Will Drake's long run at No.1 cause a shift in musical taste

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In 1989 SAW were No.1 or No.2 for most of the first half of the year then suddenly after Black Box's 6 weeks they could barely get a big hit.

After Wet Wet Wet's run we seemed to develop Brit Pop and suddenly Oasis and Blur were all the talk before the Wets 1993 was a year of reggae revival and old acts with new songs.

So will we see a shift away from Drake/Rihanna style music now to a new sound, will people now become fed up of this style and look for the next thing?

[o]

No.

[TheThorne]

Eventually but think it will be 2-3 years

[Earl Purple]

There are very influential songs that often start a change of trend in music, and they are usually not the biggest hits of the time.

For example, possibly one of the Sex Pistols or Ramones hits led towards the era of punk and new wave but they were not the big hits of the day.

Often in the past a big-selling album has helped shift record company attitudes towards more music of that genre. I believe that it was actually the Darkness that started the mini-wave of rock in the mid-00s, something that wasn't as big as britpop and something we haven't seen in the 10s yet.

The big hits by Bryan Adams, Whitney Houston and Wet Wet Wet proved nothing except that being in a film soundtrack can help a single remain at number one for a long period.

Stock Aitken Waterman continued to have big hits into 1990 albeit no more number ones after Sonia, but there was a limit as to how much they could churn out the same thing before people got bored.

[borneoman]

i'd say the old tracks that stayed so long at #1 were one-offs and not part of any trend i.e. Bryan Adams, Wet Wet Wet
One Dance is part of this tropical dance music trend, not sure how this will last, maybe 6 more months but cannot see it lasting longer...

[LT]

nah don't think so, the drake sound is heard in a lot of stuff right now. its getting to that over saturated point but cant see it disappearing for awhile yet

[borneoman]

actually the same replacing it at the top (Cold Water) is the same genre

[Whitneyfan]

I doubt it, but we are in dire need of a new musical revolution.

[Earl Purple]

Just bring rock anthems back into the charts.

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Jul 25, 2016 14:05:09 GMT 1 Earl Purple said:

There are very influential songs that often start a change of trend in music, and they are usually not the biggest hits of the time.

For example, possibly one of the Sex Pistols or Ramones hits led towards the era of punk and new wave but they were not the big hits of the day.

Often in the past a big-selling album has helped shift record company attitudes towards more music of that genre. I believe that it was actually the Darkness that started the mini-wave of rock in the mid-00s, something that wasn't as big as britpop and something we haven't seen in the 10s yet.

The big hits by Bryan Adams, Whitney Houston and Wet Wet Wet proved nothing except that being in a film soundtrack can help a single remain at number one for a long period.

Stock Aitken Waterman continued to have big hits into 1990 albeit no more number ones after Sonia, but there was a limit as to how much they could churn out the same thing before people got bored.

I think Tears On My Pillow was the last No.1 for Stock Aitken Waterman (Feb 1990) in terms of production anyway.
Sonia's hit would have been their last one composed by them lyrically.

[TheThorne]

Jul 25, 2016 14:05:09 GMT 1 Earl Purple said:

There are very influential songs that often start a change of trend in music, and they are usually not the biggest hits of the time.

For example, possibly one of the Sex Pistols or Ramones hits led towards the era of punk and new wave but they were not the big hits of the day.

Often in the past a big-selling album has helped shift record company attitudes towards more music of that genre. I believe that it was actually the Darkness that started the mini-wave of rock in the mid-00s, something that wasn't as big as britpop and something we haven't seen in the 10s yet.

The big hits by Bryan Adams, Whitney Houston and Wet Wet Wet proved nothing except that being in a film soundtrack can help a single remain at number one for a long period.

Stock Aitken Waterman continued to have big hits into 1990 albeit no more number ones after Sonia, but there was a limit as to how much they could churn out the same thing before people got bored.

Most definitely not The Darkness they were not In any scene at all but managed to appeal cross genre to both the Rock and numetal fans and the indie rock revivalists The Strokes and White Stripes. Remember Electric Six they were effectively the same a weird jokey rock that was somehow brilliant as well. The Darkness even though I love them were a strange anomaly. Next we had ArticMonkeys, Libertines , Killers, Arcade Fire all more influential in the indie rock scene in 00s.

The Strokes were the band most responsible for shaking indie out of its acoustic depressing phase in 1999-2001

[Earl Purple]

I'm referring to what kicked it off, and in particular for British bands again, and also more in the rock-pop genre.

Yes it's true there were the Libertines, and my own favourites Belle & Sebastian had a few hits, but after the Darkness arrived there just seemed a load of new bands appearing: Franz Ferdinand, Snow Patrol and Keane within a couple of months in 2004, then Kaiser Chiefs, Arctic Monkeys (who didn't arrive until 2005) and Fratellis, the latter of those making a pop-rock anthem that everyone knows (as did the Kaiser Chiefs).

