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Post by Robin on Nov 18, 2009 23:40:21 GMT 1
Where can I see the French goal? Is there a highlights programme?
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Post by Panda on Nov 18, 2009 23:43:39 GMT 1
Where can I see the French goal? Is there a highlights programme? It should be on Sky Sports News at some point. You'll probably have to wait until tomorrow morning to see it on terrestrial TV.
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Post by frag on Nov 18, 2009 23:46:34 GMT 1
I haven't seen it yet, but I was listening on the radio (big mistake - things never go well when I do that). Time to get to SSN.
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Post by frag on Nov 19, 2009 0:13:24 GMT 1
I've seen it. Thierry Henry is a cheat.
They should replay the game, ban Henry (2 matches would seem consistent), and introduce video replays for the finals. But I doubt they'll do any of these things.
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Post by vastar iner on Nov 19, 2009 0:13:31 GMT 1
You can take the man out of Arsenal, but you can't take the Arsenal out of the man.
Disgusting. Utterly disgusting.
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Post by suedehead on Nov 19, 2009 0:41:17 GMT 1
That was a blatant piece of cheating. I can't see how the officials can have thought Henry had kept the ball in by legal means.
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Post by Robin on Nov 19, 2009 0:53:30 GMT 1
It was cheating, but we shouldn't get carried away. I remember Dennis Wise scoring with his hand for England against Turkey in a game we won 1-0. It does happen and Ireland are unlucky but they had their chances and shouldn't just dwell on this
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Post by suedehead on Nov 19, 2009 1:18:59 GMT 1
It was cheating, but we shouldn't get carried away. I remember Dennis Wise scoring with his hand for England against Turkey in a game we won 1-0. It does happen and Ireland are unlucky but they had their chances and shouldn't just dwell on this I've seen a few more highlights now and Ireland certainly had their chances to avoid it going to extra time. But if England had gone out in similar circumstances, we wouldn't let that mitigate our anger.
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Post by frag on Nov 19, 2009 1:58:43 GMT 1
It shouldn't be allowed to.
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Post by Panda on Nov 19, 2009 2:16:48 GMT 1
CONCACAF/South America playoff 2nd leg: URUGUAY 1-1 COSTA RICA (Uruguay win 2-1 on aggregate) URUGUAY qualify for the World CupUruguay survived a late scare to clinch the 32nd and final place in the 2010 World Cup finals. Leading 1-0 from the first leg, Uruguay looked to have booked their passage when they doubled their advantage with 20 minutes to go. But Walter Centeno scored soon after for Costa Rica, meaning the Ticos just needed one more for a surprise away goals victory. They couldn't get the breakthrough, though and Uruguay's victory ensures all 7 past winners of the World Cup will be present in South Africa.
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Post by Panda on Nov 19, 2009 2:29:30 GMT 1
After two and a half years and around 900 matches, these are the 32 qualifiers for the 2010 World Cup: QUALIFIERS SO FAR: HOSTS SOUTH AFRICA EUROPE DENMARK ENGLAND FRANCE GERMANY GREECE ITALY NETHERLANDS PORTUGAL SERBIA SLOVAKIA SLOVENIA SPAIN SWITZERLAND SOUTH AMERICA ARGENTINA BRAZIL CHILE PARAGUAY URUGUAY AFRICA ALGERIA CAMEROON GHANA IVORY COAST NIGERIA CONCACAF HONDURAS MEXICO UNITED STATES ASIA AUSTRALIA JAPAN NORTH KOREA SOUTH KOREA OCEANIA NEW ZEALAND
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Post by Shireblogger on Nov 19, 2009 8:43:36 GMT 1
Thank you misterhamster for your accurate, entertaining, and timely coverage of the World Cup qualifiers.
However, am I the only person to think that the whole thing has been dragged out for too long ? I really didn't need the play-offs after 2 years of group games.
And now, the interminable friendlies and blanket media speculation about England's chances, before we finally get to South Africa in too many months time...
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Post by Robin on Nov 19, 2009 9:26:47 GMT 1
Yes, thanks misterhamster. This thread has been very helpful.
I enjoy all the media build-up, sometimes the hype, expectation and overall pre-tournament atmosphere is better than the tournament itself!
