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Post by Panda on Oct 16, 2013 19:19:45 GMT 1
Uruguay have absolutely no business being seeded and have been given a huge boost by being in the Confederations Cup, for which FIFA awards a ridiculous amount of ranking points (second only to the World Cup itself). A team shouldn't get a World Cup seeding because they beat Nigeria and Tahiti.
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Post by Panda on Oct 16, 2013 19:21:11 GMT 1
With Poland though they change about every 4 years. Ours have been due to other things other then qualification. I was trying to point out that give a manager 8 years in charge and they'll have experience of the qualification process and can enact upon it. Again, about par for the course in international football. Very few international managers get 8 years these days.
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Post by Panda on Oct 16, 2013 20:15:28 GMT 1
Odds to win the 2014 World Cup:
100/30 Brazil 5/1 Germany 6/1 Argentina 13/2 Spain 14/1 Belgium 22/1 Italy 22/1 Netherlands 33/1 Colombia 33/1 England 40/1 France 40/1 Uruguay 50/1 Portugal 66/1 Chile 80/1 Russia 150/1 Bosnia 150/1 Ecuador 150/1 Ghana 150/1 Mexico 150/1 Switzerland 150/1 USA 175/1 Japan 200/1 Ivory Coast 250/1 Croatia 250/1 Sweden 250/1 Ukraine 300/1 Nigeria 400/1 Greece 450/1 South Korea 500/1 Australia 500/1 Cameroon 750/1 Burkina Faso 750/1 Romania 750/1 Tunisia 2000/1 Algeria 2000/1 Costa Rica 2000/1 Senegal 2500/1 Honduras 2500/1 Iceland 2500/1 Iran 5000/1 Egypt 5000/1 Ethiopia 5000/1 Jordan 5000/1 New Zealand
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Post by Thor on Oct 16, 2013 20:24:58 GMT 1
Poland suffer because their best players end up in the German team.
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Post by Panda on Oct 17, 2013 13:14:22 GMT 1
Seeds confirmed after the latest world rankings were published: Brazil Spain Germany Argentina Colombia Belgium Switzerland Uruguay or Holland
The other pots will be split geographically. England are 10th in the rankings, so narrowly miss out on a seeding, though that might not be such a bad thing if they can avoid one of the top 4. However, they should almost certainly be seeded for the Euro 2016 qualifiers, unless UEFA comes up with some crazy seeding system or qualifying process.
The other news is Ukraine have moved above Sweden in the rankings, meaning they will be seeded for the playoffs, along with Greece, Croatia and Portugal.
It's believed England will play friendlies against Germany and Chile next month as the build-up to the World Cup starts. Argentina, Australia and Denmark have been rumoured as other possible opponents before the tournament. England will probably play another home game in March before playing a couple of warm-up games away from home, possibly in Brazil itself.
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Post by o on Oct 17, 2013 16:02:38 GMT 1
Sam is convinced Belgium will win it! I dont understand how Switzerland are seeded above us?
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Post by Paddy on Oct 17, 2013 16:17:01 GMT 1
Have to say Belguim at 14/1 is a real tempter for me. The players are African ethnicity in many cases so used to the heat and if they continue their improvements like they have been they'll play some really lovely football.
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Post by madmurray on Oct 17, 2013 16:26:04 GMT 1
Just got an email from Fifa and woo hooo...Scotland have had the biggest move by points from FIFA. Up 168 points. www.fifa.com/worldranking/news/newsid=2197884/index.html?cid=newsletter_en_20131017_newsidAlso: The preliminary competition for the 2014 FIFA World Cup Brazil™ is drawing to a close. Unsurprisingly, the 69 qualifiers played since the last edition of the FIFA/Coca-Cola World Ranking, as well as the 20 friendlies and ten preliminary matches for continental competitions, have had a significant effect on the global ladder. In the top ten, only Spain’s position at the summit remains unchanged, while Germany have pushed Argentina out of second place. New entries into the top ten are Switzerland (7th, up 7) and England (10th, up 7), both thanks to their recent strong performances in the final group games in the World Cup qualifying. Italy, meanwhile, have paid heavily for their draw against Armenia, dropping four places to eighth. The distribution of teams in Pot 1 for the World Cup Final Draw on 6 December is as follows: Brazil, together with Spain, Germany, Argentina, Colombia, Belgium and Switzerland are definitely in Pot 1. If Uruguay win the intercontinental play-off against Jordan, they will also go into the first pot. However, if Jordan win, the decimal points difference between the Netherlands (1135.95) and Italy (1135.61) will see the Dutch take the last place in Pot 1. This latest FIFA/Coca-Cola World Ranking has also determined which teams will be seeded for the European play-off draw for Brazil 2014, which will take place at the Home of FIFA in Zurich on Monday, 21 October at 14.00 CET. The distribution of teams in Pot 1 for the European play-off draw will be the four highest-positioned teams, which are confirmed as follows: Portugal, Greece, Croatia and Ukraine. Pot 2 will include France, Sweden, Romania and Iceland A further 20 teams have now qualified for the World Cup in addition to hosts Brazil. They are: Argentina, Australia, Belgium, Bosnia-Herzegovina, Chile, Colombia, Costa Rica, Ecuador, England, Germany, Honduras, Iran, Italy, Japan, Korea Republic, the Netherlands, Russia, Spain, Switzerland and USA. The next FIFA/Coca-Cola World Ranking will be published after completion of World Cup qualifying on 28 November 2013.
