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Post by quandary on Feb 22, 2004 0:12:31 GMT 1
Quite hard to pick when there are so many lovely records by women  Anyway, my top 10 would be: 1. PJ Harvey - Is This Desire ? 2. Kate Bush - Hounds Of Love 3. Björk - Homogenic 4. Joni Mitchell - Blue 5. PJ Harvey - Rid Of Me 6. Patti Smith - Easter 7. Tori Amos - Boys For Pele 8. Patti Smith - Horses 9. PJ Harvey - To Bring You My Loe 10. Kate Bush - The Dreaming Polly my favourite artist ? YES, for always  |
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Post by Laurence on Feb 22, 2004 0:16:13 GMT 1
 Only one Tori album, Quandary! 1. Tori Amos - From the Choirgirl Hotel 2. Aimee Mann - Lost in Space 3. PJ Harvey - To Bring You My Love 4. Aimee Mann - Bachelor No.2 5. Tori Amos - Boys for Pele 6. Tori Amos - Little Earthquakes 7. Bjork - Vespertine 8. Kate Bush - The Red Shoes 9. PJ Harvey - Stories from the city.... 10. Kate Bush - Hounds of Love 11. Fiona Apple - When the Pawn.... So Patti Smith really is that good then! It's not all hype, then? Did 11 because I originally forgot an Aimee one!
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Post by chocolat on Feb 22, 2004 16:41:25 GMT 1
my cd collection is full of females so this is actually my real top 10 albums ever i think i'll leave away bands that have a female lead vocalist though (so no lunascape or hooverphonic  ) 1.björk : vespertine 2.kate bush : the dreaming 3.tori amos : from the choirgirl hotel 4.tori amos : boys for pele 5.björk : homogenic 6.kate bush : hounds of love 7.björk : post 8.tori amos : to venus and back 9.madonna : ray of light 10.kate bush : never for ever |
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Post by quandary on Feb 22, 2004 18:29:33 GMT 1
If I had to make a top 100 of my albums, I'm sure at least the half of it would be female (fronted band) albums. So Patti Smith really is that good then! It's not all hype, then? Hmmmm.. it depends if you gonna like her, really. You either think she's fantastic or hate her. In general she was a sorta one-hit wonder. 'Horses' created the whole punk movement and is still claimed as a 'classic' by the critics and 'Because The Night' was her only commercial hit single. Like Björk is indirectly a daughter of Kate and Tori a daughter of Joni & Kate, Polly could be seen as one of Patti. If you want to get into her, 'Gloria', openingnumber of 'Horses' is a must-listen. It sums pretty much what's so good about her and it's the perfect introduction to her music. She was truly a genius in the 70's. Now she lost 'it' though. Oh and the Tori albums just fail to be totally perfect to make it to the list..  |
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Post by Laurence on Feb 22, 2004 22:19:14 GMT 1
If I had to make a top 100 of my albums, I'm sure at least the half of it would be female (fronted band) albums. .  I used to feel the same but Tori, PJ, Bjork et al have so raised the boundaries I can't take any of the other females that seriously... I mean Alanis, Sarah M are so second rate and Jewel is about 26th rate!  |
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Post by spicebrain on Feb 24, 2004 23:44:22 GMT 1
b****cks to all you 'alternative' weirdos!  01 Whitney Houston - "My Love Is Your Love" (1998) 02 Whitney Houston - "I'm Your Baby Tonight" (1990) 03 Billie Holiday - "Lady In Satin" (1958) 04 Patti Smith - "Easter" (1978) 05 Bjork - "Homogenic" (1997) 06 Lauryn Hill - "The Miseducation Of Lauryn Hill" (1998) 07 Patti Smith - "Horses" (1975) 08 Aretha Franklin - "I Never Loved A Man The Way I Love You" (1967) 09 Whitney Houston - "Whitney Houston" (1985) 10 Mary J. Blige - "Mary" (1999) Just as a point of interest to all you alt-diva lovers, Kate Bush's "Hounds Of Love" would be #11. |
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Post by spicebrain on Feb 24, 2004 23:51:33 GMT 1
Sorry, but I've GOT to disagree with that. "Easter" and "Horses" are her 2 defining works, I have to admit, but "Gung Ho" and "Peace And Noise" are pretty damn close. Her more recent output is definitely more introspective, personal and emotionally haunting than anything she's ever done before. Well, on the 2 aforementioned albums anyway - "Gung Ho", while an excellent album in its own right, isn't *quite* on that same level although it's the most accessible thing she's probably ever recorded. Then again, I find it difficult to be objective with dear Patti. I even love "Dream Of Life".  |
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Post by quandary on Feb 27, 2004 20:41:41 GMT 1
Oh dear. I'm glad I could at least tell the dislikes for my favourite artists Don't know about 'Peace & Noise' but 'Gung Ho' was really under average in my ears. First 3 songs and Libbie's Song were surprisingly good and 'Glitter In Their Eyes' must be one of her catchiest songs but the rest was just..forgettable and endless. I can see why you say it's more personal and emotional, but 'Gone Again' which fits that category had far better & stronger songs and flowed well as a whole thing. I'm curious if she can match that with her next one. Oh and since you seem to be a fan of black women. Is there something like an essential Nina Simone record ? (or a compilation) I was quite fascinated with her when I listened to her on the plane. Not really familiar with titles..except for 'Feelin' Good' which blowed my mind on first listen. |
