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Post by greendemon on Apr 5, 2023 8:38:05 GMT 1
Yeah, the second point was more aimed as one up for general discussion.
Personally I'd be OK with acts who had only one or two albums when they took part in HF Express appearing in a fully-fledged HF several albums later, but I can see issues especially if they won or reached the final of HF Express.
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Post by Smurfie on Apr 5, 2023 8:50:38 GMT 1
Yeah, the second point was more aimed as one up for general discussion. Personally I'd be OK with acts who had only one or two albums when they took part in HF Express appearing in a fully-fledged HF several albums later, but I can see issues especially if they won or reached the final of HF Express. I can the reason why, but I would personally say no. You could also say previous acts such as Sam Fender could also be given a second crack as they are still currently releasing more material - however for a act such as the Bee Gees, they are not, so couldn't.
Unless there is a round in the future of second chances, to keep things simpler I would say once they are used, they are off the table for Haven Factor.
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Post by Whitneyfan on Apr 5, 2023 9:14:22 GMT 1
Yeah, the second point was more aimed as one up for general discussion. Personally I'd be OK with acts who had only one or two albums when they took part in HF Express appearing in a fully-fledged HF several albums later, but I can see issues especially if they won or reached the final of HF Express. I can the reason why, but I would personally say no. You could also say previous acts such as Sam Fender could also be given a second crack as they are still currently releasing more material - however for a act such as the Bee Gees, they are not, so couldn't.
Unless there is a round in the future of second chances, to keep things simpler I would say once they are used, they are off the table for Haven Factor.
I've sort of got another Haven Factor spin off envisioned, where you can enter any former act - but no former songs that have been used!
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Post by greendemon on Apr 5, 2023 9:38:41 GMT 1
Whitneyfan - ooh, was this similar to the 'zombie edition' that was being discussed on here a while ago? It does sound like fun - and the acts which have previously done well in the regular format would automatically exclude themselves due to not having much material left. Smurfie - fair enough, and I have to say I'd expect your view to be the majority. In which case I will definitely avoid picking up-and-coming acts for this when they clearly will have enough material for a HF in the future and are only just starting out.
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Post by TheThorne on Apr 5, 2023 9:58:23 GMT 1
My act is pretty much nailed in, going to look for a few backups but I think it will be fine. And no rule controversy it comfortably qualifies
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Post by o on Apr 5, 2023 10:13:15 GMT 1
10 acts failed to make the cut based on the album rule, then found an artist that qualifies, started sorting/choosing their songs, then looked up another act that makes the cut, and have now put myself in a pickle as to which to go with. I dont think either will do that well, and not sure they'll be picked by other posters. Guess it will be Eenie meanie minie mo at some point...
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Post by Jordan on Apr 5, 2023 10:33:02 GMT 1
I've talked myself in and out of my preferred act many times over already. Hasn't even been 24 hours yet. I know of another act who qualifies, and is enjoyed by at least one Havener who would throw them lots of points... unfortunately said Havener never participates in any of these contests
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Post by -Big Dan- on Apr 5, 2023 11:02:00 GMT 1
Very exciting! I already have an act lined up for this.
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Post by Whitneyfan on Apr 5, 2023 11:19:22 GMT 1
I've gone from having a nailed on act, to having 3 possibilities now!
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Post by Earl Purple on Apr 5, 2023 12:55:14 GMT 1
"because of the album rule": so they're quite big acts.
Blossoms: no top 75 singles but 3 number one albums Wolf Alice: no top 75 singles but a number one and two number 2 albums.
Of course either of those could be entered in a regular Haven Factor and may do quite well.
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Post by TheThorne on Apr 5, 2023 13:05:00 GMT 1
"because of the album rule": so they're quite big acts. Blossoms: no top 75 singles but 3 number one albums Wolf Alice: no top 75 singles but a number one and two number 2 albums. Of course either of those could be entered in a regular Haven Factor and may do quite well. yeh several acts we like here a lot have similar stats, such as Nothing But Thieves or War On Drugs. Hoping NBT finally get a chart topper in July. Top 3 is a pretty easy achievement for bands with a fanbase or play small arenas. I have now found another act that qualifies....
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Post by o on Apr 5, 2023 13:39:01 GMT 1
It's quite easy to get a Top 3 album with sales of 10k, I dont consider that to mean you're a big act. Yes Thorne I wanted to do Nothing But Thieves, but will just have to have a go in the main one sometime Reytons and Lathums are not big acts, but excluded after their #1 albums. Of Monsters and Men was an act I really wanted to give a go as known for one hit, but got so much more to offer, sadly debut album went to #3, one place lower and they could be entered. I have three artists lined up, all will be known, because it's that balance of them having a few known "singles" (that didn't go top 100), but not a Top 3 album, and a lot of indie acts are pushing to get a top 3 album for one week.
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Post by Earl Purple on Apr 5, 2023 14:11:26 GMT 1
I'm not sure how this will go, but it's a trial, and the rules have been set, and if there are others whoever runs them can do it with different rules.
Any act who is in this contest will not be allowed in Haven Factor 12 which I will be hosting, even if they go out first round.