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Post by Mart!n on Oct 17, 2013 16:42:03 GMT 1
Is South and North Korea now known as Korea Republic
I think its Iceland, Bosnia-Herzegovina first competition in the finals, not sure if there is any others.
I must admit Belgium do have a strong team, I reckon there is a chance they could actually win the tournament.
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Post by Panda on Oct 17, 2013 17:12:32 GMT 1
Is South and North Korea now known as Korea Republic I think its Iceland, Bosnia-Herzegovina first competition in the finals, not sure if there is any others. I must admit Belgium do have a strong team, I reckon there is a chance they could actually win the tournament. North and South Korea are still separate. Korea Republic is FIFA's name for South Korea. They call North Korea "Korea DPR". It's Bosnia's first tournament qualification. Iceland haven't qualified yet but it would be their first major tournament if they made it. Bosnia are the only confirmed debutants in Brazil so far but they could be joined by Burkina Faso, Ethiopia and Jordan. Everyone else has played in at least one World Cup before.
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Post by raliverpool on Oct 17, 2013 17:46:25 GMT 1
Sam is convinced Belgium will win it! I dont understand how Switzerland are seeded above us? Simple, in the last two years: Switzerland WC Qualifying: 7 Wins 3 Draws 0 Defeats Friendlies: 4 Wins 1 Draw 0 Defeat = Wins included Home vs Germany & Brazil. England WC Qualifying: 6 Wins 4 Draws 0 Defeats Friendlies: 3 Wins 2 Draws 1 Defeat
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Post by o on Oct 17, 2013 18:18:08 GMT 1
Sam is convinced Belgium will win it! I dont understand how Switzerland are seeded above us? Simple, in the last two years: Switzerland WC Qualifying: 7 Wins 3 Draws 0 Defeats Friendlies: 4 Wins 1 Draw 0 Defeat = Wins included Home vs Germany & Brazil. England WC Qualifying: 6 Wins 4 Draws 0 Defeats Friendlies: 3 Wins 2 Draws 1 Defeat And the last tournaments? Friendlies really count, so it's best just to play teams you can beat in order to get up the rankings, that's rubbish!
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Post by Panda on Oct 17, 2013 18:41:49 GMT 1
Sam is convinced Belgium will win it! I dont understand how Switzerland are seeded above us? Simple, in the last two years: Switzerland WC Qualifying: 7 Wins 3 Draws 0 Defeats Friendlies: 4 Wins 1 Draw 0 Defeat = Wins included Home vs Germany & Brazil. England WC Qualifying: 6 Wins 4 Draws 0 Defeats Friendlies: 3 Wins 2 Draws 1 Defeat Switzerland have lost two friendlies in the last two years - against Argentina and Romania. England also beat Brazil, as well as Italy. It seems very harsh that friendly results have put Switzerland ahead of Holland, especially when the Swiss never even got close to qualifying for Euro 2012. It would seem that over time, failing to qualify for a tournament can give you a ranking advantage over a team that qualifies and does badly.
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Post by suedehead on Oct 17, 2013 19:09:44 GMT 1
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Post by smokeyb on Oct 17, 2013 19:20:33 GMT 1
I don't know why everyone is concerned whether England are top seeds or not,they couldn't win the thing(apart from the home one)when they were top seeds so what difference will being second seeds make, In the end you have to beat every team you come up against, eventually. If England are that good then they will win it if they are not then they won't. Simples.
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Post by Maximo Mark on Oct 17, 2013 19:26:18 GMT 1
Assuming Uruguay qualify I'd guess the pots would look like this:
Pot A: Brazil, Spain, Germany, Argentina, Belgium, Switzerland, Colombia, Uruguay
Pot B: European qualifiers
Pot C: The European country not drawn from Pot B, Chile, Ecuador + 5 African qualifiers
Pot D: 4 Asian qualifiers, 3 North American Qualifiers + New Z/Mexico play-off winner
So, Switzerland, Algeria and Honduras? Or Brazil, Ivory Coast & Japan?
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Post by Maximo Mark on Oct 17, 2013 19:33:14 GMT 1
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Post by frag on Oct 17, 2013 22:13:38 GMT 1
SWITZERLAND?! There are going to be some pretty unbalanced groups in this world cup...
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Post by suedehead on Oct 17, 2013 22:25:41 GMT 1
SWITZERLAND?! There are going to be some pretty unbalanced groups in this world cup... Same as normal then!
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Post by Mart!n on Oct 17, 2013 22:33:18 GMT 1
North and South Korea are still separate. Korea Republic is FIFA's name for South Korea. They call North Korea "Korea DPR". It's Bosnia's first tournament qualification. Iceland haven't qualified yet but it would be their first major tournament if they made it. Bosnia are the only confirmed debutants in Brazil so far but they could be joined by Burkina Faso, Ethiopia and Jordan. Everyone else has played in at least one World Cup before. Thanks. I thought Ethiopia have played before in the finals, but I'm probably mixing it with some other country like Tunisia. Bit strange seeing Iceland as one of the top seeds considering its their first major tournament, that's if they qualify.
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