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Post by suedehead on Dec 30, 2009 13:20:46 GMT 1
Bolton have sacked Gary Megson
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Post by Robin on Dec 30, 2009 18:40:05 GMT 1
I think Megson was a justified sacking, he's had ample time at Bolton, but they're barely been outside the bottom five
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Post by Maximo Mark on Dec 30, 2009 19:30:06 GMT 1
Preston also sacked Alan Irvine yesterday. A less predictable and probably less justified sacking!
Too many managers lose their jobs too soon these days. Billy Davies hasn't quite been at Forest a year, yet he's already the 43rd longest serving manager in the football league!!
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Post by suedehead on Dec 30, 2009 19:32:17 GMT 1
Preston also sacked Alan Irvine yesterday. A less predictable and probably less justified sacking! Too many managers lose their jobs too soon these days. Billy Davies hasn't quite been at Forest a year, yet he's already the 43rd longest serving manager in the football league!! Do you think Billy Davies is at risk of doing what he did at Derby and taking Forest up before they're ready?
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Post by Maximo Mark on Dec 30, 2009 19:49:33 GMT 1
Whilst ideally I would prefer one more season down here, I don't think we'll be anywhere near as bad as them if we do go up. And to be fair after watching the Championship this season we're 3rd because were probably the 3rd best team in it. Cardiff probably have better players but they're far too inconsistant (drawing 4-4 to the bottom team after being 4-0 up at half time!) and that'll be their downfall, just like it was last season.
We also have a decent amount of money too and if we were to go up we would be able to strengthen, hopefully signing Shorey permanantly first! He's definitely a Premiership player, and we have others (Camp, Majewski, Gunter, McKenna, Earnshaw) that I definitely think could cut it in the top league.
It's not as if the Premiership is particularly strong anyway, knowing that at least six of West Ham, Portsmouth, Hull, Bolton, Wigan, Wolves, Burnley, Blackburn and Stoke will still be there as well as whoever goes up I'm confident we'd be able to compete.
I don't want to get carried away but after watching our last four home games (winning them 14-2 on aggregate) I see no reason why we can't go up. I'm really looking forward to our FA Cup game at the weekend, I'm hoping both Billy and Alex McLeish put out strong sides as it'll be a good indicator of where we are. I'm disappointed (but not surprised) it's not on TV. The form team in the Championship vs the form team in the Premiership should be a good game, but it is ITV and a run of the mill Premiership tie between Arsenal and West Ham is obviously more entertaining!
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Post by Shireblogger on Dec 31, 2009 14:32:45 GMT 1
Preston also sacked Alan Irvine yesterday. A less predictable and probably less justified sacking! Too many managers lose their jobs too soon these days. Billy Davies hasn't quite been at Forest a year, yet he's already the 43rd longest serving manager in the football league!! Do you think Billy Davies is at risk of doing what he did at Derby and taking Forest up before they're ready? There's no such thing as being promoted too soon. However, there is being promoted without having a board who are capable of handling it. They either (1) spend ludicrous amounts of money on transfers and salaries they simply cannot afford; or (2) get ideas above their station, and think that they should be comfortably mid-table the following season. I'd always settle for yo-yoing between the top two divisions, rather than regularly nearly getting promoted.
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Post by vastar iner on Dec 31, 2009 16:00:38 GMT 1
Derby's problem was that they were a mediocre team when promoted. Lots of one goal wins, and it doesn't take much to turn any one goal win into a one goal defeat. Thing is, Derby had an astonishing run where all of those marginal games went in their favour. They could play every single game again with the same teams and end up bottom, or mid-table. The Prem really found them out.
Was relegation good for Forest, in the long term? Getting people back in the habit of winning?
And on the Cup tie, are Forest going to play their first team? Not sure whether we are, we're doing a Derby, lots of one-goal wins, so eyes are still at the bottom of the table. Recent results notwithstanding. I couldn't think of a worse FA Cup draw...
And I feel a bit sorry for Megson, he has never cultivated the Press, which never helps, but he's generally done a decent job with limited finance. Perhaps suffering from Big Sam being underestimated.
