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Post by Earl Purple on Nov 10, 2015 12:09:29 GMT 1
Although there are some good songs that have been done by former X-Factor contestants, I do not believe we need to have the show in order for this music or these singers to have careers.
The old pre-X-Factor method of having some "manufactured" pop artists with songs written for them by others and going through "management" teams would work fine.
There have always been these types of artists and always will be.
They could also appear on TV on shows that play current music, along with artists who write their own material, like they used to be.
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Post by smokeyb on Nov 10, 2015 16:57:38 GMT 1
It's a bit like the line from "Life of Brian" "What have the Romans done for us",............... "What has the x-factor done for the music business"......................
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Post by Earl Purple on Nov 10, 2015 17:33:35 GMT 1
Everyone likes to blame X Factor and Simon Cowell for the downturn in the "pop" industry. It's the fact that a TV program that plays "pop" music is still a strong media form and that's just about the only one that there is that anyone watches, whereas in the past they used to watch Top of the Pops.
Having said all that, the majority of what is in the charts is not X-factor related but the chart moves too slow and there is virtually never any rock in it.
There's obviously an interest still in "rock" as Glastonbury sells out in minutes, not that that is really a "rock" festival anymore.
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Post by smokeyb on Nov 10, 2015 18:15:31 GMT 1
The x-factor gives the illusion of a quick fix to fame,in the past people put in the hard work before they became popular and learnt to play an instrument or learnt how to write their own music. The X factor, pop idol and the voice have slowed that down, if not almost flatlined new talent.
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Post by borneoman on Nov 10, 2015 18:21:12 GMT 1
don't think it's true, there's always been manufactures pop, from Kylie and Jason to Westlife, you cannot blame XF for that.
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Post by Earl Purple on Nov 10, 2015 18:54:02 GMT 1
There was manufactured pop in my "retro" era, in fact most of it was. Singers rarely wrote their own songs, a few like Roy Orbison and Del Shannon did and the Crickets as a group, but that was the exception.
The difference, as I mentioned earlier, was that the TV air time was there to play pop music that had been "selected" for release, and would include some "manufactured" pop but would also include non-manufactured pop, whereas the X-Factor is there only for manufacturing artists via a glorified karaoke contest.
The X Factor may once have been "entertaining Saturday night TV" and it was popular as such. Obviously it's losing its popularity as nobody cares for the performances anymore, nor who wins or goes out. The Sunday show may bring in more interest simply for the guest star appearances more than the sing-off or whatever.
Fleur may be about to have a hit and Ben Haenow also has a charting single (which has entered my chart too) but these songs could have been hits the old way without having to have the X-Factor to know who these singers are.
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Post by Mic1812 on Oct 7, 2017 21:08:33 GMT 1
The future of X Factor is in doubt....That was 2015. Its now 2017 and its still going.
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Post by smokeyb on Oct 7, 2017 21:20:30 GMT 1
The future of X Factor is in doubt....That was 2015. Its now 2017 and its still going. But less and less viewers are watching
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Post by raliverpool on Oct 7, 2017 21:21:28 GMT 1
The future of X Factor is in doubt....That was 2015. Its now 2017 and its still going. Anybody who likes this excrement fix excuse for a so called talent show which has being getting its all time lowest ratings (averaging less than the first ITV series of The Voice UK; and getting beaten by Casualty & Celebrity Pointless on Saturday night ratings, let alone SCD beating it by virtually 2-1 needs help, as it is still going, but no more alive than Big Brother.
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Post by Mic1812 on Oct 7, 2017 21:21:58 GMT 1
The future of X Factor is in doubt....That was 2015. Its now 2017 and its still going. But less and less viewers are watching I know . Thats what is great about it. I hope it disappears after this year for good. ..... hopefully
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Post by TheThorne on Oct 8, 2017 9:21:54 GMT 1
Thing is what will they replace it with, Id rather have 3 hours of music based TV even if it is covers and pop star guests than bad game shows or ITV dramas shudder.
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Post by Mart!n on Oct 8, 2017 10:41:14 GMT 1
But less and less viewers are watching I know . Thats what is great about it. I hope it disappears after this year for good. ..... hopefully The show is contracted for another 2 years so its not going anywhere fast. Plus the show is a platform for live acts to promote their music in the last quarter, it generates publicity for music acts, so I can't see it disappearing, or they can replace it with another reality music show.
