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Post by Panda on Jun 19, 2012 23:59:18 GMT 1
canny vate mrh reply yooooooo i still lost how france trough dont tell me france still be trough lost 10 0 tell what had england lost 2-0 better gon trough i bit lost cum england nedded 1 point trough france didnt did day win all games bar dis von allso after france lost saturday out right wont The simple answer is they got more points than Ukraine and Sweden. France got 4, Ukraine and Sweden only got 3. As suedehead said, the only way France could've gone out tonight was if England had lost as well but by fewer goals than France. That means if England had lost 2-1, France would've been out. One fact ahead of the Spain-France game: Spain have never beaten France in a competitive game. France knocked them out of the 2006 World Cup and the Euros in 2000 and 1984. They also beat them twice in qualifying for Euro 92. The one draw came in the group stages of Euro 96.
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Post by Chris on Jun 20, 2012 0:09:02 GMT 1
ITV said we've only beaten Italy once in the last 9 games.
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Post by Panda on Jun 20, 2012 0:13:42 GMT 1
Head-to-head records for quarter-finals:
CZECH REPUBLIC* v PORTUGAL Competitive: 4-3 (3 draws) All games: 4-4 (3 draws) Last game: CZE 1-3 POR (Euro 2008)
GERMANY v GREECE Competitive: 4-0 (3 draws) All games: 5-0 (3 draws) Last game: GRE 2-4 GER (2002 World Cup qualifier)
SPAIN v FRANCE Competitve: 0-5 (1 draw) All games: 13-11 (6 draws) Last game: FRA 0-2 ESP (Friendly, 2010)
ENGLAND v ITALY Competitive: 1-4 (1 draw) All games: 7-9 (6 draws) Last game: ENG 1-2 ITA (Friendly, 2002)
* - includes Czechoslovakia
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Post by Panda on Jun 20, 2012 0:15:09 GMT 1
ITV said we've only beaten Italy once in the last 9 games. Yes, in 1997, though those 9 games stretch back 32 years.
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Post by Panda on Jun 20, 2012 0:43:41 GMT 1
France's defeat to Sweden ended the longest unbeaten run in international football after 23 games without defeat.
The longest unbeaten run now belongs to Ivory Coast who have gone 19 games (15 wins, 4 draws) without losing (not including penalty shoot-outs), followed by Uruguay on 17.
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Post by o on Jun 20, 2012 8:00:11 GMT 1
Cheers for the explanations regarding the table and how France went out, glad it didn't happen. The ball was over the line, but we see that at slowed speed, the guy on the line didn't, and he has to be 110% sure it was a goal to give it, but it highlights that they will get it wrong like linesmen do at times as well, which is why the chip is needed.
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Post by Razzle Dazzle on Jun 20, 2012 9:16:55 GMT 1
Ha but in this case if we had goal line technology the goal would have been wrongly given when an offside should have been given 10 seconds earlier. if we bring in goal line technology surely we need to be able to appeal the buildup to the goal it was illegal? at the end of the day a wrong decision would still lead to a goal even with technology in this case.
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Post by frag on Jun 20, 2012 11:29:48 GMT 1
Just to show how different this tournament could've been if it had had 24 teams, let's see who else would've qualified and how it would've affected the seedings. Playoff losers: Turkey, Bosnia, Estonia and Montenegro would all have qualified by finishing 2nd in their respective groups. Playoff qualifiers: The playoffs would then have shifted to the 3rd placed teams but we would have to lose one to get them down to 8. The 3rd place teams table would've looked like this: 1. Norway 16 (+3) 2. Hungary 13 (-3) 3. Armenia 11 (+5) 4. Switzerland 11 (+2) 5. Scotland 11 (-1) 6. Israel 10 (-2) 7. Belgium 9 (+1) 8. Serbia 9 (-4) ----------------------- 9. Romania 8 (0) So Romania miss out and the other 8 go into the playoffs. Based on the UEFA's coefficients at the end of qualifying, our last 4 qualifiers would be: Serbia, Switzerland, Norway and Israel Using UEFA's coefficients, that would've given us the following pots for the draw. POT 1: Poland, Ukraine, Spain, Holland, Germany, Italy POT 2: England, Russia, Croatia, Greece, Portugal, Sweden POT 3: Denmark, France, Czech Republic, Ireland, Serbia, Switzerland POT 4: Turkey, Norway, Israel, Bosnia, Montenegro, Estonia So Spain and Italy would've avoided each other, as would Holland and Germany, England and Sweden and Russia and Greece. England could've ended up with Spain/Germany, France and Turkey as group of death opponents, or could've ended up with Poland, Switzerland and Estonia. Based on this, the 20-team format seems optimal, for two reasons: the drop in ability is less noticeable, and the format is slightly easier. However, I wonder what the perceived quality of the European nations was when they were talking about increasing it from 8 to 16 teams? I remember Greece being absolutely terrible at the World Cup in '94...