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Post by Tom on Dec 31, 2009 16:23:06 GMT 1
Preston also sacked Alan Irvine yesterday. A less predictable and probably less justified sacking! Too many managers lose their jobs too soon these days. Billy Davies hasn't quite been at Forest a year, yet he's already the 43rd longest serving manager in the football league!! Agreed. When Coppell left us at the end of last season after 6 years i think he was high up in the Top 10, possibly Top 5 longest serving managers. Apparently Southgate has applied for the Reading job, along with Darren Ferguson (who's also applied for the Sheff W job). I could see us appointing Southgate going by someone's comments on here about him being a yes man, and also his success at bringing the youngsters through at Boro. Undecided whether it would be a good move for us, but then thats probably a good thing given that the two managers i was most pleased about us appointing (Rodgers and Tommy Burns) were probably the least successful in 15 years of being a fan! Supposedly we're meant to be making an announcement after the Liverpool game this weekend, but we'll see if that actually happens! The Bolton and Preston jobs coming up recently is going to make it harder for us to get either, Ferguson at least is definitely in the running for the Preston job.
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Post by Tom on Dec 31, 2009 16:38:27 GMT 1
We also have a decent amount of money too and if we were to go up we would be able to strengthen, hopefully signing Shorey permanantly first! He's definitely a Premiership player, and we have others (Camp, Majewski, Gunter, McKenna, Earnshaw) that I definitely think could cut it in the top league. Was going to ask you about how Shorey was getting on at Forest. There's actually been talk of a 3m deal in Jan. Really do think that playing in a side that plays attacking passing football allows him to express himself. Thought he looked excellent in the highlights of the Forest-Preston game recently. I do think he was hindered at Villa by the fact that their gameplan is based on counter attacking and using their wingers to cause the damage. That, and the fact that even after leaving us his confidence hadn't seem to have improved. It seemed like a continuation of the previous season in many ways and almost like he didnt believe he was a Premiership player anymore. He did say when he left us that he could return at some point, but we'd successfully replaced him with Chris Armstrong from Sheff Utd and even though he's only just returned from a long term injury it would only have happened if Coppell had been the manager imo, almost regardless of our current league position. Of course he wouldnt be welcome back anyway but he'd still get in my all-time favourite Reading XI. There's no other left-back that comes close.
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Post by Tom on Dec 31, 2009 16:51:17 GMT 1
Do you think Billy Davies is at risk of doing what he did at Derby and taking Forest up before they're ready? There's no such thing as being promoted too soon. However, there is being promoted without having a board who are capable of handling it. They either (1) spend ludicrous amounts of money on transfers and salaries they simply cannot afford; or (2) get ideas above their station, and think that they should be comfortably mid-table the following season. I'd always settle for yo-yoing between the top two divisions, rather than regularly nearly getting promoted. Interesting point of shireblogger, but one where we differ. Obviously i would have loved us to have gone back up last season but the prospect of coming straight back down with not much chance of survival when we werent good enough for that level, being ready is another thing i would say as well (which is what would have happened) didn't really appeal. I've always thought more of the long-term, both in 2003 when we lost to Wolves in the playoffs and easily could have gone up that year had Forster not been injured in the 1st leg, and also last season. Playoffs are no good for us anyway, we never win them! Realistically speaking from the head i'd rather we went up when we were ready. And then of course even ignoring our unwillingness to splash the cash, there was our desire to give the players big salaries in order to keep them which now has left the club in a bit of a mess quite frankly. I've always thought a club needs at least 1 season of competing for promotion before going up anyway, certainly worked for Ipswich in the past, and i doubt we would have finished 4th in the Championship after promotion had we not lost in the playoff final the year before we went up. Though of course its easy to say all that in hindsight! Birmingham seem to be going against that in some style this season though.
