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Post by raliverpool on Sept 7, 2016 22:14:41 GMT 1
Murray a break down in the 5th set. This is looking serious.
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Post by Robbie on Sept 7, 2016 22:50:53 GMT 1
Could Murray be producing a great comeback? He's played poorly and is constantly muttering to himself - which is never a good sign - but he's pulled it back to 4-4 after looking like he was going to get beat.
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Post by Robbie on Sept 7, 2016 22:53:11 GMT 1
Yes! Break and you've won!
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Post by Robbie on Sept 7, 2016 23:10:26 GMT 1
Ah, well. It wasn't meant to happen...
The better player won.
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Post by Tom on Sept 9, 2016 18:00:23 GMT 1
Didn't see the Murray match, which for the most part was probably just as well, but I blame the roof. As soon as I heard they were closing it it spelt trouble. As they said on 5 Live Nishikori is a better indoor player, I thought back to the Davis Cup tie this year when Murray just edged an epic 5 setter, when obviously he had home advantage, and Nishikori beating him at the O2 tour finals a couple of years back. Murray's comments about the unique indoor conditions on Ashe suggested he was going to struggle to maintain his focus as well. It did seem reminiscent of the 2012 Wimbledon final against Federer, roof closes when Murray in a good position and struggles from then on. It seems there was a crucial point early in the 4th set which Murray won but a let was called and he let it distract him for the rest of the set, reminded me of Nadal 2011 Wimbledon SF when Murray was the better player, lost a point he should have won early in the 2nd set when a set up IIRC and he never recovered.
I don't even understand why they closed the roof. Katie Swan was playing a junior doubles and it didn't start much later than I thought it would so it doesn't seem as though the rain lasted that long. Couldn't they have waited to see how long the rain would last for? Oh well, Jamie Murray is in the doubles final, surprisingly I would say, so hopefully the tournament will end with some British success.
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Post by rubcale on Sept 9, 2016 18:23:18 GMT 1
I think the point in the fourth set was at the start when Andy had break point and a machine malfunctioed causing a large noise. He appeared to be in charge of this point but the umpire ordered it to be replayed and then he completely lost focus.
He wsn't really on form from the beginning of the event except against Dimitov. Against lowly ranked players he wasn't really focusing that well and lost sets needlessly.
Personally I think he made a big mistake rushing to Cincinnati immmediately after the Olympics.
It was a bad defeat though. Nishikori plays a similar game but Andy is definitely the better player although as you say they have had some close matches indoors.
I actually thought he would lose to del Potro in the semis but that wouldn't have happened since he surprisingly imo went out against Wawrinka who has had a wretched year.
Going to be interesting in the Davis Cup next week in Glasgow. Andy could lose to del Potro but you would expect either Evans or Edmund to manage a victory. Going to be interesting to see who gets the second singles spot. Played on a hard court.
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Post by Tom on Sept 9, 2016 19:21:53 GMT 1
I think the point in the fourth set was at the start when Andy had break point and a machine malfunctioed causing a large noise. He appeared to be in charge of this point but the umpire ordered it to be replayed and then he completely lost focus. He wsn't really on form from the beginning of the event except against Dimitov. Against lowly ranked players he wasn't really focusing that well and lost sets needlessly. Personally I think he made a big mistake rushing to Cincinnati immmediately after the Olympics. It was a bad defeat though. Nishikori plays a similar game but Andy is definitely the better player although as you say they have had some close matches indoors. I actually thought he would lose to del Potro in the semis but that wouldn't have happened since he surprisingly imo went out against Wawrinka who has had a wretched year. Going to be interesting in the Davis Cup next week in Glasgow. Andy could lose to del Potro but you would expect either Evans or Edmund to manage a victory. Going to be interesting to see who gets the second singles spot. Played on a hard court. Yea I was surprised Del Potro lost as well. Wonder what Evans thinks of Wawrinka reaching the semis given how close he was to knocking him out. Normally i'd like to see Nishikori win the title from here, must be the best player not to have won a slam yet in the men's game, but if he did i'll be left thinking it could have been Andy so not sure how fussed I am really.