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Post by raliverpool on Oct 8, 2017 11:59:52 GMT 1
Last night's ratings:
SCD 9.82m Casualty 4.67m Celebrity Pointless 4.37m X-Factor 4.21m (4.79m with +1)
This morning I watched on BBC iPlayer the first part of Nile Rodgers: How To Make It In The Music Business. In it the music legend explained why he has never accepted any offers to be a judge/mentor on any 2000s music TV talent contests "In my life these TV talent shows are the worst thing to happen to the music industry, because they are all about finding and creating someone who is like something that has been done before. When the development of music is all about finding and creating something that has not been done before".
(Funnily enough the narrator of said series (who pre fame turned down being head hunted to be the lead singer in S Club 7) is performing on SCD's result show tonight).
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Post by Jordan on Oct 8, 2017 15:13:16 GMT 1
I watched a few minutes of it last night and it was bloody terrible - worse than it's ever been. The singing was dire, the song choices even more predictable than usual, and the generic and empty comments made by the judges were painful to listen to.
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Post by Earl Purple on Oct 8, 2017 15:27:38 GMT 1
This morning I watched on BBC iPlayer the first part of Nile Rodgers: How To Make It In The Music Business. In it the music legend explained why he has never accepted any offers to be a judge/mentor on any 2000s music TV talent contests "In my life these TV talent shows are the worst thing to happen to the music industry, because they are all about finding and creating someone who is like something that has been done before. When the development of music is all about finding and creating something that has not been done before". Interesting, it was either Rodgers or Edwards, can't remember which, who actually embraced the fact that the Sugarhill Gang had "sampled" their song to rap over and thought it was forward-going in music and was happy to promote it. Of course I'm sure they took their royalties, but were not over-protective about the use of their song. Much of popular music has often been about something that has been done before but wasn't so popular, or about mixing two different such styles of music together. It's often about taking an old idea and putting a new twist on it.
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Post by raliverpool on Oct 8, 2017 16:06:17 GMT 1
This morning I watched on BBC iPlayer the first part of Nile Rodgers: How To Make It In The Music Business. In it the music legend explained why he has never accepted any offers to be a judge/mentor on any 2000s music TV talent contests "In my life these TV talent shows are the worst thing to happen to the music industry, because they are all about finding and creating someone who is like something that has been done before. When the development of music is all about finding and creating something that has not been done before". Interesting, it was either Rodgers or Edwards, can't remember which, who actually embraced the fact that the Sugarhill Gang had "sampled" their song to rap over and thought it was forward-going in music and was happy to promote it. Of course I'm sure they took their royalties, but were not over-protective about the use of their song. Much of popular music has often been about something that has been done before but wasn't so popular, or about mixing two different such styles of music together. It's often about taking an old idea and putting a new twist on it. It was Nile Rodgers. Rap or hip hop music was the brand new thing for black music, after the Trump-esque disco sucks movement killed Disco in terms of USA radio airplay & therefore success for said artists from that movement. If you'd watch the documentary, you'd know one of Nile's mantra's (whilst name checking it from David Bowie) is about being able to diversify by taking something that already exist whether a chord sequence, or a rhythm, or something visuals (hence stylistically Chic image was deliberately aimed at being a black version of Roxy Music) and changing it so it becomes something different and new so stands out from the crowd.
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Post by Mic1812 on Oct 8, 2017 16:20:24 GMT 1
I know . Thats what is great about it. I hope it disappears after this year for good. ..... hopefully The show is contracted for another 2 years so its not going anywhere fast. Plus the show is a platform for live acts to promote their music in the last quarter, it generates publicity for music acts, so I can't see it disappearing, or they can replace it with another reality music show. Oh god...i would actually they rather replace it with something else. The format is too old. Mind you The Voice didnt really strike me either once the initial audition was done and the chair revolved. Im not really sure how they can come up with anything new in all honesty.
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Post by raliverpool on Nov 26, 2017 20:39:44 GMT 1
Last Night X-Factor got its lowest ever rating as its average live rating dipped below 4 million viewers for the very first time ever.
X-Factor 3.93m (4.27m inc +1)
In comparison to other Saturday night programmes:
Strictly Come Dancing 10.03m I'm a Celebrity, Get Me Out of Here! 7.12m (7.59m inc +1) Michael McIntyre's Big Show 6.31m Pointless Celebrities 4.48m Casualty 4.20m
So half a million more people saw Michelle McManus & Sam Bailey as contestants on Pointless Celebrities than watched the current crop on Simon Cowell's show!
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Post by Serge Freeman on Nov 26, 2017 22:20:20 GMT 1
Still they announced auditions for the next series.
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Post by raliverpool on Dec 10, 2017 21:24:41 GMT 1
An away with Max Clifford dying aged 74 today after a fatal heart attack in prison ....
I wonder how much longer the most powerful man in UK Television can continue to get away with things (& Brookstein his enemies) before the media turn on him:
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