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Post by quandary on Feb 27, 2004 20:52:56 GMT 1
I used to feel the same but Tori, PJ, Bjork et al have so raised the boundaries I can't take any of the other females that seriously... I mean Alanis, Sarah M are so second rate and Jewel is about 26th rate! Nah, she's 97th rate But seriously, first try Patti Smith or Joni Mitchell. The 2 genius and unique women that I would actually put next to Bjork,Kate,PJ & Tori. And ignoring Alanis, Sarah M and stuff, there are some undiscovered women crawling under the fab 3. I mean, I think we'll have to wait at least 5 more years 'till there comes someone just as weird and creative as Bjork or PJ, but there really are some brilliant female talents. Take Aimee, unnoticed in many eyes, not as original as Bjork, but she still has her charm. Besides, Bjork, Tori etc. are really exceptionals. I see what you mean, but just don't underestimate other female singers. |
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Post by Laurence on Feb 27, 2004 22:50:34 GMT 1
I kind of regret that statement - was a bit lazy thing to say.. Will check out Joni and Patti - this weekend, I'm going to scour my music libraries.. I'm sure there are other fantastic females but they probably don't have any chart success. Schizo~C once did a list of his top 100 female albums of all time on dot which would have been a great reference. Sadly, that list has together gone with this wonderful poster |
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Post by quandary on Feb 28, 2004 11:38:35 GMT 1
Oh yes, I remember watching it all over. Apart from Tori,PJ,Kate,Bjork,Joni,Fiona he had a lot of Natalie Merchant, Nina Simone, Suzanne Vega etc. in it. I realize I had quite a lot in common with his taste, but I wasn't 100% behind it though..Too bad he left the net.
Oh and for Patti, you know you should focus on 'Horses' first. For Joni, I would say 'Blue'. Her most emotional album with the famous folky-sound she's known for. I know Joni-fans, incl. myself, who started with 'Blue' and they ALL fell in love withit. Indeed a classic as the critics and fans say.
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Post by spicebrain on Feb 29, 2004 19:08:38 GMT 1
I THINK you'll find that not once did I refer to "Gung Ho" as a personal/emotional album.  I defined it as her most "accessible" to date, implying, if anything, that it's NOT so personal. Yes, it's inconsistent, but the raw power of the Smith machine is still there, and when she gets it right (which she does often on the alb IMO) she gets it RIGHT. Of course, "Gone Again" is by far the superior record - but "Gung Ho" is certainly not without merits of its own. And with regards to "Peace And Noise" - just plain awesome IMO. So dark, bitter and moody...mmm. Patti, I love thee... Now WHERE did you get an impression like that from? To be fair to me, my interest in people like Aretha Franklin was born out of my love of Whitney Houston, so its HER fault. Nina's been on my artists-to-check-out list for an absolute age. Like you, I adore "Feelin' Good" and I love other stuff I've heard ("I Put A Spell On You" and her take on "Here Comes The Sun"). Unfortunately, I don't know where to begin myself so I can't really help. I haven't yet found a compilation that includes the 3 songs that I already know and love, and I know she had a string of acclaimed albums but I have no idea what they're called or anything... |
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Post by quandary on Feb 29, 2004 21:48:58 GMT 1
And with regards to "Peace And Noise" - just plain awesome IMO. So dark, bitter and moody...mmm. Patti, I love thee... Judging from 'Dead City' and '1959', i know it has 2 good songs Nah, I'm quite sure I'm gonna like 'Peace & Noise' more than 'Gung Ho'. She still has the energy, yes, but IMO she really lost 'something' I liked about her. 'Gung Ho' has its moments, but overall, it's weak to me. Btw, she's releasing a new album under Columbia Records on 27th of April called 'Trampin'. Tracklist is: "jubilee" "mother rose" "stride of the mind" "cartwheels" "gandhi" "trespasses" "my blakean year" "cash" "peaceable kingdom" "radio baghdad" "trampin'" Still in a political mood, isn't she ? .. Well, wasn't Melanie B your favourite Spice Girl ? Besides what a funny music taste you have. Patti AND Whitney ? I do have 2 Whitney albums from my R&B days but... I guess I'm gonna search for the 2 other songs you mentioned there and see what they're like. There are too many compilations of her out there.. |
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Post by suedey on Mar 1, 2004 15:11:29 GMT 1
