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Post by Razzle Dazzle on Jun 24, 2012 23:46:11 GMT 1
And for young to be international class he has to do more than half a job, when he constantly lets people double up on cole and we get overun that is his fault, he can get away with that if he had gazza like flashes of genius but aswel as being a liability at defending aswel as being our most disappointing forward player he will never be international class. all he is good at is diving and he couldn't even do that right, useless ****
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Post by Earl Purple on Jun 25, 2012 0:15:01 GMT 1
Cole's penalty looked poor because it was saved. If Hart had stood his ground for the chipped penalty it would have looked as stupid as Kernogant doing that for Leicester in the play-offs and would have looked far worse than Cole's.
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Post by ligerdog7 on Jun 25, 2012 0:22:13 GMT 1
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Post by o on Jun 25, 2012 10:30:19 GMT 1
Anyone else think that taking Welbeck off was a mistake? Was he knackered, he certainly did more than Carroll imo. And why didn't Carroll take a penalty? The Germans would have annilhated us as well, so better to lose graciously in the quarters, than slaughtered in the semis.
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Post by Robin on Jun 25, 2012 10:59:59 GMT 1
The prize for biggest joke of the tournament should probably be shared by Ireland, France, Holland and England. I don't think we can say England did well by reaching the QF, when even Greece managed to put in a better QF performance than we did. We were embarrassingly poor against Italy and a sorry second to an average team.
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Post by Razzle Dazzle on Jun 25, 2012 11:31:42 GMT 1
we neither did well or poorly, we did just about what was expected i reckon
carroll won every header when he came on, put in some decent cut backs across the box and made the italians need to defend, he never really had a chance and everything that came up to im he had nobody within 20 yards to get the ball to, i thought he did well. he did more in that 30 minutes than rooney in 2 whole games, i know rooney scored, blah blah blah but really he did nothing else, wellbeck looked tired against ukraine after starting all 3 games, i didnt think he would start v italy so maybe thats why he was taken off
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Post by o on Jun 25, 2012 12:35:26 GMT 1
I think England did better than expected, I never thought we'd get out of the group. We were poor, but there are a lot of players missing, what it highlights is that we are missing some forward options.
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Post by Razzle Dazzle on Jun 25, 2012 12:39:02 GMT 1
we threw away a lead against sweden and played awful against ukraine and italy, it was more the other teams in our group under achieved raher than we did well, i expected us getting knocked out first round of the knockouts and we did.
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Post by Paddy on Jun 25, 2012 15:38:43 GMT 1
Should have started with Carroll and Defoe up front. We had Milner on who CAN cross, so where was the big man? Italy have been poor at the back with crosses. Look at Croatia game! On other wing should have had Ox-Chamberlain for speed and direct running into the box to look at winning penalties. Poor tactics by the owl.
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Post by Panda on Jun 25, 2012 16:21:59 GMT 1
Anyone else think that taking Welbeck off was a mistake? Was he knackered, he certainly did more than Carroll imo. And why didn't Carroll take a penalty? The Germans would have annilhated us as well, so better to lose graciously in the quarters, than slaughtered in the semis. I don't agree. I'm no fan of Carroll but I thought he did well when he came on, considering we'd mostly resorted to hoofing it long from about 60 minutes onwards. Overall, it as an OK tournament for us. It's clear that technically we're still a long way behind the top teams but Hodgson was never going to turn that around in 7 weeks. What he did do was create a spirit and resolve that was severely lacking under previous managers and that's what got us to the quarter-finals and it's a good base to start from as we start the re-building process again.