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Post by o on Jun 20, 2012 12:10:37 GMT 1
Ha but in this case if we had goal line technology the goal would have been wrongly given when an offside should have been given 10 seconds earlier. if we bring in goal line technology surely we need to be able to appeal the buildup to the goal it was illegal? at the end of the day a wrong decision would still lead to a goal even with technology in this case. Which is why they want to use a chip in the ball rather than video evidence, because with video evidence, people would be challenging every offside and off the ball incident. Sometimes offsides go your way, sometimes they dont. It's only like goals being disallowed for fouls that weren't or goals scored from freekicks that weren't fouls.
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Post by Razzle Dazzle on Jun 20, 2012 12:22:40 GMT 1
atleast scotland and wales have a better chance of qualifying
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Post by Panda on Jun 20, 2012 15:36:39 GMT 1
Just to show how different this tournament could've been if it had had 24 teams, let's see who else would've qualified and how it would've affected the seedings. Playoff losers: Turkey, Bosnia, Estonia and Montenegro would all have qualified by finishing 2nd in their respective groups. Playoff qualifiers: The playoffs would then have shifted to the 3rd placed teams but we would have to lose one to get them down to 8. The 3rd place teams table would've looked like this: 1. Norway 16 (+3) 2. Hungary 13 (-3) 3. Armenia 11 (+5) 4. Switzerland 11 (+2) 5. Scotland 11 (-1) 6. Israel 10 (-2) 7. Belgium 9 (+1) 8. Serbia 9 (-4) ----------------------- 9. Romania 8 (0) So Romania miss out and the other 8 go into the playoffs. Based on the UEFA's coefficients at the end of qualifying, our last 4 qualifiers would be: Serbia, Switzerland, Norway and Israel Using UEFA's coefficients, that would've given us the following pots for the draw. POT 1: Poland, Ukraine, Spain, Holland, Germany, Italy POT 2: England, Russia, Croatia, Greece, Portugal, Sweden POT 3: Denmark, France, Czech Republic, Ireland, Serbia, Switzerland POT 4: Turkey, Norway, Israel, Bosnia, Montenegro, Estonia So Spain and Italy would've avoided each other, as would Holland and Germany, England and Sweden and Russia and Greece. England could've ended up with Spain/Germany, France and Turkey as group of death opponents, or could've ended up with Poland, Switzerland and Estonia. Based on this, the 20-team format seems optimal, for two reasons: the drop in ability is less noticeable, and the format is slightly easier. However, I wonder what the perceived quality of the European nations was when they were talking about increasing it from 8 to 16 teams? I remember Greece being absolutely terrible at the World Cup in '94... Put it this way: Euro 92 didn't feature Italy, Spain, Czechoslovakia, Romania, Belgium and Ireland, who were all among Europe's top teams at the time. Five of those reached the knockout stages of the 1994 World Cup. Bulgaria didn't qualify either and reached the semis in 1994. Portugal were another who didn't qualify, though they didn't become regular tournament qualifiers until the start of this century. Seven of the last eight at the 1994 World Cup were from Europe and four of them hadn't qualified for Euro 92. The fact was it was easier to qualify for the World Cup than it was for the Euros. There's always at least one European team that does crap at the World Cup and Europe didn't benefit at at all from the World Cup being expanded to 32 teams.
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Post by Tom on Jun 20, 2012 20:03:44 GMT 1
Missed Monday's games but as for the others..
Portugal-Holland - best game of the tournament so far, it will take something special to top this, Ronaldo superb he made this game what it was for me, deserved a hat-trick. Another really impressive performance from Portugal. They're my dark horse for the knockout stages now, tough to break down and if Ronaldo carries on in this form they will be hard to stop. Would still make Germany favourites for the title, but if Portugal can get past the Czechs (their head-to-head record is identical) then it will be very interesting as Portugal were unlucky to lose the group meeting between the sides I felt.
