then.

My PL table will go up at the end of the window, too much seems to happen in the final 2 weeks of August and I can certainly see that being the case this year. It would be a lot easier if the window closed before the season started...

[Maximo Mark]

01 - Man City
02 - Chelsea
03 - Man Utd
04 - Arsenal
05 - Liverpool
06 - Spurs
07 - Swansea
08 - Norwich
09 - Everton
10 - Fulham
11 - West Ham
12 - Aston Villa
13 - Stoke
14 - Southampton
15 - Cardiff
16 - Newcastle
17 - Sunderland
18 - West Brom
19 - Hull
20 - Palace

[Razzle Dazzle]

PREMIER LEAGUE
1. Chelsea
2. Man City
3. Man Utd
4. Arsenal
5. Liverpool
6. Tottenham
7. Everton
8. Swansea
9. Newcastle
10. Fulham
11. West Ham
12. Southampton
13. Aston Villa
14. Norwich
15. Sunderland
16. West Brom
17. Hull
18. Cardiff
19. Stoke
20. Crystal Palace

[Razzle Dazzle]

CHAMPIONSHIP
01 Wigan
02. Watford
-
03 Reading
04 QPR
05 Bolton
06 Forest
-
07 Blackburn
08 Leeds
09 Leicester
10 Ipswich
11 Middlesbrough
12 Brighton
13 Derby
14 Birmingham
15 Charlton
16 Blackpool
17 Bournemouth
18 Burnley
19 Yeovil
20 Doncaster
21 Millwall
22 Barnsley
23 Huddersfield
24 Sheffield Wednesday

[Razzle Dazzle]

LEAGUE ONE
Promoted: Peterborough, Brentford
Playoffs: Sheff Utd, Wolves, Preston, Bradford
Relegated: Shrewsbury, Coventry, Swindon, Walsall


LEAGUE TWO
Promoted: Chesterfield, Scunthorpe, Portsmouth
Playoffs: Oxford, Fleetwood, Bristol Rovers, Cheltenham,
Relegated: Dag & Red, Morecambe