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Post by Panda on Jun 19, 2010 12:37:08 GMT 1
Time for some good old finger-pointing.
Why have England been so crap in this World Cup?
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Post by vastar iner on Jun 19, 2010 13:05:42 GMT 1
Champions League.
There's too many players who save their best for their club and don't bother trying for England.
Classic example: Jamie Carragher. When England needed centre-halves in the past few years, where was he? Sulking. And concetrating on playing for Liverpool. Now Liverpool are out of the Champions League, where is Carragher? Back in the England squad. That attitude applies to so many players. It's only England, we can shuffle through.
Play a team along the lines of Hart, Shawcross, Johnson R, Dann, Baines, Johnson A, Huddlestone, Parker, Young, Bent and Agbonlahor and you may not win the competition, but at least you'd get them playing 100%. And I bet you that line up would have beaten Algeria.
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Post by Maximo Mark on Jun 19, 2010 17:06:55 GMT 1
I think it's a combination of all four options to be honest. Injuries haven't helped either. Ferdinand is out and Barry, Lennon and Cole are just back from injury and not looking as good as they were before (I know it's harsh on Barry, but the point stands). Terry hasn't been as good since the revaltions of his private life came out and Gerrard is playing on the back of probably his worst season ever. The ball doesn't help, goalkeepers have been making too many errors throughout the tournament (another two today) and it's constantly hit miles over whenever anyone puts any power behind it, it's too light. Capello umming and ahhing about his team selection can't be helping, even if it's not a major factor.
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Post by o on Jun 19, 2010 17:21:35 GMT 1
I agree with a lot of what has been said, they dont seem to care so much for the World Cup as they do in the Champs League, Capello has made some dodgy decisions, PLAY JOE COLE, I'm also not convinced they are actually good enough!
And if they cant handle the pressure they should give up now imo.
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Post by Shireblogger on Jun 19, 2010 19:15:28 GMT 1
The players aren't good enough. It's the weakest World Cup squad since the 1980s.
We have a very narrow minded view of football in Britain. Because we have many of the best club sides, and attract the world's best talent, we think this equates to England success. It doesn't.
Only 2 of our team are good enough for a place in the other leading nations of the world - Rooney and Gerrard. And neither is on form at the moment.
Plus, we always, always underestimate nations from outside Europe. We dismiss the USA and Mexico's Top 10 world rankings as FIFA bias. We still think that the 4th or 5th best team in Africa (Algeria) will be push-overs. It's just not true.
The fact is that we have an average team at the moment; there have been some injury problems; and the only really talented players on which the rest of the team depends, aren't playing well. The depth of talent in the squad is woeful. Would Glen Johnston get a game for Italy, Germany, Holland, Spain, Argentina, Brazil...? Would Wright-Phillips or Carragher make those countries' squads ? Of course not.
Don't blame the ball. (All 24 teams use the same one).
Don't blame the manager. (It was down to him that qualification was so easy. We flattered to deceive).
Don't blame tiredness. (So many of the teams that have started well have players from the Premier League or Spanish, Italian and German leagues, which are just as demanding).
Don't blame pressure. (They get more in the UK when they play for their clubs. Being thousands of miles away in sheltered accommodation reduces the pressure. Who honestly thinks that the players from Argentina, Nigeria, Mexico or North Korea, for example, are under less pressure ?).
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Post by vastar iner on Jun 19, 2010 20:04:13 GMT 1
Plus, we always, always underestimate nations from outside Europe. We dismiss the USA and Mexico's Top 10 world rankings as FIFA bias. We still think that the 4th or 5th best team in Africa (Algeria) will be push-overs. It's just not true. To be fair, though, Algeria were tonked 3-0 by Malawi recently, and the USA/Mexico have never reached even the quarters away from America. Algeria - a side with people who struggle to make Portsmouth's first eleven - should have been beatable. |
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Post by ligerdog7 on Jun 19, 2010 20:10:09 GMT 1
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Post by ligerdog7 on Jun 19, 2010 20:13:38 GMT 1
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Post by Robin on Jun 19, 2010 21:39:21 GMT 1
Plus, we always, always underestimate nations from outside Europe. We dismiss the USA and Mexico's Top 10 world rankings as FIFA bias. We still think that the 4th or 5th best team in Africa (Algeria) will be push-overs. It's just not true. Algeria - a side with people who struggle to make Portsmouth's first eleven - should have been beatable. A bit harsh, Bellhaj was one of Portsmouth's best players last season. If he'd started the FA Cup final rather than Mullins they may have done better |
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Post by Earl Purple on Jun 20, 2010 1:11:46 GMT 1
We don't have an out-and-out goalscorer in the team. I don't believe Wayne Rooney is one. He's a good forward and did score a lot of goals for Man U last season but I wouldn't class him in the same way as Shearer or Owen in the past when they were at their best. Heskey certainly isn't one either.
Lennon is only just back from injury and isn't back at his best. He is best when he is taking on a team who are attacking back as he is fast on the break. Seems to do well playing against teams like Chelsea then who when they play Tottenham are going out to win, not sitting back.
And Gerrard did NOT have a great season just now with his club. Did nobody notice Liverpool were very average last season and only finished 7th?