1. Madonna: Like a Prayer
2. Tori Amos: Boys for Pele
3. Joni Mitchell: Blue
4. Aimee Mann: Lost in Space
5. PJ Harvey: Rid of Me
6. Kate Bush: Hounds of Love
7. Bjork: Homogenic
8. Fiona Apple: When the Pawn ...
9. Tori Amos: From the Choirgirl Hotel
10. Madonna: Ray of Light
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Post by Mike W on Mar 2, 2004 18:57:49 GMT 1
01. Like A Prayer, Madonna
02. The Hounds Of Love, Kate Bush
03. The Velvet Rope, Janet Jackson
04. From The Choirgirl Hotel, Tori Amos
05. Fly, Sarah Brightman
06. The Dreaming, Kate Bush
07. Ray Of Light, Madonna
08. Physical, Olivia Newton-John
09. Live Your Life Be Free, Belinda Carlisle
10. American Life, Madonna
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Post by spicebrain on Mar 2, 2004 23:59:25 GMT 1
On the back of "Gung Ho", I can perhaps understand why you would think that. Nevertheless, I do consider "Gung Ho" an excellent record (although it IS my least fave Patti album along with "Dream Of Life"). That 'something' was DEFINITELY there with "Gone Again" and "Peace And Noise", however. Besides, I like to believe that when an artist has that 'something' they don't lose it. Naivety is what they call it, I think. So I heard! You can't really blame her for getting political on us, given the current world situation and all - it's to be expected of someone like her. Have you checked out pattismith.net? It's not fully launched for a while yet, but atm she's doing eulogies on people she admires and Ralph Nader is up there. Tells you a LOT about Ms. Smith, that does. Anyway, I'm REALLY looking forward to this album. It's the first album she'll have brought out since I got 'into' her. I'm ECLECTIC. My fave acts: Whitney Houston, Prince, Radiohead, David Bowie, Patti Smith, R.E.M, The Velvet Underground, Aretha Franklin, The Smiths, Joy Division, Beck, Massive Attack, Bjork, Blur, Mary J. Blige, Jeff Buckley, Billie Holiday, Marvin Gaye, Stevie Wonder, Michael Jackson, Annie Lennox, Spice Girls, Lauryn Hill, India.Arie etc. Get the idea? Oh, certainly. Part of the reason why I haven't purchased a Nina compilation yet is because there's just so damn many - I don't know which one to go for. |
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Post by quandary on Mar 3, 2004 18:46:04 GMT 1
On the back of "Gung Ho", I can perhaps understand why you would think that. Nevertheless, I do consider "Gung Ho" an excellent record (although it IS my least fave Patti album along with "Dream Of Life"). That 'something' was DEFINITELY there with "Gone Again" and "Peace And Noise", however. Besides, I like to believe that when an artist has that 'something' they don't lose it. Naivety is what they call it, I think. lol !! Well, dream on then *scraps 'Dream Of Life' from his wishlist* Same here. I became a fan last year. Hopefully she's gonna tour, so I might get to see her at least once in my lifetime. (I might not be tempted though). I guess politics is a topic you see quite often back in artists's lyrics. It's alright but with her case, I just got a feeling that her sorta obessesion for politics is taking something from her music. I mean, she's a musician for sake, not a politican. Argh, her next album will tell if she still has it. I'll visit the site when it's fully launched. If you minus Annie Lennox, Beck, Prince and all the black singers as Marvin Gaye, Aretha Franklin etc from the list, then I can say we have something in common |
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Post by Laurence on Mar 3, 2004 18:55:17 GMT 1
Did anyone catch that Q awards special where she had a massive rant against how pathetic this whole thing was and more hilariously she told Bono to 'f*** off'!
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Post by quandary on Mar 6, 2004 20:52:34 GMT 1
Did anyone catch that Q awards special where she had a massive rant against how pathetic this whole thing was and more hilariously she told Bono to 'f*** off'! Are you talkin' bout Patti ? Did she say 'f*ck off' to Bono ? That would be lovely.. |
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Post by Laurence on Mar 6, 2004 23:05:59 GMT 1
;D Indeed she did! What happened was that Patti was presented with a Special Acheivement award and when she was being introduced there were video links to both Bono and Michael Stipe who were saying how wonderful she was! Thing is Bono came up with some gushing crap about how she was his mother, his lover, his angel etc... She came to the stage in a right strop saying she wasn't some past it artist with sh*tty sales who needed a special award to keep her happy. She thanked Michael Stipe and then said 'f*** you' to Bono saying that she wasn't his lover, mother etc.... The Q magazine did ask the reasonable question why she bothered to show up if she was going to be so negative. Funny though! |
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Only one Tori album, Quandary!
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I defined it as her most "accessible" to date, implying, if anything, that it's NOT so personal. Yes, it's inconsistent, but the raw power of the Smith machine is still there, and when she gets it right (which she does often on the alb IMO) she gets it RIGHT. Of course, "Gone Again" is by far the superior record - but "Gung Ho" is certainly not without merits of its own. 
