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Post by Earl Purple on Jul 17, 2016 21:51:41 GMT 1
These are the games schedule for Wednesday 20th July 1966. All games at 19:30
[1] England vs France [2] West Germany vs Spain [3] Hungary vs Bulgaria [4] Soviet Union vs Chile
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Post by o on Jul 17, 2016 22:15:00 GMT 1
Some of those crowds are really poor, anyone know how much it cost to go and see these games?
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Post by paulgilb on Jul 17, 2016 22:48:49 GMT 1
I wonder if we will be seeing Mr Bakhramov (who is not Russian) again in the tournament? If so, will he cause any more controversy?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 18, 2016 9:49:10 GMT 1
Is it possible to find any English language sports newspapers or magazines from that period for free ?
I have a full free archive with pdf of Soviet weekly newspaper "Football" (1960-1991), which have many good articles about World Cup 1966.
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Post by frag on Jul 18, 2016 21:30:30 GMT 1
Some of those crowds are really poor, anyone know how much it cost to go and see these games? A standing ticket to the final cost 10 shillings (£8.73 in today's money). (sources: the Guardian and thisismoney's calculator)
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Post by smokeyb on Jul 18, 2016 21:50:22 GMT 1
Any chance you can see any of the games on tv?
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Post by smokeyb on Jul 18, 2016 21:55:16 GMT 1
Where were the other teams from the British Isles? None of the other British teams made it through qualification. Northern Ireland narrowly finished second in their group, behind Switzerland, but ahead of the Netherlands. Wales finished second in their group, behind the Soviet Union. Scotland went in to their last qualifying games, a home and away double-header with Italy, knowing that a win and a draw would be enough to see them head south of the border for the finals. They won the first match in Glasgow, but a 3-0 defeat in Naples in December 1965 meant Italy, not Scotland went to the World Cup. The Scots would have to wait until 1967 to “win the world cup”. Across the Irish sea the Republic of Ireland had a curious qualification programme. They were drawn in a group with Spain and, puzzlingly, Syria. Syria withdrew, so the group simply consisted of home and away matches between the Republic and the Spanish. Ireland won 1-0 at home. Spain thumped the Irish 4-1 in Seville. But goal difference wasn’t used to separate teams in this qualification tournament, and so the two teams met again in a play-off. Held in Paris in November 1965, Spain edged past the Irish 1-0.
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Post by Earl Purple on Jul 19, 2016 10:23:59 GMT 1
Mexico vs Uruguay Preview: Uruguay need a draw to ensure they progress to the next round. Mexico must win and ideally by a big scoreline. They must at least move above Uruguay on goals-average. I think 2-0 would suffice for this purpose. Mexico 0 | - | 0 Uruguay
| [1] Ladislao MAZURKIEWICZ (GK) [2] Horacio TROCHE (C) [3] Jorge MANICERA [5] Nestor GONCALVES [6] Omar CAETANO [7] Julio CORTES [9] Jose SASIA [10] Pedro ROCHA [11] Domingo PEREZ [15] Luis UBINA [18] Milton VIERA |
| [1] Antonio CARBAJAL (GK) [2] Arturo CHAIREZ [3] Gustavo PENA (C) [6] Isidoro DIAZ [8] Aaron PADILLA [9] Ernesto CISNEROS [14] Gabriel NUNEZ [15] Guillermo HERNANDEZ [17] Magdaleno MERCADO [19] Salvador REYES [20] Enrique BORJA
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Wembley Stadium, LondonAttendance: 61,112Referee: Bertil Lööw (Sweden)
With this result, Uruguay are safely through to the next round, but we have to say goodbye to Mexico. Don't worry though, they'll definitely be back in the 1970 world cup as they qualify as hosts. And hosts usually do quite well. Whether the host of this world cup will do quite well depends on tomorrow's game. France need to win by 2 goals, England need to avoid a 2-goal defeat.