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Post by ligerdog7 on Jun 25, 2012 17:16:26 GMT 1
Italy were by far the better team overall. England didn't let anyone down this time but we just weren't good enough on the night. We just about matched Italy in the first half but in the second half we looked tired and just couldn't keep the ball. We've done well to get this far and showed a lot of grit and determination to take Italy to penalties but there's a lot of work to do before we can challenge for a tournament. But if this tournament has been anything to go by, we're heading in the right direction. i agree evything sayd dude but 1 point evy1s missing Italy 12th england 6th we should be beeting teams with ease rannked 6th above us on better day we had em easly fifa rankings bak dat up allso evy1 seems forget we had loads shoots dear goal 1st and 2nd half we easy took leed and i forgot took penltyes think gears ronney took 2 we picked better penlty takers muffed up us 2 missed penltyes dear fawlt regardless we better side Gerrard? Rooney? Terry? Cole? Carroll? didnt cole miss 1 are goal keeper been pretty nacckard not save 1 savved other goales 1sr 1st 94 mins u tell 2nd half 30 mins are team worn out best side won but we should still won ill be grrrrrrrrrrrrrr we rannked better Italy 4th july guessing team gb next footbull is team gb in groups is lose out hoooooooo mooooooo wufyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy yoo uppppppppppppppppppppppppppppp
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Post by ligerdog7 on Jun 25, 2012 17:39:09 GMT 1
i sayd before game started penltyes extra time who man gerrmney 2 kick itleys butt 5-1 now complex bit is do i keep bin england stuff bought keep it teeam gb footbull huhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh moooo ligers ollaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa wuffyyy ruffyy upppppppppppppppppppppppppppppp
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Post by Panda on Jun 25, 2012 18:39:34 GMT 1
i agree evything sayd dude but 1 point evy1s missing Italy 12th england 6th we should be beeting teams with ease rannked 6th above us on better day we had em easly fifa rankings bak dat up FIFA's rankings are pretty meaningless. Italy should be higher than 12th and we should probably be slightly lower than 6th. My version of the world rankings had Italy at 8 going into the tournament and England at 13.
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Post by Maximo Mark on Jun 25, 2012 19:45:09 GMT 1
Milner was ok tonight but overall was poor, ukraine he was murdered and other games anonymous at best, he wasnt our worst player but until today he was useless. young was our worst player, did you see him v ukraine? he kept asking cole where he should be standing and let them in atleast a dozen times, his forward play in the last 3 games has been awful, he has struggled to put one decent move per game, just cos he played well last year against nobodies dosent change the fact he was our worst player, closely followed by rooney. if rooney played the first 2 games we probably wouldn't have qualified, thats how poor he has been, bit like when he wanted to leave man u and played sh*t until he got 250k a week I didn't say he wasn't our worst player, I infact agreed, but to say he's not international quality when in the preceding two years he was our best and most consistent player is a bit of a bold statement to make. He would've been on the first team sheet of almost every manager in the game going into the tournament, though I'm sure some would've dropped him or taken him off more often.
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Post by Maximo Mark on Jun 25, 2012 19:46:41 GMT 1
Anyone else think that taking Welbeck off was a mistake? Was he knackered, he certainly did more than Carroll imo. And why didn't Carroll take a penalty? The Germans would have annilhated us as well, so better to lose graciously in the quarters, than slaughtered in the semis. I don't agree. I'm no fan of Carroll but I thought he did well when he came on, considering we'd mostly resorted to hoofing it long from about 60 minutes onwards. Overall, it as an OK tournament for us. It's clear that technically we're still a long way behind the top teams but Hodgson was never going to turn that around in 7 weeks. What he did do was create a spirit and resolve that was severely lacking under previous managers and that's what got us to the quarter-finals and it's a good base to start from as we start the re-building process again. Carroll did ok but it meant that all we played was long ball. Hart -> Carroll was our most played passing combination, that's dreadful anyway but when he only played for half the game it's beyond shambolic. Keeping Welbeck on might have meant we'd have kept the ball a bit better and had a bit of variation in our play.
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Post by Maximo Mark on Jun 25, 2012 19:48:25 GMT 1
Should have started with Carroll and Defoe up front. We had Milner on who CAN cross, so where was the big man? Italy have been poor at the back with crosses. Look at Croatia game! On other wing should have had Ox-Chamberlain for speed and direct running into the box to look at winning penalties. Poor tactics by the owl. Ashley Young is a much better crosser of the ball than Milner. He's averaged 12 PL assists over the previous 5 seasons, and contrary to popular belief they're not all from diving to win penalties.
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Post by o on Jun 25, 2012 20:17:41 GMT 1
But can he convert that into international level, at the moment, he's not made the step up from club football.
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Post by Panda on Jun 25, 2012 20:26:37 GMT 1
Six international goals in the last year and a half and being joint top scorer for England in qualifying suggests he has made the step up. He just underperformed in this tournament.
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Post by Maximo Mark on Jun 25, 2012 21:15:03 GMT 1
Yes, also most assists in the two years between tournaments, the two goals we scored in the pre-tournament games he got one goal and one assist.
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