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Post by frag on Dec 4, 2009 19:33:26 GMT 1
My prediction: England to win the group, beat Serbia or Ghana in the 2nd round and France in the QFs, then lose to Brazil in the semis.
(edit: I misread the permutations for the semi-final)
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Post by frag on Dec 4, 2009 19:37:58 GMT 1
Ooh, Brazil v Ivory Coast on my birthday... not too interested in the other two games (both from group F).
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Post by Panda on Dec 4, 2009 19:38:32 GMT 1
That couldn't have gone much better for England.
Possible last 16 line-up, based on FIFA rankings:
France v Greece England v Serbia Netherlands v Paraguay Brazil v Chile Argentina v Mexico Germany v USA Italy v Cameroon Spain v Portugal
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Post by Shireblogger on Dec 4, 2009 19:39:59 GMT 1
My prediction: England to win the group, beat Serbia or Ghana in the 2nd round and France in the QFs, then lose to Spain in the semis. I think you're on the money there Frag. I reckon it will be Ghana.
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Post by Chris on Dec 4, 2009 19:47:52 GMT 1
Radio 5 live debate now. BBC guy predicting we'll go out in the semis to Brazil! He said Spain at first then looked at his sheet and said "no Brazil"
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Post by suedehead on Dec 4, 2009 20:17:47 GMT 1
David Seaman has said that it's good that two of England's matches are evening kick-offs. I think someone needs to remind him that it will be winter in South Africa.
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Post by Panda on Dec 4, 2009 20:37:17 GMT 1
Could play into Slovenia's hands...
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Post by o on Dec 4, 2009 21:36:30 GMT 1
E and G look the tough groups, I wish France had got Portugal's ball, and Spain's group looks p*ss easy, as does our group, but this is England we're talking about! On the bbc2 show, he kept saying who we were avoiding, and I was saying are we avoiding Brazil, because they must be the faves surely? When we doing the sweepstake mrh?
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Post by Panda on Dec 4, 2009 21:51:28 GMT 1
E and G look the tough groups, I wish France had got Portugal's ball, and Spain's group looks p*ss easy, as does our group, but this is England we're talking about! On the bbc2 show, he kept saying who we were avoiding, and I was saying are we avoiding Brazil, because they must be the faves surely? When we doing the sweepstake mrh? Jonathan Pearce had no clue before the draw, no clue during the draw and probably still doesn't know what's going on. He seemed quite adamant that England couldn't play Argentina before the final, which is complete b****cks. England can't play Brazil or Spain until the semis. Sweepstake in June, perhaps? I'll update the long version, though.
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Post by suedehead on Dec 4, 2009 22:02:02 GMT 1
E and G look the tough groups, I wish France had got Portugal's ball, and Spain's group looks p*ss easy, as does our group, but this is England we're talking about! On the bbc2 show, he kept saying who we were avoiding, and I was saying are we avoiding Brazil, because they must be the faves surely? When we doing the sweepstake mrh? Jonathan Pearce had no clue before the draw, no clue during the draw and probably still doesn't know what's going on. He seemed quite adamant that England couldn't play Argentina before the final, which is complete b****cks. England can't play Brazil or Spain until the semis. Sweepstake in June, perhaps? I'll update the long version, though. There really isn't any excuse for this. It would have been very easy to have all the possible permutations in front of him as the draw was being made.
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Post by Panda on Dec 4, 2009 22:25:48 GMT 1
Jonathan Pearce had no clue before the draw, no clue during the draw and probably still doesn't know what's going on. He seemed quite adamant that England couldn't play Argentina before the final, which is complete b****cks. England can't play Brazil or Spain until the semis. Sweepstake in June, perhaps? I'll update the long version, though. There really isn't any excuse for this. It would have been very easy to have all the possible permutations in front of him as the draw was being made. He wrote an article on the BBC website earlier in the week, where he seemed to think all 4 pots would be seeded, despite the fact this hasn't happened since the tournament expanded to 32 and also despite the fact he said it would be the 4th finals draw he's covered...
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Post by Panda on Dec 4, 2009 22:41:04 GMT 1
Latest betting...
To win the World Cup: 9/2 Spain 11/2 Brazil 6/1 England 10/1 Argentina 12/1 Italy 14/1 Germany 14/1 Holland 16/1 France 28/1 Portugal 33/1 Ivory Coast 50/1 Chile 80/1 Serbia 80/1 Ghana 80/1 Paraguay 100/1 USA 100/1 Nigeria 100/1 Uruguay 125/1 Cameroon 125/1 Mexico 150/1 South Africa 150/1 Denmark 150/1 Australia 150/1 Greece 175/1 Switzerland 250/1 Slovakia 250/1 Slovenia 300/1 Japan 300/1 South Korea 500/1 Algeria 1000/1 Honduras 2000/1 North Korea 3000/1 New Zealand
To win group...