[TheThorne]

Jul 25, 2016 23:33:33 GMT 1 Earl Purple said:

I'm referring to what kicked it off, and in particular for British bands again, and also more in the rock-pop genre.

Yes it's true there were the Libertines, and my own favourites Belle & Sebastian had a few hits, but after the Darkness arrived there just seemed a load of new bands appearing: Franz Ferdinand, Snow Patrol and Keane within a couple of months in 2004, then Kaiser Chiefs, Arctic Monkeys (who didn't arrive until 2005) and Fratellis, the latter of those making a pop-rock anthem that everyone knows (as did the Kaiser Chiefs).

Ok yeah British Bands as US were leading for the early part of the decade but Snow Patrol were before The Darkness. Darkness aren't rock pop though they were glam hair metal revivalists , they had more in common with Def Leppard , Queen and Bon Jovi than the bands you mention.

[Earl Purple]

Bands were around before but were not big yet. And yes, I know that the Darkness were different to the others but they were still a kind of "rock" and didn't sound anything like Coldplay. And yes I know we also had Muse who were moderately successful.

I think looking back to the period between Britpop and the mid-00s mini-revival, it still wasn't as bad as it felt at the time. Not as totally dead as it virtually is now.

Back then, physical sales were important, album sales more important than singles sales and in order to achieve any of this you needed to be signed to a major record label, or at least a big independent one.

I actually thought initially that downloads would "even the field" somewhat as you no longer needed a large distribution to get a number one. And it didn't start too badly. Downloads started counting in 2005 and until the end of 2008 there was a reasonable amount of rock in the charts. The Kaiser Chiefs even had a #1.

In any case, a great pop song is one drunk people will get up and sing at karaoke, and everyone in the audience may sing along. Can you foresee that happening with "One Dance"?

[TheThorne]

Totally agree it wasn't as bad a period as we are in now, I liked bands like Coldplay, Starsailor , Travis and Embrace and we also had rockier British bands like Feeder and Stereophonics

Lol at least any one can sing One Dance you just have to stand their and make mumbling talking sounds with a hint of trying to sing

[SheriffFatman]

Jul 26, 2016 10:28:22 GMT 1 Earl Purple said:

In any case, a great pop song is one drunk people will get up and sing at karaoke, and everyone in the audience may sing along. Can you foresee that happening with "One Dance"?

But that doesn't mean One Dance isn't great, it means that means that either a) it isn't a pop song or b) the definition of pop songs has changed beyond the boundaries that you set.

This goes back to my belief that people who are interested in the charts, including just about everyone on Haven, begrudgingly accepted the presence of urban music in the pop landscape a while back but are now horrified to find that it's actually taking over. We are simply struggling to come to terms with the changing times, and One Dance represents the future.

[TheThorne]

True it did threaten to take over in that Akon, tinchy Stryker, neyo, usher, taio cruz and Sean Paul era in the 00s but you had other genres Keeping up a decent share of the chart now it's is 95% of the chart. I think if we had streaming then it would be s similar situation to now.

[Earl Purple]

Well yeah you wouldn't be able to sing "Wonderful Land" by the Shadows either as that's an instrumental (there were some vocal versions of some Shadows hits, in particular I remember a vocal Dance On by Kathy Kirby, but I don't think anyone ever put lyrics to Wonderful Land).

Of course one could go up drunk with an air-guitar pretending to be playing it.

I guess in the case of One Dance you'd go up and do a drunken-dance to it.

I'm always happy for there to be genres I don't like in the chart, and that there was a lot of easy listening music still in the chart in the mid-60s, some of which of course sold very well. (Ken Dodd, Engelbert Humperdinck, some Tom Jones..). So whilst we had the Beatles and Motown and Bob Dylan the charts still had music for everyone.

I guess now, for those who don't want to search too deep, there is the album chart, which still has a fairly decent presence of rock.

Excluding compilations of old music, I see in the chart Coldplay (if you count them), Biffy Clyro, Blink 182, Good Charlotte, Red Hot Chili Peppers, Radiohead, Catfish & The Bottlemen and even Jeff Beck all inside the top 30 this week. And 1975 ( if you count them). Most of those are old artists who have been around a long time though. (There is also Twenty One Pilots. Not sure what genre they are).

[Mic1812]

I would lke to see a bit more metal in our top 40

[Deleted]

Nope - there is no incentive to find a new musical direction. With the decline of the album as an art form, it is all now about writing a song that is a hit rather than experimenting, which makes it much less likely that another form of music will ever become widely popular. Guitar bands will only come back into fashion if they start writing catchy hits for the masses - not very likely I think.