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Post by ThinWhitePuke on Dec 2, 2010 19:33:34 GMT 1
By that chart the number of victims is going down significantly which means it is becoming less of a problem and in the UK I was not talking about actual violence but the rise of ultra nationalism among the youth of today, we are a racist country
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Post by suedehead on Dec 2, 2010 22:25:56 GMT 1
England didn't just lose out - they were humiliated and I place the blame right at the door of The Times and the BBC. No-one is denying their right to expose the wrong-doing but couldn't they just have waited another couple of weeks? The Sunday Times and the BBC raised legitimate concerns. Their stories were about alleged corruption. The Mail On Sunday story, OTOH, was just an attempt to discredit a Labour politician. FIFA have dismissed the allegations, saying "no FIFA representative has ever been found guilty of taking a bribe". True or not, does that mean that no FIFA representative will ever take a bribe? Should the prosecuting authorities here have said "No former cabinet minister has been found guilty of perjury so ew won't investigate Jonathan Aitken" or "No MP has been found guilty of fiddling their expenses so we aren't going to make any further investigations"? If there is corruption within FIFA it should be exposed. If that means England miss out on the World Cup then so be it. I'm very disappointed that I may never see a World Cup in England but I'd rather lose with integrity intact than kowtow to a corrupt organisation.
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Post by suedehead on Dec 2, 2010 22:30:13 GMT 1
By that chart the number of victims is going down significantly which means it is becoming less of a problem and in the UK I was not talking about actual violence but the rise of ultra nationalism among the youth of today, we are a racist country So if, for example, there were 10,000 murders in this country one year and "only" 9,875 the following year, we could say that it was longer a problem? Thankfully the murder rate is nothing like as high as that, I am merely using it as an illustration of the absurdity of your remarks - no change there then.
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Post by ThinWhitePuke on Dec 2, 2010 22:35:49 GMT 1
By that chart the number of victims is going down significantly which means it is becoming less of a problem and in the UK I was not talking about actual violence but the rise of ultra nationalism among the youth of today, we are a racist country So if, for example, there were 10,000 murders in this country one year and "only" 9,875 the following year, we could say that it was longer a problem? Thankfully the murder rate is nothing like as high as that, I am merely using it as an illustration of the absurdity of your remarks - no change there then. The number has dropped by 2/3 in the space of 3 years and each year has seen a drop so surely even though it is still too high big progress is being made and things are heading in the right direction fast ?
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Post by suedehead on Dec 2, 2010 22:38:43 GMT 1
So if, for example, there were 10,000 murders in this country one year and "only" 9,875 the following year, we could say that it was longer a problem? Thankfully the murder rate is nothing like as high as that, I am merely using it as an illustration of the absurdity of your remarks - no change there then. The number has dropped by 2/3 in the space of 3 years and each year has seen a drop so surely even though it is still too high big progress is being made and things are heading in the right direction fast ? It's good news - as long as there has been no manipulation of staistics - but not good enough. Racism is still a major problem in Russian football.
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Post by vastar iner on Dec 2, 2010 22:41:17 GMT 1
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Post by vastar iner on Dec 2, 2010 22:41:39 GMT 1
^ The welcome for Cameroon, Nigeria, Ghana et al in 2018.
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Post by ThinWhitePuke on Dec 2, 2010 22:48:22 GMT 1
^ The welcome for Cameroon, Nigeria, Ghana et al in 2018. We are talking 8 years time, I am sure the Russian authorities will crack down big time in the coming 8 years knowing the eyes of the world will be on them. 11 years after Heysel we successfully hosted the Euro's, shows how countries can get their house in order. Hooliganism and violence and racial abuse was rife in English football 8 years before Euro 96, I saw at first hand players like John Barnes being pelted with bananas and being given monkey chants other black players too but we got our house in order and Euro 96 was a success. What's to say Russia won't do the same ?
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Post by Panda on Dec 2, 2010 22:57:05 GMT 1
Here's a question:
Should England forget about FIFA and trying to host the World Cup for a while and try to get the Euros in 2020 and show what a great tournament we can put on? We could then line up a World Cup bid for 2030 or 2034.
Or should it be World Cup or nothing?
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Post by vastar iner on Dec 2, 2010 22:59:32 GMT 1
^ The welcome for Cameroon, Nigeria, Ghana et al in 2018. We are talking 8 years time, I am sure the Russian authorities will crack down big time in the coming 8 years knowing the eyes of the world will be on them. Yes, maybe they will do what they always do, and kill their critics. That'll be good.
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Post by Paddy on Dec 2, 2010 22:59:55 GMT 1
The Euro's is as good a competition to stage as any other.
But atm money is tight. Do we really need a competition at all, spec with a lacklusture sports team.
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Post by Mart!n on Dec 2, 2010 23:05:21 GMT 1
Here's a question: Should England forget about FIFA and trying to host the World Cup for a while and try to get the Euros in 2020 and show what a great tournament we can put on? We could then line up a World Cup bid for 2030 or 2034. Or should it be World Cup or nothing? 2030 they probably lose it, its the centenary year. They should applied for 2026 or 2034
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Post by Chris on Dec 3, 2010 9:35:53 GMT 1
So, according to one of England's bid guys, Andy Anson, on Sky News just now, it WAS the media and Panorama show that made some committee members not vote for us. Several of them have admitted it to them. Some said they'd vote for us then didn't and he says that's a disgrace. He hinted that there's no point us bidding again until Sebb Blatter either dies or resigns.
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Post by Earl Purple on Dec 3, 2010 11:34:23 GMT 1
I don't think the World Cup should be hosted in Spain as they only had it as recently as 1982. I also thought it was unfair that the Germans got it again so soon in 2006.
Russia and the Netherlands have never hosted one whereas England has done so, albeit as long ago as 1966.
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Post by Tom on Dec 4, 2010 12:53:19 GMT 1
I didn't really know who would win the bid (went for Spain/Portugal) but with the Panorama scandal i didn't expect England to get it. I watched it rather half-heartedly tbh and almost didn't watch it at all... I'm afraid no one likes us, its that simple for me.
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Post by greendemon on Dec 5, 2010 19:38:49 GMT 1
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Post by ThinWhitePuke on Dec 5, 2010 19:52:15 GMT 1
Good on Boris and Seb
Why should we give free hospitality to crooks and liars
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Post by Chris on Dec 5, 2010 19:58:20 GMT 1
I disagree. We're just doing what we've said they did!! Promised something then went back on it. How childish and petty.
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Post by raliverpool on Dec 5, 2010 20:06:32 GMT 1
I disagree. We're just doing what we've said they did!! Promised something then went back on it. How childish and petty. I disagree with you, it's called playing them at their own game. As they've proved to be untrustworthy, then why not remove their free hospitality. Good on Boris & Seb I say.
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Post by greendemon on Dec 6, 2010 0:04:22 GMT 1
it's unbelievably childish and vindictive. it's making the gesture look like nothing more than a bribe which was withdrawn because the playground bullies didn't keep their end of the 'bargain'. if boris had kept the offer, it would have given england the opportunity to maintain some dignity and keep the moral high ground. instead it's just made us look like bad losers
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