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Post by Razzle Dazzle on Jun 28, 2012 11:51:22 GMT 1
god knows why they sent up 2 defenders whilst ronaldo watched them miss
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Post by o on Jun 28, 2012 12:19:11 GMT 1
Delighted to see Ronaldo's face at the end. He'd clearly set himself up to take the glory kick. I wonder if he has any friends ? His right and his left hand, because he's such a banker?
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Post by ligerdog7 on Jun 28, 2012 15:25:42 GMT 1
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Post by ligerdog7 on Jun 28, 2012 19:10:26 GMT 1
com on germerny no extra time no penltyes grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr i dont miss blood and spartcus sand 10pm grrrrrrrrrrr hollllaaaaaaaaaa yoo mooooooooooooooooooooo] wuufyy ruufyyyyyyyyyyy uppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppp
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Post by Mart!n on Jun 28, 2012 20:35:14 GMT 1
Would you adam and eve it, Italy 2 up, necer expected that, they were the better team fantastic game to watch
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Post by o on Jun 28, 2012 20:35:45 GMT 1
Go Italy and Balotelli! The germans look shellshocked!
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Post by Razzle Dazzle on Jun 28, 2012 20:39:06 GMT 1
funny that germany put kroos on pirlo and they are still being destroyed. makes you appreciate how well england defended
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Post by Mart!n on Jun 28, 2012 20:47:51 GMT 1
The Germans have really played well into this tournament, they seem to be outnumbered by the Italians, Bartotelli scored 2 excellent goals, I wonder if the Germans come back with a couple of goals in the second half, surely they have to lift their game now.
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Post by Panda on Jun 28, 2012 20:52:38 GMT 1
funny that germany put kroos on pirlo and they are still being destroyed. makes you appreciate how well england defended
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Post by Mart!n on Jun 28, 2012 21:45:16 GMT 1
For a team that didn't qualify from their group in the World Cup 2 years ago, the Italians have really turned this competition upside down, for some reason I really expected Germany to win that. Italy seem to be the dark horse of the teams, they could go on to win it.
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Post by ligerdog7 on Jun 28, 2012 21:53:32 GMT 1
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Post by Arcadia on Jun 28, 2012 21:57:08 GMT 1
No-one defends like the Italians defend (in football)
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Post by Panda on Jun 28, 2012 21:58:53 GMT 1
Loads of sportsmen and women use it now. It's a tape that supports the muscles.
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Post by raliverpool on Jun 28, 2012 22:11:05 GMT 1
Four times in my life England have been half decent in tournaments. 82 where they matched Spain and Italy in the 1/4 finals for possession but could not break them down (2 x 0-0).
The other 3 times have seen us break away from 4-4-2. In 1990 Robson changed midway through to 5-3-2 and we looked much the better for it, with 2 markers and a sweeper.
In 96 we played a flat back 3 with full backs in the wide CB roles, Ince screening in front and Anderton/MacManaman giving the width. We kept the ball and played decent football at times especially v Holland and Germany, when we arguably were the best team in the tournament.
In 98 under Hoddle we played 5-3-2 with wing backs and Sheringham dropping off Shearer and again we looked like we had options in possession.
In this tournament Italy have switched from a back 3 v Spain, 4-4-2 v Ireland and a diamond v England. They are tactically astute and that is the biggest difference for me. England have played a pathetic and rigid 4-4-2, at best a 4-2-3-1 if we are trying to give any credit but zero fluidity.
This is not a great Italy side (but international football in general is going through a bit of a mediocre quality period compared to (as examples) Men's Tennis & F1), England could and should have given them tactical problems, match up the diamond and push Johnson and Cole on, play a back 3 or play 3 in centre mid in a 4-5-1 and let Henderson or Gerrard get about Pirlo.
Instead we drop off and let them have the ball. Brilliant, let's give good players the ball, that'll fool them. That match was a replica of Liverpool v Blackpool under Hodgson (which I had the misfortune of going to watch in the flesh) save that Pirlo is far better than Charlie Adam, however, Hodgson let Adam have the run of Anfield too, and he used it to greater effect than the Italian did on Sunday, when they were far more wasteful in front of goal than they were today.