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Post by Earl Purple on Jul 19, 2016 10:26:19 GMT 1
Argentina vs Switzerland Switzerland can no longer qualify no matter what. They will hope to avoid going home with zero points though. Argentina just need a draw to ensure progression and might get through even if they lose. Argentina 2
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| Luis ARTIME 52' Ermindo ONEGA 81 |
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| [1] Antonio ROMA (GK) [4] Roberto PERFUMO [6] Oscar CALICS [7] Silvio MARZOLINI [8] Roberto FERRERO [10] Antonio RATTIN (C) [15] Jorge SOLARI [16] Alberto GONZALEZ [19] Luis ARTIME [20] Ermindo ONEGA [21] Oscar MAS1 |
| [12] Leo EICHMANN (GK) [3] Kurt AMBRUSTER [4] Heinz BAENI [5] Rene BRODMANN (C) [7] Hans-Ruedi FUHRER [8] Vittore GOTTARDI [10] Robert HOSP [11] Koebi KUHN [13] Fritz KUENZLI [16] Rene-Pierre QUENTIN [19] Xavier STIERLI |
Hillsborough Stadium, SheffieldAttendance: 32,127Referee: Joaquim Campos(Portugal)Switzerland were already out but matched Argentina in the first half, but in the second half it was too much for them and Argentina ran out easy winners. This puts them for certain into the quarter final, and means that in tomorrow's game, Spain must win to qualify, West Germany need a draw.
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Post by Earl Purple on Jul 19, 2016 10:30:13 GMT 1
Brazil vs Portugal Wow, a game in colour. Portugal may progress even if they lose, in particular if by a scoreline that keeps them above Brazil on goals-average. e.g. even 2-0 to Brazil would be fine for Portugal, they would have 6-3 compared to Brazil 5-3. So it looks like Brazil need to win 3-0 or rely on Bulgaria not to lose by too many. Hungary's current situation is 4-4. Brazil 1
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| ANTONIO SIMOES 15' EUSEBIO 27', 85'
| [12] MANGA (GK) [3] FIDELIS [5] BRITO [7] ORLANDO (C) [9] RILDO [10] PELÉ (Edson Arantes do Nascimento) [13] DENILSON [14] LIMA [17] JAIRZINHO [19] SILVA [21] PARANA
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| [3] JOSE PEREIRA (GK) [4] VICENTE [9] HILARIO [10] MARIO COLUNA (C) [11] ANTONIO SIMOES [12] JOSE AUGUSTO [13] EUSEBIO (da Silva Ferreira) [16] JAIME GRACA [17] MORAIS [18] JOSE TORRES [20] ALEXANDRE BAPTISTA
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Goodison Park, LiverpoolAttendance: 58,479Referee: George McCabe(England)
Pele returned but was fouled during the game by Morais, went off injured then came back bandaged and played out the game limping. As it is though Brazil were already 2-0 down at the time, and were also needing to win by a big margin (see my comments above). They were defensively poor for the goals they gave away.
As it stands, they are not actually out of the competition yet. They have scored 4 conceded 6. Hungary have scored 4 conceded 4 and Bulgaria scored 0 conceded 5. So if Bulgaria win 3-0 they will have 3-5, Hungary 4-7 and Brazil 4-6 so Brazil will have the best goals-average of the three.
I'm not sure what happens if Bulgaria win 4-1 (putting them exactly level with Brazil) or 2-0 (putting Hungary exactly level with them). It may be drawing of lots. In any case, we see Bulgaria need to win by better than 4-1 tomorrow and Hungary need to do better than 0-2.
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Post by Earl Purple on Jul 19, 2016 10:37:54 GMT 1
Italy vs North Korea Italy will probably qualify if they draw, but a win would definitely see them through. If North Korea win, they will move above Italy and will qualify unless Chile can beat the Soviet Union in which case it would go down to goals average. Italy 0
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| PAK Doo Ik 42'
| [1] Enrico ALBERTOSI (GK) [3] Paolo BARISON [4] Giacomo BULGARELLI (C) [6] Giacinto FACCHETTI [7] Romano FOGLI [8] Aristide GUARNERI [9] Francesco JANICH [11] Spartaco LANDINI [14] Sandro MAZZOLA [17] Marino PERANI [19] Gianni RIVERA
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| [1] LEE Chang Myung (GK) [3] SHIN Yung Kyoo [5] LIM Zoong Sun [6] IM Seung Hwi [7] PAK Doo Ik [8] PAK Seung Zin (C) [11] HAN Bong Zin [13] OH Yoon Kyung [14] HA Yung Won [15] YANG Seung Kook [17] KIM Bong Hwan
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Ayresome Park, MiddlesbroughAttendance: 17,829Referee: Pierre Schwinte (France)
The shock result of the tournament so far, but there we are. And it's not like North Korea looked like a good team in their previous games. In any case, a goal late in the first half put them ahead ant the Italians just could not score. North Korea had chances to double their lead too in the second half.
All this means Italy are definitely out. North Korea will go through if Chile are unable to beat the Soviet Union.