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Post by Pablo on Jun 20, 2010 3:52:09 GMT 1
We don't have an out-and-out goalscorer in the team. I don't believe Wayne Rooney is one. He's a good forward and did score a lot of goals for Man U last season but I wouldn't class him in the same way as Shearer or Owen in the past when they were at their best. Heskey certainly isn't one either. Agree with this, England are more reliant on the likes of Lampard or Gerrard to score rather than a proper striker who can get behind the defence. The balance of the team is just not there. Why play 4-4-2 formation when we don't have a player who can play an orthodox left winger? Against Algeria, England were literally inviting them to attack through their right side. At least put Joe Cole there on the left and give Gerrard the freedom to play a 4-4-1-1 formation. At least then, we might have half a chance. You could also say that by not playing in Euro 2008 has affected the team spirit somewhat but you would expect them to recover after 2 years and a good quali campaign. |
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Post by wonderwall on Jun 20, 2010 9:05:58 GMT 1
as always the problem is they cant play as a team it happens every time.
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Post by vastar iner on Jun 20, 2010 16:05:47 GMT 1
Champions League. There's too many players who save their best for their club and don't bother trying for England. Add France to that. Anelka has been sent home and Evra led the squad in a boycott of training today. |
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Post by frag on Jun 20, 2010 21:23:08 GMT 1
I think it's down to attitude. After failing to qualify for Euro 2008, the players had a point to prove, particularly against Croatia. They came here feeling that they had proven that point, and also that they could just turn up and beat the likes of Algeria. Consequently, they got complacent, and turned in a performance without effort.
We don't know what Capello said at half time, but his substitutions certainly didn't help matters - it reminded me of Benitez's attempts at changing games throughout last season.
The players are certainly good enough, and on paper are still one of the best teams in the competition. If they put in full effort and believe in themselves (confidence must surely be shaken after Friday), and managed to win the group (i.e. beat Slovenia by more than USA beat Algeria), I still think they can reach the semi-finals.
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Post by ligerdog7 on Jun 20, 2010 22:27:04 GMT 1
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Post by Panda on Jun 20, 2010 22:32:44 GMT 1
It's more likely he'd resign rather than be sacked. The money-obsessed FA wouldn't be too keen to pay off the rest of the contract he's just signed. |
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Post by ligerdog7 on Jun 20, 2010 22:45:31 GMT 1
It's more likely he'd resign rather than be sacked. The money-obsessed FA wouldn't be too keen to pay off the rest of the contract he's just signed. good point dude but lets hope dont com dat  sacks sounds mo kool # but yar right yt yoo yoooooooooooooooooooooooooooo damm skippyy think win wednsday yoooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo mooo nooooooooooooooo diggty upppppppppppp  |
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Post by Razzle Dazzle on Jun 23, 2010 13:32:03 GMT 1
Algeria - a side with people who struggle to make Portsmouth's first eleven - should have been beatable. A bit harsh, Bellhaj was one of Portsmouth's best players last season. If he'd started the FA Cup final rather than Mullins they may have done better think this sums it up perfectly, most people believe algeria and all their players are crap when they are infact some good players in their team, ziani won the german league the other year and belhadj is one of the best left sided players in the premiership. where as everyone overates and raves on about english players even if they are crap or simply play awful every time they play for england. under estimating opponents anyone? not to mention the manager not having much of a clue about international football. wrong players in the wrong formation and we are the only team in the world that refuses to name a starting lineup until kick off! calling up and playing unfit or injured players dosen't help. gerrard and terry have had very poor seasons at club level, rooney and barry are unfit. we continue to play the whole midfield out of position just to play lampard and he has done nothing for england for 6 year! except miss a few penalties and shoot over the bar from 35 yards every 20 minutes or so. our keepers are nowhere near good enough. green is average, james is 40 and our best option and hart hasnt played a competitive game for england...scott carson anyone. glenn johnson can't pass or defend, ashley cole would rather be somewhere else than play for england, before the fa cup final he was asked if he would rather win the world cup or fa cup and he said the fa cup with chelsea, everytime he gives the ball away and rolls his eyes this world cup ive wanted to punch him in the face. we have no pace at cb terry and carragher? come on, my granny could skin them for pace lampard and gerrard cannot play in the same team he refuses to play joe cole the only person in the squad that is even capable of creating a chance when rooney and gerrard are off form barry is unfit and even fuly fit he is not a ball winner, he is a cultured ball player that keeps it simple, he just looks like he can tackle because lampard and the wingers trot about for 90 minutes waiting for a pass before they do anything. ince, batty, wise, butt, hargreaves, we need a guy who will chase, harry, tackle, win the ball, get the crowd going, scott parker is the man, he would run 50 yeards and go into a 60/40 in favour of the oposition using his face to win the ball back. lennon has never done it for england, he can run, thats about it, swp is the exact same player but even more lightweight if thats even possible, very one dimensional and give you nothing defensivly and add that to lampard and gerrard and we are in big big trouble because everyone stands about waiting for someone else to win the ball. but we don't play that player so our defence are exposed constantly and we make mistakes we have heskey that cant score and rooney that has looked worse than michael ricketts upfront. rooney is more likely to get sent off today than score and then theres the manager, hasn't got much of a clue and is to stuborn to admit it so not much of a shock why we can't compete against average teams, because we are average ourself |
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