No other side in this tournament have purely destructive players like Parker in midfield. Where England play Parker, Italy play Pirlo, Spain play Alonso, Germany play Schweinsteiger.
Hodgson is a Mike Bassett sham of a manager (who possesses a football ideology that became dated in the early 1990s "4-4-f***in'-2 with two banks of four behind the ball, lump the ball up to the big forward by-passing the midfield, etc) and he is the man who is leading the FA's revolution despite the fact he doesn't believe that possession is important - go figure.
Thankfully our WC qualifying group is so weak it would take something quite spectacularly inept to screw up qualifying from.
England have the players who possess enough quality to win at International level, because they have done it at club level, (and there are some great club academies in this country doing a great job that the FA should be doing) because England's level is a World Top 6-12 ranking side; and in Cup competitions that is easily good enough to stand a chance of winning a European Championship or World Cup.
PS. Delighted for Balotelli tonight, I love bonkers footballers, and he was at his brilliant best to destroy an off form Germany who were channelling Rafael Nadal (or vice versa) tonight.
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Post by Panda on Jun 28, 2012 22:13:00 GMT 1
Oh, give it a f***ing rest.
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Post by o on Jun 28, 2012 22:16:02 GMT 1
No-one defends like the Italians defend (in football) That was me logged in as Mel
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Post by Mart!n on Jun 28, 2012 22:21:40 GMT 1
No-one defends like the Italians defend (in football) That was me logged in as Mel Mel's account hacked
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Post by Maximo Mark on Jun 28, 2012 22:25:55 GMT 1
4 times in my life England have been half decent in tournaments. 82 where they matched Spain and Italy in the 1/4 finals for possession but could not break them down (2 x 0-0). The other 3 times have seen us break away from 4-4-2. In 1990 Robson changed midway through to 5-3-2 and we looked much the better for it, with 2 markers and a sweeper. In 96 we played a flat back 3 with full backs in the wide CB roles, Ince screening in front and Anderton/MacManaman giving the width. We kept the ball and played decent football at times especially v Holland and Germany. In 98 under Hoddle we played 5-3-2 with wing backs and Sheringham dropping off Shearer and again we looked like we had options in possession. In this tournament Italy have switched from a back 3 v Spain, 4-4-2 v Ireland and a diamond v England. They are tactically astute and that is the biggest difference for me. England have played a pathetic and rigid 4-4-2, at best a 4-2-3-1 if we are trying to give any credit but zero fluidity. This is not a great Italy side, England could and should have given them tactical problems, match up the diamond and push Johnson and Cole on, play a back 3 or play 3 in centre mid in a 4-5-1 and let Henderson or Gerrard get about Pirlo. Instead we drop off and let them have the ball. Brilliant, let's give good players the ball, that'll fool them. That match was a replica of Liverpool v Blackpool under Hodgson last year save that Pirlo is better than Charlie Adam, however, Hodgson let Adam have the run of Anfield too. No other side in this tournament have purely destructive players like Parker in midfield. Where England play Parker, Italy play Pirlo, Spain play Alonso, Germany play Schweinsteiger. Hodgson is a sham of a manager and he is the man who is leading the FA's revolution despite the fact he doesn't believe that possession is important - go figure. Who on earth would you play over Parker though? Wilshere, Barry, Lampard, Rodwell, Huddlestone etc. are all injured, Carrick and Scholes retired, Jones and Henderson were the other options in the squad. THIS IS NOT THE FAULT OF ROY HODGSON.
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Post by Razzle Dazzle on Jun 28, 2012 22:29:18 GMT 1
and would capello play parker....yes, so your point is?
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Post by Razzle Dazzle on Jun 28, 2012 22:36:47 GMT 1
and its funny how cassano looked 10 times the player than wayne rooney has every looked at international level despite having heart surgery and a mini stroke and suffered ischemic cerebral damage less than 9 month ago! it might help if rooney had a heart to start with...or a brain that matter
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