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Post by Earl Purple on Jul 19, 2016 10:40:09 GMT 1
It may be a bit unfair that Hungary will go into their last game knowing what they need. For example, if Brazil do win 2-0 then Hungary will know they need to win by 3 goals, but if Brazil lose then even a draw will suffice for Hungary in their last game.
Perhaps in future they should arrange for final two games of the same group to be played together.
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Post by Earl Purple on Jul 21, 2016 0:52:21 GMT 1
England vs France France need to win by 2 goals, England need to avoid losing by 2 goals. England 2 | - | 0 France | Roger HUNT 38', 75' |
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| [1] Gordon BANKS (GK) [2] George COHEN [3] Ray WILSON [4] Nobby STILES [5] Jack CHARLTON [6] Bobby MOORE (C) [8] Jimmy GREAVES [9] Bobby CHARLTON [16] Martin PETERS [20] Ian CALLAGHAN [21] Roger HUNT
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| [1] Marcel AUBOUR (GK) [2] Marcel ARTELESA (C) [4] Joseph BONNEL [5] Bernard BOSQUIER [6] Robert BUDZYNSKI [12] Jean DJORKAEFF [13] Philippe GONDET [14] Gerard HAUSSER [15] Yves HERBERT [16] Robert HERBIN [20] Jacques SIMON
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The hosts move comfortably into the next round, and top the group. France go back home across the English Channel disappointed, bottom of the group with just one point. The memories of 1958 and Just Fontaine are now in the past.
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Post by Earl Purple on Jul 21, 2016 0:53:20 GMT 1
Spain vs West Germany Spain need to win, West Germany need to draw. Spain 1 | - | 2 West Germany | Jose Maria FUSTE 22' | | Lothar EMMERICH 38' Uwe SEELER 84' | [1] Jose IRIBAR (GK) [2] Manuel SANCHIS [5] Ignacio ZOCO (C) [6] Jesus GLARIA [8] AMANCIO [9] MARCELINO [15] Severino REIJA [17] GALLEGO [19] Jose Maria FUSTE [21] ADELARDO [22] Carlos LAPETRA |
| [1] Hans TILKOWSKI (GK) [2] Horst-Dieter HOETTGES [3] Karl-Heinz SCHNELLINGER [4] Franz BECKENBAUER [5] Willi SCHULZ [6] Wolfgang WEBER [9] Uwe SEELER (C) [10] Sigi HELD [11] Lothar EMMERICH [12] Wolfgang OVERATH [19] Werner KRAEMER |
Villa Park, Birmingham Attendance: 42,187 Referee: Armando Marques (Brazil) Spain needed to win and scored first, so for a 16 minute period they were heading through and the Germans were heading out. That changed when Emmerich equalised and so the Germans were heading through. When Seeler got a winner 6 minutes from the end, that also meant the Germans went through as group winners, so they will face Uruguay in the quarter-final rather than England, who will play Argentina.
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Post by Earl Purple on Jul 21, 2016 0:56:49 GMT 1
Hungary vs Bulgaria Bulgaria need to win 4-0 or 5-2 or better, Hungary need to avoid losing by a 3-goal margin, and 0-2 might not be good enough. If the game finishes 4-1 or 2-0 to Bulgaria then they or Hungary will be level with Brazil. Brazil will go through if Bulgaria win exactly 3-0. Hungary 3 | - | 1 Bulgaria | Ivan DAVIDOV (og) 43' Kalman MESZOLY 45' Ferenc BENE 54' |
| Georgi ASPARUKHOV 15' | [21] Jozsef GELEI (GK) [2] Beno KAPOSZTA [3] Sandor MATRAI [5] Kalman MESZOLY [6] Ferenc SIPOS (C) [7] Ferenc BENE [9] Florian ALBERT [10] Janos FARKAS [11] Gyula RAKOSI [13] Imre MATHESZ [17] Gusztav SZEPESI |
| [21] Simeon SIMEONOV (GK) [3] Ivan VUTSOV [4] Boris GAGANELOV (C) [5] Dimitar PENEV [6] Dobromir JECHEV [9] Georgi ASPARUKHOV [11] Ivan KOLEV [13] Dimitar YAKIMOV [14] Nikola KOTKOV [15] Dimitar LARGOV [20] Ivan DAVIDOV
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Old Trafford, Manchester Attendance: 24,129 Referee: Roberto Goicoechea (Argentina) Although Bulgaria led early on, the 1-0 was not enough. Once Davidov put through his own goal, it turned around quickly. Portugal win the group with Hungary second. Every game was won by a 2 goal margin except Portugal vs Bulgaria which was by 3 goals. Brazil leave early and Bulgaria lost all their games.