England-Ukraine last night - Can't believe we topped the group a) because we didn't deserve to win and b) because France lost! UEFA/FIFA must be relieved that the Ukraine "goal" didn't affect the outcome of qualification from the group. Difficult to know how we'll do against Italy in the quarters as i've yet to see them in the tournament, but their results haven't been convincing (even had gut feeling on the day of the Spain-Italy game that that would be a draw despite my prediction in that game), so it does look winnable.
Whilst talking about Hodgson in my previous England post when mentioning about tactical subs I really should have said his tactics/team selection, which have been spot on so far in the tournament.
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Post by Tom on Jun 20, 2012 20:13:12 GMT 1
Taken from the England squad thread: This is beginning to seem more and more like Euro 92. A squad already weakened due to injuries is further depleted by more injuries just before the tournaments starts, resulting in inexperienced replacements being called up, whose international credentials are still very much in doubt. We also have the prospect of facing the hosts in the final group game... Forget to mention this before, but was reminded on the opening weekend that Greece winning it in 2004 was the same year that they hosted the Olympics, last European nation to host the Olympics of course. Found it interesting but didn't think too much of it at the time, now seems a bit more relevant...not that i'm saying England are going to win it (just like Reading were never going to finish higher than 3rd last season), much prefer to take it one match at a time, but thought it was worth mentioning all the same...
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Post by ligerdog7 on Jun 21, 2012 0:33:41 GMT 1
canny vate mrh reply yooooooo i still lost how france trough dont tell me france still be trough lost 10 0 tell what had england lost 2-0 better gon trough i bit lost cum england nedded 1 point trough france didnt did day win all games bar dis von allso after france lost saturday out right wont The simple answer is they got more points than Ukraine and Sweden. France got 4, Ukraine and Sweden only got 3. As suedehead said, the only way France could've gone out tonight was if England had lost as well but by fewer goals than France. That means if England had lost 2-1, France would've been out. One fact ahead of the Spain-France game: Spain have never beaten France in a competitive game. France knocked them out of the 2006 World Cup and the Euros in 2000 and 1984. They also beat them twice in qualifying for Euro 92. The one draw came in the group stages of Euro 96. cherrs dude others things lost now etc diffrence btween final semy finals all games lift semey finals gets last 1 rigt i herd 1 say whre 2 games away final huhhhhhhhhhhh dude any chance well play france ven france played us ace other day rubish dat goal sweden got waqsnt aloud ofside riteee dude if win sunday who lily play ta ;D i late got go mo skiyping girls loves ruffyesssss huhhhhhhhh moo noo diggtyyy upppppppppppppppppp
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Post by Panda on Jun 21, 2012 0:36:59 GMT 1
It's the quarter-finals.
The only way we can play France again is if we both get to the final.
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Post by Panda on Jun 21, 2012 8:49:59 GMT 1
Odds for the quarter-finals:
Czech Republic 19/4 Portugal 4/5 Draw 13/5
Germany 4/11 Greece 10/1 Draw 17/4
Spain 11/13 France 4/1 Draw 13/5
England 15/8 Italy 15/8 Draw 9/4
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Post by Shireblogger on Jun 21, 2012 9:26:36 GMT 1
Surely worth a punt on Greece ?
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Post by Mart!n on Jun 21, 2012 9:37:07 GMT 1
If Czech Republic win, it be a first win for them since they broke away from Czechoslovakia.
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Post by ligerdog7 on Jun 21, 2012 20:57:20 GMT 1
canny vate mrh reply yooooooo i still lost how france trough dont tell me france still be trough lost 10 0 tell what had england lost 2-0 better gon trough i bit lost cum england nedded 1 point trough france didnt did day win all games bar dis von allso after france lost saturday out right wont The simple answer is they got more points than Ukraine and Sweden. France got 4, Ukraine and Sweden only got 3. As suedehead said, the only way France could've gone out tonight was if England had lost as well but by fewer goals than France. That means if England had lost 2-1, France would've been out. One fact ahead of the Spain-France game: Spain have never beaten France in a competitive game. France knocked them out of the 2006 World Cup and the Euros in 2000 and 1984. They also beat them twice in qualifying for Euro 92. The one draw came in the group stages of Euro 96. cheers dude shouldnt ant dear 2 games played now cum only tv bbc1 itv sayd if show footbull if win sunday vens next game v what hell going on england gveing out big red sacks goody bags fans hows chose gets in em looked big hoooooooo moo noooooo wuffyyy diggtyyyyyyyyyyyyyy upppppppppppppp
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Post by Panda on Jun 21, 2012 21:17:37 GMT 1
No, it's only one game at a time for the rest of the tournament.
If England win on Sunday, their semi-final will be next Thursday.
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