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Post by Panda on Mar 19, 2012 13:49:50 GMT 1
The BBC has lost all its televised horse racing coverage (including the Grand National, the Derby and Royal Ascot) to Channel 4.
Horse racing was once a regular part of BBC sports coverage but it has shown just 13 days of live racing since 2010.
Channel 4 has paid £15m for the four-year contract which starts in 2013 and will make it the sole broadcaster of horse racing on terrestrial TV.
That means the Grand National and Derby join the FA Cup, the Masters golf, F1, the Paralympics, World Athletics*, BDO darts and possibly Football League on the list of sporting events the BBC has lost either some or all of the rights to in recent years.
(* BBC has regained the rights for the 2015 and 2017 World Athletics Championships)
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Post by Razzle Dazzle on Mar 19, 2012 16:05:55 GMT 1
aslong as itv or channel 4 pick them up i couldn't care less, bbc is fast becoming a joke
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Post by o on Mar 19, 2012 16:11:45 GMT 1
But what exactly is our licence fee funding? Daft wages for people that dont deserve them, or tv that we want to watch? Scrap Eastenders I say, that would save them a heck of a lot of money!
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Post by Panda on Mar 19, 2012 16:17:11 GMT 1
But what exactly is our licence fee funding? Daft wages for people that dont deserve them, or tv that we want to watch? Scrap Eastenders I say, that would save them a heck of a lot of money! Indeed. I understand the need for cuts, I just don't understand some of the decisions that have been made, in particular keeping the wall-to-wall two-week coverage of Wimbledon, at the expense of other events. Don't get me wrong, it's great that they devote that much attention to a sporting event but I would rather see a reduction in Wimbledon coverage in return for keeping some of the events the BBC has given up. Horse racing-wise, Channel 4 does a much better job than the BBC anyway (even if its own coverage has been scaled back in recent years) but it will be very strange seeing the Grand National on there. |
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Post by suedehead on Mar 19, 2012 16:39:32 GMT 1
But what exactly is our licence fee funding? Daft wages for people that dont deserve them, or tv that we want to watch? Scrap Eastenders I say, that would save them a heck of a lot of money! Eastenders still gets big audiences though so they're hardly going to scrap that. They've cut some of the highest wages as contracts come up for renewal. However, they've always got to be wary of the risk that their most popular performers / presenters will jump ship and go to ITV or Sky. |
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Post by o on Mar 19, 2012 17:47:34 GMT 1
Have the bbc still got the boatrace though, now that is what is important!  |
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Post by Earl Purple on Mar 19, 2012 18:19:12 GMT 1
Horse racing is suited to commercial channels. Lots of breaks between the races for commercials, and obviously those slots will appeal to online bettings sites who can try to get people in to bet on the next race.
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Post by wonderwall on Mar 19, 2012 18:24:35 GMT 1
Everything will end up on sky in the end they have everything if they really want it
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Post by raliverpool on Mar 19, 2012 18:58:35 GMT 1
The Old Etonians Blues are doing all they can to ensure "Uncle" Rupert gets all the best Sport behind a paywall.
On 20 October 2010, the Chancellor of the Exchequer George Osborne announced that the television licence fee would be frozen at its current level until the end of the current charter in 2016. The same announcement revealed that the BBC would take on the full cost of running the BBC World Service and the BBC Monitoring service from the Foreign and Commonwealth Office, and will part finance the Welsh broadcaster S4C.
In real terms taking into account for inflation the total reduction in their budget is 20%, following the licence fee freeze in October 2010 by 2016.
Hence the BBC are having to take the proverbial up the ass from the Old Etonian brigade in power at the moment.
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Post by Earl Purple on Mar 19, 2012 20:19:19 GMT 1
I wouldn't mind if it did end up on sky rather than lots of different subscription channels so I would be expected to subscribe to all of them. In general I want football and would quite like it if there were a football channel rather than a "sky sports", and the football channel would show nothing but football-related sports programmes.
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Post by Maximo Mark on Mar 19, 2012 22:00:13 GMT 1
That means the Grand National and Derby join the FA Cup, the Masters golf, F1, the Paralympics, World Athletics*, BDO darts and possibly Football League on the list of sporting events the BBC has lost either some or all of the rights to in recent years. (* BBC has regained the rights for the 2015 and 2017 World Athletics Championships) I don't know about all of them but to be fair they only picked up F1 and the Football League in the last 4 years so it's not like they're dropping BBC treasures there. It's all disappointing, but the BBC will have to lose a hell of a lot more content across all platforms before I don't feel it provides excellent value for money. |
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Post by Tom on Mar 23, 2012 18:01:31 GMT 1
But what exactly is our licence fee funding? Daft wages for people that dont deserve them, or tv that we want to watch? Scrap Eastenders I say, that would save them a heck of a lot of money! Indeed. I understand the need for cuts, I just don't understand some of the decisions that have been made, in particular keeping the wall-to-wall two-week coverage of Wimbledon, at the expense of other events. Don't get me wrong, it's great that they devote that much attention to a sporting event but I would rather see a reduction in Wimbledon coverage in return for keeping some of the events the BBC has given up. Horse racing-wise, Channel 4 does a much better job than the BBC anyway (even if its own coverage has been scaled back in recent years) but it will be very strange seeing the Grand National on there. I wouldn't want them to cut Wimbledon coverage. But then I am probably biased as after the Olympics its my favourite sporting event of the year. Sky's coverage (including the interactive service) of the US Open improved last year, but I still consider the BBC's Wimbledon coverage to be the best for any of the Grand Slams, and I doubt anyone would do it better. Well, apart from not cutting the number of streams down when Glastonbury or a major football tournament is on anyway. |
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Post by Panda on Dec 16, 2014 14:21:07 GMT 1
Looks like another cull is on the way.