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Post by Earl Purple on Jul 21, 2016 0:58:00 GMT 1
Soviet Union vs ChileSoviet Union are already through. Chile must win to qualify, and if they don't then North Korea will qualify with the Soviet Union. Soviet Union 2 | - | 1 Chile | Valeriy PORKUYAN 28', 85' |
| Ruben MARCOS 32' | [21] Anzor KAVAZASHVILI (GK) [2] Viktor SEREBRYANIKOV [3] Leonid OSTROVSKI [5] Valentin AFONIN [6] Albert SHESTERNYOV (C) [9] Viktor GETMANOV [12] Valeri VORONIN [13] Alexey KORNEEV [16] Slava METREVELI [17] Valeriy PORKUYAN [20] Eduard MARKAROV | | [13] Juan OLIVARES (GK) [1] Pedro ARAYA [4] Humberto CRUZ [7] Elias FIGUEROA [11] Honorino LANDA [12] Ruben MARCOS [14] Ignacio PRIETO [17] Leonel SANCHEZ (C) [20] Alberto VALENTINI [21] Hugo VILLANUEVA [22] Guillermo YAVAR |
Roker Park, Sunderland Attendance: 16,027 Referee: John Adair (Northern Ireland) Soviet Union were already through, but Chile had a chance of going through with them if they could win this game. Valeriy Porkuyan became a hero in North Korea when he ensured they instead would go through to the quarter final with a goal in each half, but for a long period Chile were level. As it is they finish in bottom place. The Soviet Union win the group and will play Hungary in the next round whilst North Korea will take on Portugal.
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Post by Shireblogger on Jul 21, 2016 13:25:40 GMT 1
I think many of us could name the 11 England players who took to the Wembley pitch on 30th July 1966.
But I thought it would be interesting to remind myself of the other 11 squad members...
Jimmy Greaves (Tottenham). The most famous of the non-playing squad members. Greaves had squad number 8, and was one of only two players with a squad number from 1-11 who did not play in the final. Greaves featured in all 3 group games, but an injury against France meant he was replaced for the Quarter-Final by Geoff Hurst, and he failed to regain his place in the team. At the start of the 1966 World Cup, Greaves was the second most capped player in the squad, with 51, only trailing Bobby Charlton's 68. He only made 3 more England appearances after the World Cup, and ended his international career with an incredible 44 goals from 57 appearances. Today he stands in 4th place in the all-time England scoring list, behind Wayne Rooney, Bobby Charlton and Gary Lineker. He retired from professional football in 1971 and became a tv personality and alcoholic.
John Connelly (Man Utd). Squad number 11, Connelly played as a winger in the opening group game against Uruguay. It was to be the last of his 20 England appearances. Man Utd sold him to second division Blackburn Rovers after the World Cup, and he played on with them and Bury until 1973. He ran a fish & chip shop after he retired, and was the third squad member to die, in 2012 (after Bobby Moore and Alan Ball).
Ian Callaghan (Liverpool). Had only played once for England before his appearance against France in the group games. Despite going on to play for Liverpool more times than any other player, and picking up 2 European Cup winners medals, 5 League Championships, 2 FA Cups and 2 UEFA Cups along the way, Callaghan only played 4 times in total for England. Famously, this midfielder only picked up 1 yellow card in his entire career - in the League Cup Final.
Terry Paine (Southampton). The fourth (and final) squad member to play in a group game at the 1966 World Cup, but not in the QFs, SFs or Final, during which the England team was unchanged. Paine stands in 3rd place in the all-time list of league appearances in British football on 824, behind only Peter Shilton (1005) and Tony Ford (938). 713 of Paine's matches were for Southampton, for whom he scored 160 league goals, mostly from the wing. In 1963 Paine became the first man wearing the #7 shirt to score a hatrick for England at Wembley. His game against Mexico at the 1966 World Cup was the last of his 20 for England. Today he works as a football presenter on South African television.
Norman Hunter (Leeds). The third youngest member of the squad (behind Alan Ball and Martin Peters), he made over 500 appearances at centre back for Leeds. In 1974 he became the first winner of the PFA Player of the Year Award. He retired in 1982 while player-manager of Barnsley.
Ron Flowers (Wolves). With 49 caps, he was the 3rd highest capped player at the start of the 1966 World Cup, but he didn't play then, or ever again for England. He was the second oldest in the squad (behind Jack Charlton). Flowers was England's top scorer at the 1962 World Cup, with 2 penalties, and he made 40 consecutive appearances for England from 1958 to 1963 - only Billy Wright is ahead of him on this all-time list. He still runs a sports shop in Wolverhampton, where he spent almost all of his playing career.
