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Post by ligerdog7 on Jun 25, 2012 22:11:28 GMT 1
i agree evything sayd dude but 1 point evy1s missing Italy 12th england 6th we should be beeting teams with ease rannked 6th above us on better day we had em easly fifa rankings bak dat up FIFA's rankings are pretty meaningless. Italy should be higher than 12th and we should probably be slightly lower than 6th. My version of the world rankings had Italy at 8 going into the tournament and England at 13. i see dude kool i agree all good wuzuppppppppppppppppppppp hoooo upppppppppppppppppppppppppp
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Post by raliverpool on Jun 25, 2012 23:03:49 GMT 1
The English Football press are a joke, the general comments are Roy Hodgson has restored pride to the English team. WTF?
The guy has no tactical awareness at all, stop Pirlo and deny the Italians most of their creative ability, but no Hodgson decided to give him freedom of the park. Whatever is said about Capello I cannot imagine that he would have been this naive and we definitely would have had more than one shot on target in 120 minutes of football.
Hodgson's style has always been effective when he has worked with poorer teams playing counter attacking football, but at the top level you have to be able to pressure teams, keep possession and pass accurately at the knock out phases of major tournaments.
It was shocking how bad we were, yet he is being told how well everyone played by the media.
For once I did not feel bad about losing on penalties as we quite simply did not deserve to win that game, Germany would have embarrassed us badly. Yes they slaughtered us in the World Cup but if we had gone in at half time at 2-2 that game could've been so different.
So far England have had under 50% possession in all six matches under Roy Hodgson - yet they had over 50% in all four games at the 2010 World Cup when they were so awful according to the British media.
When Roy Hodgson managed Liverpool, the Merseyside club had the majority of possession in just 3 of his 31 games in charge of the club. In the following 74 games at Liverpool under Kenny Dalglish Liverpool dominated possession in 61 of those 74 games.
Only Greece (38%) and Ireland (33%) averaged less possession in matches at Euro 2012 than England (39%).
Only Ukraine (2.3), Ireland (2.3) and Greece (2.0) averaged fewer shots on target per game at Euro 2012 than England (2.8).
In total against France and Italy at Euro 2012, England had just two shots on target, facing 15. Joe Hart made 22 saves at Euro 2012, five more than any other 'keeper so far (Shay Given 17).
Cristiano Ronaldo (30) has had more shots in his first four games at Euro 2012 than the entire England squad (29) had at the tournament.
Italy (20) had more shots on target in their quarter-final match than England (11) had in total in their four matches in Ukraine.
England had on average 39% of the possession in their four games, their lowest figure at a tournament since Euro 1980.
Ashley Young and James Milner put in 29 crosses in the four games. Only three reached an England team-mate.
England averaged 300 passes per match. The four semi-finalists have averaged 479.
England completed only 15 passes in the 15 minutes of the second period of extra-time against Italy.
Andrea Pirlo (115) had more passes against England than England's four starting midfielders had against Italy.
Mesut Ozil has created 18 chances in Germany's four games. Steven Gerrard, England's most prolific chance creator, made six.
England (86) have had the most tackles in the tournament, with Steven Gerrard's 18 the most of any player.
England (29) have blocked the most shots at Euro 2012, 17 more than Italy, 19 more than Germany, 21 more than Portugal and 24 more than Spain.
And most damningly England's most successful pass combination in the Quarter Final was between Joe Hart and Andy Carroll.
How anyone can use the word 'pride' in describing last night's game and our performance at Euro 2012 is beyond me. It was a complete embarrassment to English football and was largely due to the style of play imposed by Hodgson.
What has happened since November 2011 after qualifying for Euro 2012 with ease when we beat the World & European Champions 1-0 (Casillas, Ramos, Arbeloa, Piqué, Alba, Iniesta, Alonso, Silva, Xavi, Busquets, Villa) and we got up to #4 in the FIFA World rankings is nothing short of a disgrace.
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Post by Panda on Jun 25, 2012 23:07:47 GMT 1
yet they had over 50% in all four games at the 2010 World Cup when they were so awful according to the British media. Are you saying we weren't awful at the World Cup??
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Post by Maximo Mark on Jun 26, 2012 19:53:01 GMT 1
Some of those stats are ridiculous. Yes Italy had more shots in one game than we had in 4 matches, yet we scored five more goals with those shots than they did. We were worse at the World Cup, we may have had more possession and passed more but we had no more ideas than at Euro 2012, defended worse and scored less. I know which I'd prefer. And bringing the Spain friendly up is pathetic, we did that by defending with very little possession, and the Spanish lose most of their friendlies against decent nations, they even drew with Costa Rica four days later. Not to mention some are also wrong, first three places I checked say England had 52% possession vs. Sweden.
