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Post by vastar iner on Oct 21, 2009 17:57:38 GMT 1
And with Wigan and Fulham - and Portsmouth - it took owners who were willing to deficit spend to get them up to the top. Sunderland are a "natural" top flight club, they didn't get relegated until 1958.
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Post by Shireblogger on Oct 21, 2009 17:57:38 GMT 1
It didn't take one bad manager to take Newcastle down last season - it took a crap owner. We managed to have 4 managers last season, a sign that all isn't well at a club. One resigned, one didn't want the job, one had heart problems and one didn't have a clue what he was doing... Newcastle was perhaps a poor example. Obviously, Ashley is the man to blame. However, you would probably have been relegated if any one of the four had been in charge for the whole season, hence my badly explained point about one man being able to get a club relegated, and the yo-yo syndrom thus never arising.
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Post by Shireblogger on Oct 21, 2009 18:06:05 GMT 1
And with Wigan and Fulham - and Portsmouth - it took owners who were willing to deficit spend to get them up to the top. Sunderland are a "natural" top flight club, they didn't get relegated until 1958. Sunderland are a "natural" top flight club which hasn't managed a run of 5 consecutive seasons in the top division since 1970. Almost all clubs deficit spend. Only a few do so and retain their status in the top division for more than a few seasons. To do this, they need talented managers. Fulham and Wigan have deficit spent and stayed up for longer than anyone expected. I could list practically every club relegated from the Premier division in the last 10 years as a deficit spender that hasn't stayed up, because someone with authority at the club (the manager / chief executive / owner) hasn't had enough talent. And that's my point. There will never be a yo-yoing situation, because football clubs' fortunes are too dependent on a few individuals, who can make the difference between modest success and catastrophic failure.
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Post by Panda on Oct 21, 2009 18:30:02 GMT 1
I knew it wouldn't take long for the national media to start making some idiotically ignorant comments regarding Southgate's sacking, expressing their disbelief given the current league position. Congratulations, Jonathan Stevenson at BBC Sport.
Here's a stat. Boro have won 7 games in the league this season. 6 of those have been against teams currently in the bottom half of the Championship. Boro's record against teams currently in the top half is played 5, won 1, lost 4. Against the bottom half it's played 8, won 6, drawn 2.
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Post by Tom on Oct 24, 2009 13:18:01 GMT 1
Middlesbrough boss Gareth Southgate has been sacked - despite the Championship club being fourth in the table and bidding for promotion. His dismissal came in the early hours of Wednesday, shortly after a 2-0 home win over Derby. The 39-year-old was appointed in June 2006 but last season Boro were relegated from the Premier League. Chairman Steve Gibson said: "This has been the most difficult decision I've ever had to make in football." Shortly before being fired, Southgate stated: "The margins are fine. We are a point off the top but it would have been very different if we had not won against Derby. "You wonder about the consequences of defeat. You know four home defeats on the bounce would have been difficult for everyone involved with the club to accept." Former Crystal Palace boss Alan Smith, described by Boro as a football consultant, has also left the club. Southgate, who won 57 caps for England, joined Boro as a player from Aston Villa in a £6.5m deal in the summer of 2001. He made more than 200 appearances for the club before he succeeded Steve McClaren as manager. This gobsmacked me. Gibson is hardly known for sacking managers and Boro are actually doing slightly better than i expected. Coming off the back of a win as well it just didn't make sense, although from comments from Gibson that i've seen he actually made the decision 2/3 weeks ago and it seems as though was just waiting to sack Southgate until he had someone else lined up... ^^ Now that one did surprise me. Given all the opportunities to sack Southgate in the past, I assumed he would get the entire season. Only if Boro failed to get promoted next May did I think Gibson would make a change. So for it to happen after a victory which puts them within 1 point of the top is quite a shock. Spot on, i thought the same.
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Post by Panda on Oct 24, 2009 14:05:52 GMT 1
This is the first time Gibson has sacked a manager mid-season.
I've previously questioned the timing of the sacking but not the sacking itself.
Yes, Boro are only 1 point off the top but if you look at the results, the league position seems to be hiding a clear problem.
These are the 7 teams Boro have beaten this season and their league positions: Swansea (12th) Scunthorpe (14th) Sheff Wed (15th) Doncaster (18th) Derby (19th) Reading (21st) Ipswich (24th)
These are the 4 teams that have beaten Boro: West Brom (1st) Leicester (8th) Bristol City (9th) Watford (10th) plus Forest (7th) in the Carling Cup
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Post by Tom on Oct 25, 2009 14:18:55 GMT 1
As its relevant to the thread its worth mentioning Brendan Rodgers here. I was happy with the appointment in the summer, though he definitely wasn't my first choice. I was going to give him the season, at the very least until Christmas and only sacking him if we were in the bottom 3. But as we're now in the bottom 3 and with us struggling as we are i could see him going before that, even for someone like Madejski who's only sacked 3 managers in the near 20 years he's been at the club. The fans now seem to be voicing their disapproval at matches and that is perhaps the significant point. Even my goodwill and support is going. I would say tomorrow's game at home to Leicester is massive but i don't expect us to win and even a draw will keep us in the bottom 3. The Ipswich home game in the next couple of weeks which i'm hoping to go to is far more important imo. Relegation would be disastrous. We made a profit of 6.5m in each of our 2 seasons in the Premiership but last season made a loss of about 6.5m. Shocking stuff really, even after relegation i was expecting us to make a profit with the players we'd sold. Just shows the finances at the club are much worse than i thought..