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Post by Panda on Apr 5, 2023 14:56:25 GMT 1
I've got one act in mind for this that comfortably qualifies but I'll have to go through some of my past playlists as there may be something I've missed that also qualifies and could be a much better choice.
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Post by Mic1812 on Apr 5, 2023 15:21:21 GMT 1
Think ive got one
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Post by smokeyb on Apr 5, 2023 20:36:31 GMT 1
I thought a of a few acts, known but not mega (if you know what I mean), they all haven't had a top 3 album so ok on that one, but they have had more than 3 singles in the top 75, although only 1 reached top 20, and the other 5 reached between 50 - 75, seems harsh to exclude them, when another act could have 3 huge number 1's and they would qualify.
Anyway I found one that ticks all the boxes.
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Post by Shireblogger on Apr 6, 2023 8:35:48 GMT 1
yeh several acts we like here a lot have similar stats, such as Nothing But Thieves or War On Drugs. Hoping NBT finally get a chart topper in July. Top 3 is a pretty easy achievement for bands with a fanbase or play small arenas. I have now found another act that qualifies.... It's quite easy to get a Top 3 album with sales of 10k, I dont consider that to mean you're a big act. Yes Thorne I wanted to do Nothing But Thieves, but will just have to have a go in the main one sometime Reytons and Lathums are not big acts, but excluded after their #1 albums. Of Monsters and Men was an act I really wanted to give a go as known for one hit, but got so much more to offer, sadly debut album went to #3, one place lower and they could be entered. I have three artists lined up, all will be known, because it's that balance of them having a few known "singles" (that didn't go top 100), but not a Top 3 album, and a lot of indie acts are pushing to get a top 3 album for one week. I thought I'd address this point. As we all know, the nature of the charts has changed dramatically since the incorporation of streaming in 2014, and its subsequent explosive growth. In the past, you could measure an act's impact and popularity by looking at their singles or their albums placings, as, generally speaking, they would be quite similar. That's no longer the case. Rock acts, with a few notable exceptions, do not attract the relentless streams that pop, dance and rap acts do, and therefore rarely appear in the Top 75 tracks chart. Their impact can now only be measured by looking at the albums chart (or live ticket sales, which are much harder to quantify). Sure, "only" 10,000 fans are needed to achieve a Top 3 album and sell out a "small" arena. But, pre-2014, only 10,000 fans were needed to guarantee a Top 40 hit single. The Top 3 albums rule was designed to ensure that Haven Factor Express didn't simply become a competition amongst the leading current rock bands. As we've seen with the main Haven Factor competition, it isn't exclusively the preserve of big acts. Pat Benatar - no Top 10 singles, no Top 5 albums - recently came third. Kirsty MacColl - two Top 10 singles, no Top 5 albums - has come second. The Cranberries - no Top 10 singles - have just finished third. Haven Factor Express has been designed for artists that you love, that some others may know quite well, that more will have heard of and maybe know a song or two, and that a few may be totally unfamiliar with. It is aimed at acts that might not have enough strong material to survive the early stage double elimination round in Haven Factor, when pitched against a collection of acts with quite a few Top 20 hits to pick from. It has been designed to exclude huge acts, and also middle-rankers. In the current climate, my view is that a rock act capable of achieving a Top 3 album is, at the minimum, a middle-ranker, capable of reaching the final six in a normal Haven Factor competition, if their mentor plays a cunning game. Of course, time will tell. We'll see how much genre diversity the first edition of Haven Factor Express brings. We'll see if a certain type of act dominates. And, if it is a successful concept, and people want a Haven Factor Express 2, then the rules can be tweaked accordingly.
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Post by Shireblogger on Apr 6, 2023 8:36:31 GMT 1
I'm delighted so many people have already expressed their support, and are beginning to find acts who they might settle upon.
My shortlist for any future editions includes 50s rock'n'rollers, whose names will certainly be familiar, but who never lit up the charts. It includes 80s synth-pop also-rans, who I think will have a few fans here. It includes one disco star, whose UK chart career doesn't extend far beyond a number one single, but whose albums and other singles I love. It includes a couple of country & western superstars (in the USA), who are doomed to crash and burn here. It has a handful of reggae options, who could all do better in HFE than Bob Marley and Shaggy did in HF. It has a number of contemporary artists who might still make it big, but are probably in danger of being dumped by their impatient record labels. And it would have several more genres/eras covered, if I had actually put any serious effort into thinking about it.
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Post by TheThorne on Apr 6, 2023 9:13:07 GMT 1
I don’t have an issue with your ruling, totally agree with what you say. The amount of times I have to defend against people who say rock is dead because it isn’t in the charts when in 2003 for example a few thousand singles would get you in the charts which is nothing. A rock band making the top 100 now is an achievement.
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Post by Whitneyfan on Apr 6, 2023 9:48:53 GMT 1
I'm totally fine with the rulings. The boundaries have to be set somewhere, and however it is done it is not going to suit everybody's first choice of act.
The more I've thought about acts that might qualify, the more really good ones I've come up with - so I really think this concept could run and run. And of course, whoever wins has the opportunity to set their own rules for the next contest of this type.
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