Roy Hodgson did not do a bad job, he didn't do a particularly good one either but then we were the 5th best team in the finals, won the group by a clear victory and were the only losing quarter finalist who didn't lose in 90 minutes, we're one of just three teams to keep more than one clean sheet, he did that whilst having the media on his back from day one, being interfered with by his bosses regarding Terry/Ferdinand, constant withdrawals with injury (Smalling, Walker, Cahill, Lampard, Barry and Ruddy joining Bent, Dawson, Rodwell, Huddlestone and Wilshere already on the sidelines), the suspension of his *star* player, the ridiculous decision to have the base in a different country to where all the games were to be played and with expectations as low as I've ever known them. He created a fantastic team spirit and got players playing for him as well as anyone could've in such a short space of time, particularly impressive given the potential for conflict, he managed to get the best out of certain players who traditionally under-perform for their country and let's not forget that England haven't gone further than this in a tournament not played in England for 22 years, or 10 tournaments ago. The results were the same as the likes of Capello and Eriksson managed with far more time, "better" squads and whilst earning a damn site more money.
In other words how on earth can anyone be dis-satisfied with not reaching the top 4 when the top 4 teams are all much better teams than England? That's not Hodgson's doing, that's just fact, and neither 'Arry or Capello would've changed that.
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Post by o on Jun 26, 2012 20:04:34 GMT 1
I'm sure the press will have the knives out for him soon enough, it's good to know they haven't yet. We get that you dont like Hodgson!
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Post by Shireblogger on Jun 27, 2012 9:36:23 GMT 1
Maximo Mark - your post above is brilliant. I agree with every word of it. Well said.
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Post by Razzle Dazzle on Jun 27, 2012 9:53:58 GMT 1
But he took over a very poor Liverpool and although undermined even before a ball was kicked he somehow didn't manage to win the league to continue Liverpools fine tradition of always winning the premiership title. king kenny came in to save the day spending 100m and amassing a record 49 points with 3 games to go, a whole 3 wins above the magic 40 point mark and safety was secured, what a guy. or maybe you just have an agenda against hodgson cos you dont like him, as mark says england did as expected and improved on the world cup shambles with a worse pool of players to choose from
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Post by ligerdog7 on Jun 27, 2012 21:38:39 GMT 1
grrrrrrrrrrrr spane needs lose i aggree allllen sheear i dont think england dat good but don ok ollaaaaaaaaaaaaa i want itley get spanking from germney mooo wuffyyyyyy rufff upppppppppppppppppppppppppppppp
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Post by Mart!n on Jun 27, 2012 21:39:56 GMT 1
Well... that was rubbish, too many yellow cards in the game, this referee needs shooting, overall crap game, Spain's worst performance hardly anything to comment on. The two free kicks from Ronaldo were off target.
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Post by ligerdog7 on Jun 27, 2012 21:43:26 GMT 1
rubish extra time penltyes kool i say c4 koolll obse trexes rawkssssssssssssss hollaaaaaaa wuffyyyyyyyyyyyy ruffyyyyyyy wouzupppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppp
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Post by o on Jun 27, 2012 21:43:57 GMT 1
Ronaldo has been utter sh*t, how many free kicks has he wasted tonight, people talk about rooney being poor, ronaldo has been tonight as well. I think the yellow cards were justified, interesting that it was always a different portuguese player each time.
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Post by Mart!n on Jun 27, 2012 22:28:55 GMT 1
Big HA to Ronaldo who didn't get a chance to take his shot :lol:
Spain deserved it in the end.
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Post by Panda on Jun 27, 2012 22:33:38 GMT 1
Portugal were probably slightly better over 90 minutes but Spain dominated extra-time.
Portugal managed to snuff Spain out for the most part but created even less than England did against Italy.
Glad Spain are through but I fancy Germany to beat them if they get past Italy.
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Post by Maximo Mark on Jun 27, 2012 22:39:43 GMT 1
First half was good, second fascinating if not particularly entertaining, extra-time was great, penalties... It could only have been better if they'd shown Ronaldo crying like usual!
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Post by Mart!n on Jun 27, 2012 22:41:11 GMT 1
I fancy Spain vs Germany final with Germany to win
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Post by Paddy on Jun 27, 2012 23:48:26 GMT 1
The ref sent Andrews off earlier in tournament for waving his hand... I thought he had GONE HOME! but the Spanish FA president is also the UEFA ref selection president... typical!
Anyway I left after 80 mins.
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Post by ligerdog7 on Jun 28, 2012 0:25:40 GMT 1
grrrrrrrrrrr twatting spane saccked hollaaaaaaa moo ligers wuffyyyyyyyy ligers wuzuppppppppppppppppppppppppp
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Post by Johnny on Jun 28, 2012 9:06:42 GMT 1
This is the most boring football tournament ever. England hasn't under-performed;they are always crap.
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Post by o on Jun 28, 2012 10:14:48 GMT 1
Portugal were probably slightly better over 90 minutes but Spain dominated extra-time. Portugal managed to snuff Spain out for the most part but created even less than England did against Italy. Glad Spain are through but I fancy Germany to beat them if they get past Italy. Totally agree with the part that Portugal stopped Spain playing, but they offered nothing going forward and so it made it a dull game. I think if the Germans nullify Spain, they will also create and attack. What the game needed last night was a Spanish goal to make Portugal chase the game and open it up.
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Post by Shireblogger on Jun 28, 2012 10:18:41 GMT 1
Delighted to see Ronaldo's face at the end. He'd clearly set himself up to take the glory kick.
I wonder if he has any friends ?
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