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Post by suedehead on Dec 6, 2013 17:49:08 GMT 1
Cheers frag. I'm probably going to miss the draw as I'm heading down to York for my gf's birthday. The time difference means I'm home from work already, and my wife has gone to Kraków for the weekend, so I'm free to watch as much prevarication as I like before sometime venturing through the snow and ice to get dinner. (Amusingly, roughly a centimetre of snow has lead to roads here getting clogged up enough that walking was faster than getting the bus for 4 stops...) let's roll the dice... - Argentina, Nigeria, Japan - Ghana - Italy - Croatia Are you watching in Polish or English?
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Post by suedehead on Dec 6, 2013 17:51:34 GMT 1
We seem to have missed the first appearance of Pele.
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Post by Paddy on Dec 6, 2013 18:03:03 GMT 1
Who is the female? Definitely one for the dads!
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Post by suedehead on Dec 6, 2013 18:15:07 GMT 1
Ouch! Italy and Uruguay plus a trip to the rain forest. France get a doddle of a draw.
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Post by frag on Dec 6, 2013 18:18:26 GMT 1
England will go out in the group stage against... Uruguay, Italy and Costa Rica.
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Post by frag on Dec 6, 2013 18:20:24 GMT 1
The time difference means I'm home from work already, and my wife has gone to Kraków for the weekend, so I'm free to watch as much prevarication as I like before sometime venturing through the snow and ice to get dinner. (Amusingly, roughly a centimetre of snow has lead to roads here getting clogged up enough that walking was faster than getting the bus for 4 stops...) let's roll the dice... - Argentina, Nigeria, Japan - Ghana - Italy - Croatia Are you watching in Polish or English? English - I found a BBC stream...
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Post by suedehead on Dec 6, 2013 18:25:59 GMT 1
Time to clutch at straws. Italy often struggle a bit in the group stages.
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Post by Paddy on Dec 6, 2013 18:26:53 GMT 1
Suarez could well be banned by summer... Italy in the rainforest doesn't suit either team, a 0-0 I predict. We should beat Costa Rica, so it comes down to Suarez!
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Post by suedehead on Dec 6, 2013 18:30:11 GMT 1
I suppose we should at least be thankful that the rain forest game is a late kick-off even though it will be the only 2am BST kick-off. Other matches in the same venue kick off rather earlier when conditions will probably be even worse.
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Post by frag on Dec 6, 2013 18:34:11 GMT 1
Time to clutch at straws. Italy often struggle a bit in the group stages. They have that problem, yeah, like in the last world cup, but I think we might need to beat them. Hypothesis time! - Costa Rica lose all their games - England v Italy: draw - Uruguay v England: Uruguay win Then with one match left, it's Uruguay 6 Italy 4 England 1 Costa Rica 0 Italy needing a draw v Uruguay to go through... depending on how Suarez is feeling, I can see them getting that. But hey, we might scrape through and then lose to Brazil/Spain in the quarters...
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Post by Paddy on Dec 6, 2013 18:36:31 GMT 1
England v Italy is 2am Sunday morning. How many people will be down the pub that night!
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Post by Maximo Mark on Dec 6, 2013 19:09:17 GMT 1
Uruguay really aren't much cop and shouldn't be anywhere near seeding. They were my 2nd preferred seed to get after Switzerland, thought it would've been nice to not have Italy I don't think it's that bad a group at all, before the European teams were drawn I'd have said it was better than A, B or G and on par with C.
As for location, yes one is in a sh*t location but it's at 22:00, not at 13:00 when some matches there will be played, it's not like Italy are a team that'll be used to it, and the other two games are at locations which are very near to where we're staying.
Overall, not great but nowhere near the disaster it's being made out to be.
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Post by rubcale on Dec 6, 2013 19:37:26 GMT 1
Playing Italy in their opening match may be the best time to meet them.
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Post by ligerdog7 on Dec 6, 2013 20:52:34 GMT 1
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Post by Shireblogger on Dec 7, 2013 7:53:32 GMT 1
I'm not entirely sure why all the supposed experts are saying this is a really tough draw...
Of all the seeds, Uruguay are probably the weakest. I'd rather have Italy than Germany, Spain or the Netherlands. And Costa Rica are one of the lowest ranked teams left in the tournament. Plus, if we have to play someone in Manaus, let it be another European nation, rather than, say, Mexico, Ghana or Japan.
And if we're good enough to see off two of Costa Rica, Uruguay and Italy, we get a team from one of the weakest groups in the second round. It only gets tough in the Quarter Finals - Brazil, Spain or Netherlands - and that's when it should get tough.
Group B: Spain, Netherlands, Chile, Australia Group G: Germany, Portugal, Ghana, USA
I'm glad we didn't end up as the second European nation in either of those.
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Post by Mart!n on Dec 7, 2013 11:35:50 GMT 1
I don't think its a tough group to be honest, easily beat Costa Rica, Italy can be hit or miss sometimes and go to sleep half way through, I know they have 1 or 2 good players in their squad, I think our tough opponents are Uruguay since its practically a home nation and they are used to playing on that side of the world, probably most of their players play in the European countries.
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Post by Razzle Dazzle on Dec 7, 2013 11:50:07 GMT 1
Uruguay are hit and miss. They finished 5th in qualifying and had to go through the playoff and this is a qualifying group without brazil so if brazil were not hosting then uruguay wouldnt have even qualified. Yes on their day they are decent and 2/3 year ago were the team to beat but I wouldnt say we have no chance against them. We are more than capable of beating italy. The conditions will suit neither team and whenever we play we are evenly matched. Draw written all over that one and then we have one of the worst teams there in costa rica. It is a challenging draw but not a tough one. There are atleast 2 worse groups on paper and when you look closer even the likes of france could struggle when you consider honduras are no worse than costa rica, equador out qualified uruguay! And switzerland have hardlies lost for 2 year. They are hugely underated and ofcourse the crushing expectation that comes with being in a so called easy group I think they will struggle and wont top that group, although should go through
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Post by suedehead on Dec 7, 2013 16:25:42 GMT 1
England v Italy is now at 11pm UK time on the Saturday. Better for television viewers but potentially worse for the players.
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Post by Paddy on Dec 7, 2013 16:59:59 GMT 1
2am was fine as a time!
Makes it 6pm there?
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Post by suedehead on Dec 7, 2013 17:29:57 GMT 1
2am was fine as a time! Makes it 6pm there? Yes, 6pm is correct. The biggest problem with 2am for me was that I'm not expecting it to be a very good game. The usual opening game cautious approach combined with the conditions seems to be screaming 0-0 to me.
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