I'd go as far as to say the Davis Cup SF is bigger than last year's final, the prospect of Murray-Del Potro and unlike the final when going into it the singles was all about Andy this time the other singles matches look exciting as well for a change. Will be fascinating to see who gets the nod, not sure US Open form will really play a part. Read some interesting analysis about a month ago about the speed of the court and who it might favour. The opponents will surely play a part too, given Pablo's comment about the Olympics a slow court will surely work against Del Potro which would favour Kyle getting picked, but would that help the other Argentine players? Got a hunch that it will be Kyle after what he did in Serbia, but I think Glasgow is a slow court anyway. Also, will Andy play doubles, he'll be playing Del Potro on the first day which given that it's got the potential to be much longer than a usual opening match makes a significant difference imo.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 12, 2016 9:52:42 GMT 1
Well, I think Wawrinka deserved that win. Dan Evans must be thinking of what might have been!
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Post by rubcale on Sept 12, 2016 10:45:38 GMT 1
Hard to believe Dan Evans had match point to beat Waerinka just a week ago. Djokovic had better get his personal life sorted out quickly or the men's game is going to become a bit random like the women's at the minute. Wawrinka hadn't beaten a top 10 player this year until USO. TBH, he's a player I'm not awfully keen on. Great to see JamieM win the men's doubles - he's having a strange year one minute Jekyll the next Hyde. Congrats to Angelique Kerber on becoming world #1. Good though she is I wouldn't say she's a great player. With Serena definitely on the wane I think the women's game will reman random with umpteen players capable of winning any Slam - I can see the top position changing hands quite often. Regrettably I'd have to say it's a weak era. Tom, are you still holding to your position on Konta? I think she's a lower top 20 player. If she gets a couple of lucky draws she could go top 10 but go me it would be an inflated position. Any time recently she's had the chance she's lost the match. If she doesn't get a couple of good results soon she'll be in troube by the time the AO comes around.
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Post by Tom on Sept 12, 2016 12:02:34 GMT 1
rubcale you say that the women's no 1 ranking will change hands quite often. But Kerber is about 1700 points ahead so I don't see her losing no 1 before the end of the year, Serena simply doesn't play often enough. Was thinking about Konta this morning. She may have a chance of top 10 before the end of the year but I think she'll finish 2016 top 20. She may say all the right things but I think she knows the significance of matches. She had a pained expression against Sevastova which suggested she knew it was a great opportunity. She also struggled I think with the shadows on Ashe, which were annoying just a viewer! I know it was the same for both players but her serve is massive for her. This year has shown that things have to be just right for her to perform at her best and Sevastova never really allowed her to do that. So in answer to your question I have changed my stance on her a bit as I don't think she went as far as she should have done at the US open, although strangely I wasn't that confident about the Sevastova match. Overall though, given how serious things seemed in R2 should probably just go back to what I said pre tournament and take a R4 exit.
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Post by Tom on Sept 15, 2016 21:28:52 GMT 1
Leon Smith found it such a tough call between Kyle Edmund and Dan Evans that he's picked both of them in the four man team, with Dom Inglot the fall guy. That settles any doubt as to who plays the doubles then...
It's the Murrays grandfather's funeral tomorrow, with Jamie attending, so who knows how well they'll play.
Kyle plays Pella tomorrow which looks a winnable match.
Any thoughts anyone?
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Post by Tom on Sept 15, 2016 22:05:17 GMT 1
Actually could Dan Evans come in for the doubles if required? Think he went further in the doubles at the US Open than Inglot did...