Jimmy Armfield (Blackpool). A one-club man, who made over 600 appearances at right back for Blackpool. He will be familiar to many who weren't even born in 1966, as a BBC Radio pundit. Like Flowers, it turned out that he had made his final England appearance in a 1966 warm-up match. He replaced Brian Clough as Leeds manager in 1974, and steered them to the European Cup Final, where they lost to Bayern Munich. The Leeds team that night included Norman Hunter, and the Bayern team was captained by Franz Beckenbauer.
George Eastham (Arsenal). Another player whose time on the pitch in an England shirt had already concluded by the time the World Cup started. Eastham was a midfielder, who played for Newcastle, Arsenal and Stoke, and 19 times as an international. His only winners medal was for the 1972 League Cup. Ultimately emigrated to South Africa, where, to his great credit, he spent much of his time coaching black players despite Apartheid.
Gerry Byrne (Liverpool). Possibly the least well-known player in the squad, Byrne only ever played twice for England, both friendlies. Byrne spent his entire career with Liverpool, most notably in the 1965 FA Cup Final, during which he played 117 minutes with a broken collarbone, and still managed to set-up Liverpool's first goal. He also won 2 Championships, and was an ever-present during the victorious 1965/66 season. He died in November 2015 having suffered from Alezheimer's for years.
Ron Springett (Sheffield Wednesday). The reserve goalkeeper in 1966 had been first choice at the 1962 World Cup, and had saved a penalty on his England debut. He is Wednesday's all-time most capped England player, and only Nigel Worthington has played more games for his nation whilst being on the Owl's books. In 1967 Springett was transferred to QPR. His replacement as Wednesday 'keeper was signed from QPR, and was Ron's younger brother, Peter Springett. Ron died in September 2015.
Peter Bonetti (Chelsea). The least experienced player in the 1966 squad was third choice goalkeeper Peter Bonetti. He had been Chelsea first choice for 6 seasons by the time England came calling. In total he played 7 international matches, conceding 4 goals. Unfortunately, 3 of those were against West Germany during the infamous 1970 World Cup defeat, when Bonetti was a last minute replacement for Gordon Banks, who had food poisoning. He ended his career with exactly 600 games for Chelsea.
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Post by raliverpool on Jul 21, 2016 19:57:39 GMT 1
Apologies for being distracted although the Brazil v Portugal, and Italy v North Korea results have grabbed my attention back ....
I've been too busy watching the Gemini X space launch:
And discussing British Prime Minister Harold Wilson austerity measures such as the introduction of the Prices and Incomes Act meaning the most stringent economic measures since World War II, with an additional 10% increase in income taxes, new surcharges on gasoline, and on beer, wine, and alcohol; higher sales taxes on most consumer goods; the raising of the minimum down payment on installment purchases from 25% to 40%; a decrease of the amount of the foreign travel spending allowance from $700 to $140 per person; a cutback of government spending; and a freeze on wage, price and dividend increases.
I tell you that is going to end in tears, as surely we would have been better off just letting the £ devalue.
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Post by smokeyb on Jul 21, 2016 21:16:01 GMT 1
Italy vs North Korea Italy will probably qualify if they draw, but a win would definitely see them through. If North Korea win, they will move above Italy and will qualify unless Chile can beat the Soviet Union in which case it would go down to goals average. Italy 0
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| [1] LEE Chang Myung (GK) [3] SHIN Yung Kyoo [5] LIM Zoong Sun [6] IM Seung Hwi [7] PAK Doo Ik [8] PAK Seung Zin (C) [11] HAN Bong Zin [13] OH Yoon Kyung [14] HA Yung Won [15] YANG Seung Kook [17] KIM Bong Hwan
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Ayresome Park, MiddlesbroughAttendance: 17,829Referee: Pierre Schwinte (France)
The shock result of the tournament so far, but there we are. And it's not like North Korea looked like a good team in their previous games. In any case, a goal late in the first half put them ahead ant the Italians just could not score. North Korea had chances to double their lead too in the second half.
All this means Italy are definitely out. North Korea will go through if Chile are unable to beat the Soviet Union.
Wow, is this the biggest world cup shock since England lost to the USA in 1950?
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Post by Earl Purple on Jul 21, 2016 22:22:06 GMT 1
I'd have to look up all the games in between but it must be.
This is now two consecutive world cups in which Italy has gone out in the group stage, and remember that pre-war they were twice winners.
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