Group A 6/5 France 9/2 Mexico 9/2 Uruguay 8/1 South Africa
Group B 4/7 Argentina 5/1 Nigeria 9/1 Greece 12/1 South Korea
Group C 4/11 England 5/1 USA 12/1 Slovenia 25/1 Algeria
Group D 10/11 Germany 9/2 Serbia 5/1 Ghana 9/1 Australia
Group E 4/5 Holland 5/1 Cameroon 5/1 Denmark 16/1 Japan
Group F 4/7 Italy 5/1 Paraguay 10/1 Slovakia 80/1 New Zealand
Group G 8/11 Brazil 4/1 Portugal 9/2 Ivory Coast 200/1 North Korea
Group H 4/11 Spain 5/1 Chile 11/1 Switzerland 50/1 Honduras
To qualify for Last 16...
Group A 2/9 France 4/5 Mexico 11/8 South Africa 13/8 Uruguay
Group B 1/10 Argentina 6/5 Greece 6/5 Nigeria 15/8 South Korea
Group C 1/12 England 4/6 USA 7/4 Slovenia 7/2 Algeria
Group D 1/6 Germany 11/10 Serbia 5/4 Ghana 13/8 Australia
Group E 1/5 Holland 10/11 Cameroon 6/5 Denmark 15/8 Japan
Group F 1/10 Italy 1/2 Paraguay 6/5 Slovakia 13/2 New Zealand
Group G 1/10 Brazil 1/2 Portugal 6/5 Ivory Coast 13/2 North Korea
Group H 1/14 Spain 4/6 Chile 6/4 Switzerland 10/3 Honduras
How far will England get? 7/2 Last 16 4/1 Quarter-finals 9/2 Semi-finals 6/1 Final 6/1 Win World Cup 8/1 Group Stage
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Post by paulgilb on Dec 4, 2009 23:06:43 GMT 1
Thoughts on the draw:
The French are a bunch of lucky b*st*rds again - although they do have Uruguay in their group, and we know what happened the last time these two were in the same group.
England v United States in Group C - a chance for revenge for 1950?
Group E - both of my remaining 'long sweepstake' teams drawn together.
Group F - good group for Italy.
Group G - Brazil v Portugal could be interesting (a Portuguese-speaking ref would be handy).
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Post by Panda on Dec 4, 2009 23:06:48 GMT 1
Biggest group matches (based on aggregate FIFA ranking): 7 - Portugal (5) v Brazil (2) 14 - Cameroon (11) v Holland (3) 18 - Chile (17) v Spain (1) 18 - Brazil (2) v Ivory Coast (16) 19 - Spain (1) v Switzerland (18) 20 - Greece (12) v Argentina (8) 21 - Ivory Coast (16) v Portugal (5) 22 - France (7) v Mexico (15) 25 - England (9) v USA (14) 26 - Germany (6) v Serbia (20) 26 - Uruguay (19) v France (7)
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Post by Panda on Dec 4, 2009 23:11:31 GMT 1
The French are a bunch of lucky b*st*rds again - although they do have Uruguay in their group, and we know what happened the last time these two were in the same group. France's draw is harder than it looks. Mexico have a good record when it comes to getting out of the group stage and a win is never guaranteed against a South American team. Any slip-ups will leave them needing a result against South Africa in front of their own fans. South Africa are a poor side but you can never rule out the hosts.
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Post by Panda on Dec 4, 2009 23:32:06 GMT 1
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Post by suedehead on Dec 4, 2009 23:36:11 GMT 1
If England reach the semi-final (we can dream) they will play on the Tuesday (6 July)
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Post by Panda on Dec 4, 2009 23:36:49 GMT 1
Incidentally, England's group may be the first ever occurrence of a World Cup group containing 4 teams that all wear the same colour shirts.
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Post by Panda on Dec 4, 2009 23:38:47 GMT 1
If England reach the semi-final (we can dream) they will play on the Tuesday (6 July) Only if we win our group. If we're runners-up, it'll be the day after.
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Post by paulgilb on Dec 4, 2009 23:39:56 GMT 1
The French are a bunch of lucky b*st*rds again - although they do have Uruguay in their group, and we know what happened the last time these two were in the same group. France's draw is harder than it looks. Mexico have a good record when it comes to getting out of the group stage and a win is never guaranteed against a South American team. Any slip-ups will leave them needing a result against South Africa in front of their own fans. South Africa are a poor side but you can never rule out the hosts. I only meant that they were lucky to be in the same group South Africa (who are ranked much lower than the other seeds).
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