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Post by rubcale on Sept 16, 2016 19:07:57 GMT 1
Leon Smith found it such a tough call between Kyle Edmund and Dan Evans that he's picked both of them in the four man team, with Dom Inglot the fall guy. That settles any doubt as to who plays the doubles then... It's the Murrays grandfather's funeral tomorrow, with Jamie attending, so who knows how well they'll play. Kyle plays Pella tomorrow which looks a winnable match. Any thoughts anyone? I don't know the Murray family dynamic but tennis is only a game and personally I would be attending my grandfather's funeral. Murray was beaten by a mental meltdown at USO and imo a large contributor to that was his physical condition. I think it's a bad idea for him to play in the doubles. I don't know the capabilities of the Argentinian pair but I would have put out Jamie and Inglot who understand each other's game. LS has been with the players for the last couple of days so should have some idea of their form. Once the decision was made then unfortunately either Evans or Edmund would have been left out. At least eother would have a days rest betwenn the singles matches. Murray's just been beaten by Del Potro so it very much looks like an Edmund win against Pella is now a necessity. Defeat not unexpected - in honesty he got lucky at the end of the 2nd set when someone in the crowd called a ball out incorrectly and the umpire didn't play a let.
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Post by rubcale on Sept 17, 2016 18:00:50 GMT 1
Tough doubles match looking a bit hairy in the 3rd set but Murrays came through well in the end.
Provided Andy can win his reverse singles it has to be Dan Evans in the final rubber. Obviously will be the underdog but the crowd may inspire him.
Extremely disappointed by Kyle Edmund yesterday - the occasion seemed to get to him - unfortunately the wrong choice but that's hindsight talking.
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Post by Tom on Sept 17, 2016 18:52:54 GMT 1
Tough doubles match looking a bit hairy in the 3rd set but Murrays came through well in the end. Provided Andy can win his reverse singles it has to be Dan Evans in the final rubber. Obviously will be the underdog but the crowd may inspire him. Extremely disappointed by Kyle Edmund yesterday - the occasion seemed to get to him - unfortunately the wrong choice but that's hindsight talking. Not seen any of it so far, was 2 sets all in Murray-Del Potro when I saw the score and decided i wasn't feeling up to the stress of a deciding set! Was regularly on score watch though and kinda lost my enthusiasm after Andy lost, would have watched Kyle had it got interesting though. Very disappointing first day, shocked that both Andy and Del Potro played the doubles today, Del Potro wasn't even named in the original selection! Must win match so not sure how satisfied I am.
I agree about Dan Evans, he's got the experience of winning a 5th rubber, and after Kyle's disappointing match yesterday he's got to be the pick. If the fifth match was played I was hoping Dan would get picked anyway as I wanted both him and Kyle to play in the tie, think Leon Smith also said there was little between them atm.
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Post by rubcale on Sept 19, 2016 10:36:50 GMT 1
If I was to say my thoughts on this debacle I would be banned from Haven for life.
Two words will suffice - disgusted and pathetic.
AndyM doesn't need this grief - he's more than done his duty for GB. If I was him I would give up the Davis Cuo in future.
It will be interesting to see how he fares physically in the last few tournaments of the year.
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Post by Tom on Oct 12, 2016 20:31:29 GMT 1
Read an interesting interview with Marcus Willis today. Will be making his return later this month as he's received a wild card into the ATP event in Vienna. Really has come out of the blue, he said he wasn't planning to come back until January so anything before that is a bonus.
He's also getting married on November 1st and will become a parent in March!
Will try to remember to post about Konta later in the week...
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Post by Tom on Nov 20, 2016 21:42:41 GMT 1
Just a quick bump as Murray ends the year by winning 5 titles in a row to finish as world #1.
Discuss.
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Post by Robbie on Nov 20, 2016 22:02:07 GMT 1
Quite a brilliant win. Good to see Andy win once again. It's been a good day, Newcastle and Andy both winning!
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Post by Shireblogger on Nov 21, 2016 6:53:30 GMT 1
Brilliant achievement. He has got to world #1 as a result of hard work, sheer bloodymindedness, and genuine skill. Although Nadal and Federer have faded, Djokovic is still a force, so no one can claim that he became the world's best by default.
2016 will probably be Andy's best year - winning Wimbledon, the Olympics and the World Tour Final, and getting to #1. But 2012 or 2013 will be the years everyone remembers, because of the emotion of the home Olympics on the back of reaching the Wimbledon Final for the first time, or that incredible first Wimbledon title.
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