Channel 5 are set to take the rights to Football League highlights from next season. ITV are believed to be planning to try and get the Premier League highlights back when the next contract is due for renewal and it's rumoured BBC will be willing to share its Wimbledon coverage with BT in an attempt to reduce costs.
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Post by Razzle Dazzle on Dec 16, 2014 15:06:48 GMT 1
So what exactly does our 4 billion a year raised from licence fees actually pay for these days?
I know we have to cut costs so money can be distributed to more important things like Ian Duncan Smith's £40 expenses for breakfast! and ofcourse The Treasury had to find £16,095 of our money for legal fees to oppose plans to cap the level of bonuses at a banker’s annual salary so the bankers could get their money.
Bankers bonuses for 2012
HSBC
£2.4 billion
Barclays Bank
£1.85 billion
Royal Bank of Scotland/NatWest
£607 million
Lloyds Banking Group
£365 million
Santander
£150 million
and we all know George Osborne loves parking in disabled parking spaces in fast food restaurants so theres a few fines to pay there, he would argue the rate we are killing off the vulnerable they don't need parking spaces anymore, especially since a new government scheme involves taking away their cars!
And ofcourse a few weeks ago our government sold off East Coast Rail
the franchise has proved a lucrative cash cow for the state, bringing in around £1 bilion to the exchequer since 2009. East coast is an embarrassing success story for public ownership. Instead, they sell it to a tax exile and a Scottish businessman perhaps best known for campaigning against gay equality
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Post by Shireblogger on Dec 16, 2014 15:20:21 GMT 1
Full marks to Razzle Dazzle for managing to link the BBC license fee to banker's bonuses and disabled car parking spaces. The BBC should employ you to write a new series of "Tales Of The Unexpected" and "Jackanory". |
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Post by o on Dec 16, 2014 15:50:28 GMT 1
Whereas if we talk about the daft wages paid to certain presenters and celebrities at the bbc, we might have a point, and of course senior management...
I wonder how many people, or the % of people that DONT pay their licence fee?
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Post by Razzle Dazzle on Dec 16, 2014 16:05:15 GMT 1
Ha why thank you, I thought a quarter of licence fee's were paid for by government which they would cut if they could and im sure they have stopped funding the BBC and it all comes out the licence fee's now. Anyway my rant was more pointing out they find money to pay for/fund useless sh*t they want but with the other hand give away billions
There will be no BBC and TV licences are due to be discussed (doubled in price or scrapped for subscription service) in the next few year
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Post by Razzle Dazzle on Dec 16, 2014 16:07:51 GMT 1
I read they got 3.7261 billion in licence fees in 2013-2014 so cant be that many people avoiding paying
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Post by raliverpool on Dec 16, 2014 23:16:29 GMT 1
I read they got 3.7261 billion in licence fees in 2013-2014 so cant be that many people avoiding paying Where as Sky TV got £7.617 billion in subscription fees in 2013-14. Yet compare the BBC's including Radio TV schedule and relative lack of repeats to Sky over Xmas/New Year period. Don't worry all of you who want to see the BBC licence abolished then vote Conservatives and UKIP at the next General election in May 2015. With a bit of luck you'll get a coalition between the two and then like all privatised services and utility you can pay much more for far less.  |
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Post by raliverpool on Dec 16, 2014 23:45:46 GMT 1
Whereas if we talk about the daft wages paid to certain presenters and celebrities at the bbc, we might have a point, and of course senior management... I wonder how many people, or the % of people that DONT pay their licence fee? Yes quite, let the Conservatives & UKIP get their way and you'll get your wish. Then years later come to realize how financially stupid your comments are: Just compare ITV with BBC: 2013-14 Revenues: ITV £2.39 billion versus BBC £3.73 billion And yet ITV's Chief Executive Adam Crozier in 2013 was paid £8.4 million versus BBC's Director General Lord Tony Hall £532,000. Simon Cowell was paid £22.6 million for BGT & XF (and other X-Factor judges Cheryl Cole got £2.5 million; Louis Walsh £1.5 million; Mel B £1.0 million) versus the judges on the far more successful Strictly Come Dancing (Len Goodman £150K; and the other three Bruno Tonioli, Craig Revel Horwood and Darcey Bussell are paid 90K each); ITV's next biggest earners Ant & Dec were paid £12 million compared to the BBC's biggest earner Jeremy Clarkson earns £3 million (albeit £2.0 million of that is from the BBC Worldwide sales of his Top Gear programme which his company owns the distribution rights to). Why do think time and time again successful presenters (Susanna Reid; Adrian Chiles; Christine Bleakley; Alesha Dixon; etc) leave the BBC to (normally fall flat on their face) over on ITV? Privatisation = Pay more for an inferior, substandard service. See virtually all UK privatised services since the mid 1980s. |
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