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Post by suedehead on Nov 19, 2009 11:22:01 GMT 1
Thank you misterhamster for your accurate, entertaining, and timely coverage of the World Cup qualifiers. However, am I the only person to think that the whole thing has been dragged out for too long ? I really didn't need the play-offs after 2 years of group games. And now, the interminable friendlies and blanket media speculation about England's chances, before we finally get to South Africa in too many months time... I would prefer to have the play-offs involving the likes of Andorra and San Marino and then having groups of, say, five teams with the top two going through.
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Post by Anne-Marie on Nov 19, 2009 11:57:09 GMT 1
I'm gutted, really, really gutted! Only got to watch the second half of the Ireland match last night as I was visiting my dad in hospital. I'm just astounded not one official seen Henry handling the ball not once but twice!! It should be more like rugby and video re-plays brought in for officials! Gutted for the boys who worked so hard last night!
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Post by frag on Nov 19, 2009 12:23:32 GMT 1
Thank you misterhamster for your accurate, entertaining, and timely coverage of the World Cup qualifiers. Hear hear! To be fair, the group stages (in Europe, at least) only started in September 2008, and finished in October 2009. The fact that the other qualifiers were dragged out over the past two years isn't anything to do with Europe. And the play-offs are necessary when you have 13 qualifiers from Europe, as 13 is prime (with 14 they could have had 7 groups and the top two going through, but then people would be complaining about too many group games...) I don't think the likes of Andorra and San Marino should be forced to play off. This would mean only a handful of games for these teams every two years, and if they don't play against the bigger teams, then they're never going to improve. Luxembourg were similarly pathetic 10 or 15 years ago, and this year they beat the eventual winners of their group. The only change I'd make (apart from video replays, obviously) would be to put teams like Kazakhstan and Israel into the Asian group. As for the Henry incident, now that the dust has settled, I think that replaying the game would be taking it too far - it would set a precedent that a game can be replayed if the ref gets any cruicial decision wrong. We'd still be playing the 2002 World Cup if that was the case One thing it should do is force video replays in. They would have cleared up both the penalty incident and the goal/handball within seconds (and in both cases the ball went out of play). In the case of the goal/handball, the ref's view was blocked, and the linesman may not have been in the right position to see, so (perhaps once the Irish captain had raised concerns over the handball) they would have gone to a replay, the goal would have been disallowed, and Ireland would probably have lost on penalties.
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Post by o on Nov 19, 2009 13:26:07 GMT 1
It would have been interesting if Ireland had scored a goal like that, I wonder if the reaction from people like Platini would have been different? Can I ask why video replays are still not being used for goalline technology and other things? Is it that it would delay a game by too much time? Too much money to implement? Cheers mrh, great reading.
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Post by frag on Nov 19, 2009 15:41:30 GMT 1
It would be virtually free to implement - give the 4th official a TV - and in most cases, a decision would take less than 30 seconds.
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Post by suedehead on Nov 19, 2009 16:00:41 GMT 1
Apparently Eamonn Dunphy suggested on Irish television last night that in incidents like that the referee should simply ask the player involved. As long as there were sufficient sanctions if the player was subsequently shown to have lied (as would have been the case if Henry denied handling the ball) that might be a better solution. There are too many cases where pundits cannot agree on a decision even after watching a replay many times. How long a delay would be acceptable before resorting to a default decision that the referee was right?
I have no problem with using technology to determine matters of fact such as whether the whole of the ball crossed the whole of the line. I'm not keen on using it to determine matters of opinion. Even last night the pictures showed conclusively that the ball was kept in play by Henry's hand. In my opinion it was deliberate. However, in cases of handball, the dispute is more often over whether contact was deliberate rather than whether or not there was any contact. There aren't too many cases where there seems to be as little doubt over intent as last night's incident.
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Post by Robin on Nov 19, 2009 16:06:49 GMT 1
I'm getting tired of the Irish moaning now, like it is the worst thing to ever happen in football! Nope, it was unfortunate, but it will soon be forgotten by everyone but the Irish! Henry will play on, France will play on and the World will forget! The Irish Justice minister should certainly not be getting involved, requesting replays and player punishments! And Irish coach Brady talking like Ireland would be doing the tournament a favour by offering to replay the match!! The handball didn't prevent Ireland from progressing to the World Cup finals, it only prevented them from having a better opportunity in the game. France were firmly on top when they scored the goal anyway and Ireland were on the back foot!
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