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Post by Maximo Mark on Dec 31, 2009 20:00:30 GMT 1
Was relegation good for Forest, in the long term? Getting people back in the habit of winning? And on the Cup tie, are Forest going to play their first team? Not sure whether we are, we're doing a Derby, lots of one-goal wins, so eyes are still at the bottom of the table. Recent results notwithstanding. I couldn't think of a worse FA Cup draw... I think it could definitely be seen as being a good thing. It certainly sorted the club out adn we got rid of all the deadwood. I think it made the chairman realise he does actually have to back managers more too after spending five years in the Championship spending peanuts. I don't think it'll be happening again whilst he's at the club. I'm not really sure what team we'll play. It wouldn't surprise me if he did rest players although I'd like him not to. I can see Smith, Perch, Chambers, McGugan, McGoldrick, McCleary and Garner probably playing.... If we weren't playing West Brom away next Friday I expect he'd make less changes, I'd only like McKenna to be rested really as he's on four bookings and we're going to need him against West Brom. I imagine you won't go unchanged again and some others might get a go... Quedrue, Carsley, Fahey, Phillips etc. Either way, I've got my ticket...
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Post by vastar iner on Dec 31, 2009 21:51:12 GMT 1
Our next game after that is home to Man U. A top-of-the-table clash.
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Post by Shireblogger on Jan 15, 2010 16:30:47 GMT 1
Changes in the first 2 weeks of 2010:-
PRESTON: Alan Irvine OUT / Darren Ferguson IN BOLTON: Gary Megson OUT / Owen Coyle IN BURNLEY: Owen Coyle OUT / Brian Laws IN SHEFF WED: Brian Laws OUT / Alan Irvine IN
If anyone spots a pattern here, please let me know.
Also,
QPR: Paul Hart OUT after 5 matches, 3 of which were against Sheffield United
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Post by Shireblogger on Jan 15, 2010 16:46:40 GMT 1
At the time of writing, exactly 50% of managers in the Premiership and Football League have been in charge for less than one year.
This means Nigel Clough at Derby and Billy Davies at Forest are already into the upper half of longest serving managers in the league.
46 managers <1 year 65 managers <2 years 73 managers <3 years
TOP 10 Alex Ferguson - 23 years Arsene Wenger - 13 years John Coleman (Accrington) - 10 years David Moyes - 7 years Steve Tilson (Southend) - 6 years John Still (Dag&Red) - 5 years Rafael Benitez - 5 years **** Dave Jones (Cardiff) - 4 years Paul Trollope (Bristol R) - 4 years Gary Johnson (Bristol C) - 4 years
****= Rafa's place in the Top 10 will be taken by Sammy McIlroy (Morecambe)
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Post by Panda on Jan 15, 2010 21:35:13 GMT 1
As a Boro fan, I feel I should apologise to all English football fans for my team lengthening Fergie's career, possibly until his death.
He was all set to retire in 2002 but changed his mind after Man U were knocked out of the FA Cup by Boro (managed by his former assistant).
Sorry everybody.
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Post by Shireblogger on Jan 16, 2010 3:01:17 GMT 1
As a Boro fan, I feel I should apologise to all English football fans for my team lengthening Fergie's career, possibly until his death. He was all set to retire in 2002 but changed his mind after Man U were knocked out of the FA Cup by Boro (managed by his former assistant). Sorry everybody. As a Southampton fan, I feel I should apologise for getting Fergie appointed in the first place. It was a humiliating cup victory for the Saints against United that got Ron Atkinson the sack. Sorry everybody.
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Post by Panda on Jan 16, 2010 17:28:36 GMT 1
Any Aberdeen fans here?
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Post by Panda on Feb 1, 2010 14:22:51 GMT 1
Peterborough have sacked Mark Cooper after only 2 months in charge.
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Post by Tom on Feb 1, 2010 14:30:26 GMT 1
Peterborough have sacked Mark Cooper after only 2 months in charge. What good is that going to do? They're going to finish bottom anyway. Mind you, you've got to question why they appointed him in the first place if they werent going to give him the time. Despite the job Ferguson did there they were still (surprisingly) bottom when he left...
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Post by Earl Purple on Feb 6, 2010 19:49:58 GMT 1
Stuart McCall has announced he is going to resign as manager of Bradford City. He will speak to the joint chairman Julian Rhodes on Monday to confirm this.
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