Without going into too much detail there was a show on JM at the end of Aug, "Rich Man, Poor Man", he said that his 18 businesses were losing money and it was clear for all to see how hard it was hitting him. At the time the show was filmed (over the last 2 years by the looks of things, 2007/2008 would have thought) we would have been prob the only one making a profit, he said how glad he was that we were doing well in the Prem at one point... though the chronological order of the show was a right mess and no dates were mentioned, just worked it out from guesswork.
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Post by Shireblogger on Oct 27, 2009 9:55:31 GMT 1
So, Gordon Strachan was finally confirmed as Middlesbrough manager.
He was the best of the 17 managers Southampton have suffered since Lawrie McMenemy's departure in the mid-80s. He's tactically astute, has a reasonable eye for new signings, and a real talent for getting the best out of players. And he's great value for the fans.
His appointment won't guarantee promotion this season, but it will secure 'Boro's medium-term future, and reverse the decline of the past few years.
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Post by Robin on Oct 27, 2009 15:58:34 GMT 1
Notts County have appointed Hans Backe as their new manager on a 3 year deal
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Post by Thor on Oct 27, 2009 19:08:30 GMT 1
The top two are teams that were not good enough for the Premiership last year. And the year before that Blues and Reading were fighting for promotion right to the end despite relegation. We seem to be nearing a point where we will have a 17 club Premiership and three yo-yoers. I thought that about 2 or 3 years ago but it doesn't look like it will happen. If clubs like Hull, Stoke and perhaps Burnley this year can stay up then perhaps there are 30 or so other clubs who could manage it.
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Post by Thor on Oct 27, 2009 19:09:20 GMT 1
And with Wigan and Fulham - and Portsmouth - it took owners who were willing to deficit spend to get them up to the top. Sunderland are a "natural" top flight club, they didn't get relegated until 1958. Sunderland are a "natural" top flight club which hasn't managed a run of 5 consecutive seasons in the top division since 1970. Sunderland would be a natural top flight club if clubs lived within their means.
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Post by Tom on Oct 31, 2009 13:52:54 GMT 1
Nicky Hammond's comments this week suggest Rodgers has the next 2 games to save his job. Not sure what to make of this.
Up until the last international break i was positive that we'd improve as the season went on under Rodgers and finish possibly as high as lower mid-table. He'd made a similar start at Watford last season and they went on to finish mid-table. But i'm now realistic enough to know that until we start winning at home we won't finish higher than the bottom 4.
Whilst it was disappointing to lose the televised home game against Leicester on Monday we deserved something from the game, as every neutral observer who's commented on the game has said. On the evidence of that performance Rodgers deserves longer. Certainly had no complaints, it wasn't bad, and at times we showed what we were capable of. Overall this season on the evidence of what i've seen and read, our performances have been mid-table standard, we just haven't got the results. Apart from the abysmal home record (the worst in the club's history) the other concerning aspect is the 2nd half performances. We've only played well in the 2nd half of maybe 1 or 2, at most 3 games in any competition this season.
But at the end of the day it comes down to something i said at the start of the season, our strikers will determine where we finish. With our best striker Noel Hunt now out until the New Year and not being fully fit up until now by the sounds of it we do look weak in that area, and that includes current or former Welsh, Irish, and Polish internationals! We've also got 2 other players either not considered good enough or ready for the Championship yet on loan in League 1.
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Post by Panda on Nov 1, 2009 20:38:34 GMT 1
Brighton have sacked Russell Slade after 8 months in charge.
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Post by Panda on Dec 9, 2009 13:35:49 GMT 1
QPR have suspended Jim Magilton after an apparent dressing room bust-up following Monday's game against Watford.
The incident led to QPR player Akos Buzsaky being locked out of the dressing room after the match. Some places are reporting that Magilton tried to headbutt Buzsaky during the row and threatened to do the same to Patrick Agyemang when he separated them.
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Post by Paddy on Dec 9, 2009 14:05:14 GMT 1
That is very much not like Magilton.
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Post by Robin on Dec 10, 2009 13:24:54 GMT 1
Paul Sturrock could be on his way at Plymouth
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Post by Panda on Dec 10, 2009 22:20:13 GMT 1
Sturrock has been relieved of his managerial duties and handed a business role at the club.
Paul Mariner has been placed in charge of "all football activities" until further notice.
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Post by Shireblogger on Dec 11, 2009 12:31:15 GMT 1
Sturrock has been relieved of his managerial duties and handed a business role at the club. This has looked inevitable for a while, given Plymouth's rather rudderless form this season. However, thanks to Wiki, I thought I'd have a look at Sturrock's overall record as a manager:- St Johnstone: 5 seasons / 1 promotion Dundee Utd: 2 seasons Plymouth: 3.5 seasons / 2 promotions & a bunch of club records Southampton: 0.3 seasons Sheffield Wed: 2 seasons / 1 promotion Swindon: 1 season / 1 promotion Plymouth: 2 seasons / highest finish for 20 years Overall: 16 seasons / 1 championship, 4 other promotions, 0 relegations, 41% wins, 26% draws, 34% defeats. A pretty good record in my opinion. Unlikely that Paul Mariner will do any better, and unlikely that Plymouth will be able to attract anyone else with such a consistent record over a long period.
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Post by Panda on Dec 11, 2009 22:37:17 GMT 1
Martin Allen has left Cheltenham by mutual consent, despite being formally cleared of racial misconduct.
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Post by frag on Dec 13, 2009 23:17:54 GMT 1
Brian Laws has left Sheffield Wednesday today, also by mutual consent. Not a good week for managers!
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