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Post by Mart!n on Jun 24, 2012 22:15:39 GMT 1
I can't look now, its more nerve racking watching it.
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ligerdog7
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Post by ligerdog7 on Jun 24, 2012 22:15:57 GMT 1
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Post by Mart!n on Jun 24, 2012 22:18:40 GMT 1
Bartoeilli to miss
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Post by smokeyb on Jun 24, 2012 22:20:47 GMT 1
the 2 worse penalty taking teams in Europe
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Post by Mart!n on Jun 24, 2012 22:21:46 GMT 1
Italy need to miss again
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Post by smokeyb on Jun 24, 2012 22:25:13 GMT 1
England now officially the worse penalty takers
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Post by Shireblogger on Jun 24, 2012 22:26:51 GMT 1
Why can't we just lose honourably in 90 minutes ? I really don't need this level of disappointment.
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Post by Mart!n on Jun 24, 2012 22:28:51 GMT 1
We played so apalling overall, we just didn't deserve to win it, we had chances in the first 90 mins of the game, just couldn't find the net.
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Post by Panda on Jun 24, 2012 22:29:33 GMT 1
Italy were by far the better team overall.
England didn't let anyone down this time but we just weren't good enough on the night.
We just about matched Italy in the first half but in the second half we looked tired and just couldn't keep the ball.
We've done well to get this far and showed a lot of grit and determination to take Italy to penalties but there's a lot of work to do before we can challenge for a tournament. But if this tournament has been anything to go by, we're heading in the right direction.
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Post by Shireblogger on Jun 24, 2012 22:32:27 GMT 1
We're heading in the right direction, but our player of the tournament - Steven Gerrard - has probably played his last major finals.
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Post by suedehead on Jun 24, 2012 22:32:50 GMT 1
Dear Mr Cole,
Passing to the goalkeeper is not the best way to take a penalty.
Yours sincerely, Suedehead
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Post by Panda on Jun 24, 2012 22:34:01 GMT 1
We're heading in the right direction, but our player of the tournament - Steven Gerrard - has probably played his last major finals. Possibly. But we have a ready-made replacement in Jack Wilshere...
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Post by smokeyb on Jun 24, 2012 22:36:12 GMT 1
I think England blew it tonight, they were second best for most of the game, outplayed,but still hung in there, Italy goal disallowed, hit post twice,miss the first penalty, but they still couldnt take it, looks like their luck just ran out.
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Post by paulgilb on Jun 24, 2012 22:39:26 GMT 1
At least we did better in the tournament than the Netherlands. And Ireland.
Incidentally, how many times in a major tournament has England done better than a side who were more fancied going into the tournament? The following spring to mind:
2010 - Italy 2006 - Spain 2004 - Spain, Germany, Italy 2002 - France, Argentina 2000 - Germany
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Post by Panda on Jun 24, 2012 22:54:41 GMT 1
At least we did better in the tournament than the Netherlands. And Ireland. So did 13 other teams. Incidentally, how many times in a major tournament has England done better than a side who were more fancied going into the tournament? The following spring to mind: 2010 - Italy 2006 - Spain 2004 - Spain, Germany, Italy 2002 - France, Argentina 2000 - Germany Germany weren't fancied in 2004 or 2000 - they were absolute sh*te back then (though they managed to fluke their way to a World Cup final in between). There was also Italy in 2002, Brazil in 1990, Italy in 1986...
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Post by Razzle Dazzle on Jun 24, 2012 23:00:57 GMT 1
young is not international class, defending he gets caught out 15 times a game and going forwdard he was awful the last 2 games, milner is just sh*t, apparently he was in the team to help out defensively yet against Ukraine and Italy we might aswel have played without a rm and rooney is useless for england, he has been for 4 or 5 year our 3 worst/most disappointing players of our tournament. everyone else came out of it with some credit, even johnson defended well
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Post by Maximo Mark on Jun 24, 2012 23:04:12 GMT 1
I'd rather that than be humiliated by Germany, it's not been long enough since the last time....
We were good in the first half, but we just weren't fit enough and we should've bought on an extra midfielder, as they had 4 central and we had 2, the absolute last thing we needed was Milner off for an out and out winger!
Overall a pleasing tournament, but top 6/8 is realistically where we are and there can be few complaints. They hype built up around Rooney was ridiculous and did nothing as usual to justify it save for the odd good touch. The back four and Gerrard+Parker were superb throughout, the losses of Barry and Lampard were big though, our midfield was overworked with few viable alternatives.
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Post by Maximo Mark on Jun 24, 2012 23:06:55 GMT 1
young is not international class, defending he gets caught out 15 times a game and going forwdard he was awful the last 2 games, milner is just sh*t, apparently he was in the team to help out defensively yet against Ukraine and Italy we might aswel have played without a rm and rooney is useless for england, he has been for 4 or 5 year our 3 worst/most disappointing players of our tournament. everyone else came out of it with some credit, even johnson defended well Young not international class? Between the World Cup and Euro 2012 he was England's best and most creative player. By far. But he did have a very poor tournament, only Rooney can probably rival him for our worst player, certainly most disappointing. Milner has been so underrated, he works so hard and does offer so much protection positionally, notice how tonight Italy controlled the game a lot more when we bought on a second proper winger, when Milner was on they didn't because they hadn't outnumbered our midfield so much. And it's not like the alternatives are any better, Walcott has one good game in three, being kind, Ox-C wasn't really ready yet but was worth taking, Downing and Johnson are just as hit and miss, Lennon is a worse version of Walcott...
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Post by Panda on Jun 24, 2012 23:23:01 GMT 1
I'd agree with most of what Mark said.
I thought Milner had been poor in the tournament until tonight but we were lacking in options in several areas.
Tonight probably saw Hodgson's only tactical error - Jordan Henderson should never be the player to bring on in any situation, let alone when your team is already being outplayed. Did he touch the ball? I'd have brought Jones on but the loss of Lampard left a big hole in the squad.
The back four were fantastic throughout the tournament. Gerrard was great until tonight, when he was one of those who faded badly.
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Post by Razzle Dazzle on Jun 24, 2012 23:38:21 GMT 1
Milner was ok tonight but overall was poor, ukraine he was murdered and other games anonymous at best, he wasnt our worst player but until today he was useless. young was our worst player, did you see him v ukraine? he kept asking cole where he should be standing and let them in atleast a dozen times, his forward play in the last 3 games has been awful, he has struggled to put one decent move per game, just cos he played well last year against nobodies dosent change the fact he was our worst player, closely followed by rooney. if rooney played the first 2 games we probably wouldn't have qualified, thats how poor he has been, bit like when he wanted to leave man u and played sh*t until he got 250k a week
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